Should Mohawk Warriors Be Accorded Respect

[kengs333]

Oh...and you mean like this soldier who pissed his pants?

Lasagna and Soldier

Little boy misfits.

Well, Lasagna is dead as a result of his intemperate lifestyle. I'd say that a couple thousand members of the CF who have combat experience in Afghanistan could easily see the situation.

[Posit]

Well, Lasagna is dead as a result of his intemperate lifestyle. I'd say that a couple thousand members of the CF who have combat experience in Afghanistan could easily see the situation.

Yep. Bit some claim he was murdered by the SQ.

And I'm sure a lot of the the other soldiers saw his wet stain too.

[jennie]

I think if we had access to the police records of the three youths being sought by the OPP and the nine arrested the other day, we'd probably have a lot of reading to do. One of the nine I believe is still being held on an outstanding gun charge.

And then there's that turkey last year who was arrested for assault and turned into a "warrior" upon his release when his supporters planted some sort of feather hat on his head. He claimed not to have had any interest in SN issues up until then and apparently had a lengthy criminal record, the most recent charge being dv for beating the crap out of his partner.

Weapons charge, not gun ... it was a pair of brass knuckles, but that is not the person still in jail.

No it was not a lengthy criminal record.

Exaggeration, fearmongering, intentional lack of understanding, malicious gossip. Right up there on the propaganda scale!

Edited September 23, 2007 by jennie

[AngusThermopyle]

And you are qualified to make these judgments ... how?

Because what you have described here bears no resemblance to what I see, and I do see regularly.

I really don't think you have any knowledge at all about these things you spout off about.

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Actually, yes I do believe I'm qualified.

I think I've mentioned before that I served 20 years in the CAF, I retired 5 years ago. In my time I did 6 tours including Somalia, Yugo (before it became Bosnia/Hersegovina) and Rwanda. I earned 7 decorations and a commendation for "performance above and beyond the call of duty".

So do you think I might be slightly qualified?

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[jennie]

Actually, yes I do believe I'm qualified.

I think I've mentioned before that I served 20 years in the CAF, I retired 5 years ago. In my time I did 6 tours including Somalia, Yugo (before it became Bosnia/Hersegovina) and Rwanda. I earned 7 decorations and a commendation for "performance above and beyond the call of duty".

So do you think I might be slightly qualified?

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I don't think you understand the concept of aboriginal 'warriors', so I don't think you are qualified to judge.

[AngusThermopyle]

I don't think you understand the concept of aboriginal 'warriors', so I don't think you are qualified to judge.

I love your answers, they're so elusive and full of pervasive ignorance.

Heres a lesson for you. A warrior is a warrior. We fight. It doesn't matter if you are European, Chinese, Russian or any damn other nation. I've fought a few of them .

For you to say I'm unqualified is the ultimate in ignorant smug superiority.

Have you ever fought? No, I didn't think so. How can you in all good faith post such bullsh#t?

I guess in your books 20 years of service in all parts of the world and all sorts of conflicts makes me unqualified.

Right?

[capricorn]

I think I've mentioned before that I served 20 years in the CAF, I retired 5 years ago. In my time I did 6 tours including Somalia, Yugo (before it became Bosnia/Hersegovina) and Rwanda. I earned 7 decorations and a commendation for "performance above and beyond the call of duty".

So do you think I might be slightly qualified?

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Thank you for your service!

I think you are imminently qualified to comment on this matter.

[ScottSA]

I really think Jennie is a troll. Why else would someone continually put out purely indefensible and ignorant comments and then blithely skip away to start up on a different thread?

[AngusThermopyle]

Thank you for your service!

I think you are imminently qualified to comment on this matter.

Thank you.

However right now I'm eagerly awaiting Jennie's response to my question.

In her all encompassing and infinite wisdom of all things, she has just told me that I know nothing at all about what it means to be a "warrior".

I would beg to differ with her on that point

[Posit]

I love your answers, they're so elusive and full of pervasive ignorance.

Heres a lesson for you. A warrior is a warrior. We fight. It doesn't matter if you are European, Chinese, Russian or any damn other nation. I've fought a few of them .

For you to say I'm unqualified is the ultimate in ignorant smug superiority.

Have you ever fought? No, I didn't think so. How can you in all good faith post such bullsh#t?

I guess in your books 20 years of service in all parts of the world and all sorts of conflicts makes me unqualified.

Right?

Actually it fully explains your inept social skills in discussing this matter. Were you one of the misfits, did you join as a career soldier or did you flunk out of military college? I mean some of us officers used to call a 20 year service an "escape" from the real world.

Edited September 23, 2007 by Posit

[Posit]

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Edited September 23, 2007 by Posit

[AngusThermopyle]

I mean some of us officers used to call a 20 year service an "escape" from the real world.

That statement alone says so much.

How many tours did you do?.......... I thought as much.

Do you know what us common serving men referred to officers as?

It usually went along the lines of cowardly parasitic obstructionist #ucks. Our most common complaint was that we weren't allowed to do what we knew we should do.

Our Liberally commanded officers ensured we took the safe craven way. It galled us, we wanted to do our job.

So are you saying that you were one of those craven individuals? Or are you just saying that you feel superior to better men than yourself?

[ScottSA]

Actually it fully explains your inept social skills in discussing this matter. Were you one of the misfits, did you join as a career soldier or did you flunk out of military college? I mean some of us officers used to call a 20 year service an "escape" from the real world.

No officer would say that about his men. No officer would laugh at a kid constrained by discipline who peed his pants. You were no officer and if you claim to be you're a liar. Besides, you're too stupid to be an officer. That makes you a fool and a liar.

Edited September 23, 2007 by ScottSA

[Posit]

Our Liberally commanded officers ensured we took the safe craven way. It galled us, we wanted to do our job.

We got you home safely, allowing you to walk off the transports instead of the body bags that those who did their own thing came home in. We can't all be that bad considering who we had to work with......

Edited September 23, 2007 by Posit

[AngusThermopyle]

No officer would say that about his men.

I agree with you to a certain extent, what I would say is "no true officer".

Frankly I don't believe a word that Posit posts.

To put it in my native tongue (British), he's full of sh#t!

[AngusThermopyle]

We got you home safely,

Excuse me! You got me home safely?

Honestly I don't think you had anything whatsoever to do with Somalia or Yugo.

I don't think you "got me home safely" Actually I suspect that even if you were involved you most likely did your best to stay uninvolved.

Know what I mean? Nudge nudge, a wink is as good as a nudge.

[kengs333]

In case anyone's interested, there's a video of some Six Nations "warriors" at thespec.com in the Local section's Featured Multimedia.

[ScottSA]

We got you home safely, allowing you to walk off the transports instead of the body bags that those who did their own thing came home in. We can't all be that bad considering who we had to work with......

You are no more an officer than my 9 year old daughter. I know all about officers and you ain't one. In fact, you're scum for trying to pretend you're one.

[AngusThermopyle]

Posit appears to be every mans everything as it suits him.

So come on Posit. Defend those Mohawk thugs. Find some argument that will confer legitimacy upon the illegitimate.

Find some way to convince every one that they are a legitimate force worthy of respect.

[M.Dancer]

Exaggeration, fearmongering, intentional lack of understanding, malicious gossip. Right up there on the propaganda scale!

I thought you liked Posit?

[M.Dancer]

I don't think you understand the concept of aboriginal 'warriors', so I don't think you are qualified to judge.

Just because he isn't a criminal or a drunk or a tinfoil wearing moonbat doesn't mean he isn't qualified to judge thugs, criminals, drunks and moonbats.

[jennie]

Just because he isn't a criminal or a drunk or a tinfoil wearing moonbat doesn't mean he isn't qualified to judge thugs, criminals, drunks and moonbats.

I still maintain that to judge (warriors), one must have some idea of the meaning of 'warriors' in its cultural context. To judge it by another cultural context of 'warriors' does not make sense.

[Rue]

Again someone starts a post to justify the pretense of doing one thing-calling on people to hate. Only in this case we take the word "hate" and sweeten it up a bit and use the code word "respect".

Then of course we know who the target of the hate should be expressed against-aboriginal people, only in this case we use the term "Mohawk Warriors".

And as usual the same people come on this post and engage in disparaging remarks and what purpose does it achieve?

We already know who you are. Its always the same few who come on and disparage aboriginals. Then Jennie and Postit come on and try defend against what they see are hateful slurs and then what?

Other then repeat feelings of anger and hated what does it do?

So you think Mohawk Warriors are thugs, inhumane, mafia, animals, what-ever. So you demonize them. Now that they are demons, you feel you have the superior moral ground from which to hate them. So?

So lets then assume you are all right. Mohawk Warriors are sub-human. Now what? Do you want to lynch them?

Do you really think hating them and defining them as sub-humans will achieve anything?

What the hell is the matter with us when after all these years the only way we can associate with aboriginal peoples is to insult them and attack them and suggest they are sub-human?

Is that it? Have we progressed and evolved so little that this is the best we can do when dialoguing about issues with aboriginal peoples after all this years?

With due respect to all of you, I can understand specific legal arguements. I can understand why someone subjected to daily disputes would be angry. I understand that.

But for God's sakes do you think this will be settled by hating people?

I appeal to you to use more then anger and hatred when you dialogue because until you do, you are exactly that which you put down others for.

Edited September 24, 2007 by Rue

[AngusThermopyle]

Again someone starts a post to justify the pretense of doing one thing-calling on people to hate. Only in this case we take the word "hate" and sweeten it up a bit and use the code word "respect".

Then of course we know who the target of the hate should be expressed against-aboriginal people, only in this case we use the term "Mohawk Warriors".

Tell me Rue, how did you develop this astounding talent of yours? The ability to tell others what they actually mean.

If you knew the basis for my question then you would know it's valid. As a former"lifer" I have very strong views regarding respect and its application to other fighting forces. For instance I have respect for the British, American and Israeli fighting forces. They are potent forces and are worthy of respect from a military point of view. The Mohawks however are not a potent force. They lack discipline and have no concept of what a military person is. Therefore I do not find them worthy of the respect one military person accords another.

Of course since my views don't match yours you will retreat into your usual tirade of screaming racist at anyone with whom you disagree. Your little dog and pony show is becoming tedious, change the record please, we've heard this one way too many times.

Of course you could just state that you are fully versed in such matters and therefore no other person will ever be able to state a point you disagree with.

[AngusThermopyle]

So you think Mohawk Warriors are thugs, inhumane, mafia, animals, what-ever. So you demonize them. Now that they are demons, you feel you have the superior moral ground from which to hate them. So?

Ahhh! Once again you speak for my emotions and feelings when you don't have a clue what they actually are, how very astute of you. Amazing talent you have there.

Now you've had your little hissy fit I will state what I actually think. I do not hate the Mohawk Warrior Society, I scorn them as wanna-be's and posers. Actually I dont hate anyone, hatred is a very non productive and futile emotion, nothing more than a waste of time and energy.

Still, don't let the facts get in your way, that wouldn't be near as much fun as inventing emotions and motives to attribute to people now would it?