Can Canada not control the corporations? Isn't that called fascism

[jennie]

Op ed

Can Canada not control the corporations? Isn't that called fascism?

by *********, Canadians for Aboriginal Rights

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"We feel that this [injunction] places us at war," (Chief) Ms. Davis said.

"To come in here and force us out of here when we're standing on our Algonquin land puts us in a position of being at war."

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The Ardoch and Shabot Algonquins in eastern Ontario were approached by local landowners who found mining stakes on their land. The landowners and the Algonquins blockaded to keep the miners out. They are now all under injunction and facing imminent 'removal' by the OPP.

The Ardoch and Shabot Algonquins never surrendered anything to the Crown nor to Canada, land or sovereignty. Yet their sovereignty and their land have been repeatedly invaded by our society. Since Canada illegally 'assumed' ownership of their land, they are now illegally forced into Canada's great boondoggle called 'land claims'. As in all other land claims across the land, Canada is stalling that process to first extract every illegal penny they can from Algonquin land. The final disgraceful act of Canada's 'justice' apparently will be a hostile invasion of the Algonquin people to remove them from their own land and let the uranium miners in. This act of war against a sovereign people on their own land is currently being planned, possibly implemented at this moment, by the OPP.

It is clear that Canada's Mining Act has outlived its usefulness and is now an extremely destructive force to life in Canada. It is also clear that our governments make absolutely no effort to change the draconian elements of the act that allow the mining industry to 'seek and destroy' any piece of land they wish, regardless of whether it is the land you saved all your life to buy for your retirement or unceded Indigenous land. Our governments clearly kowtow only to the whims of the mining industry ... and it is all about the money, no doubt. Funny, I thought Canada was about the people!

The Algonquins and their neighbours are standing up against this imminent invasion of their land by Canadian forces.

WHERE ARE OUR GOVERNMENTS IN PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS AND ALLIES?

1) Gone fishin' ?.

2) Too busy with election issues ?

Wakeup call ... The fish are contaminated by corporations anyway and this IS your sole election issue, unless you do something about it quickly ... like suspend the mining rights until the land claim is resolved.

Canadians are getting the message loud and clear:

When your land and health and safety and the environment are threatened by corporate greed,

your government will not help you, but the Indigenous Nations will.

We are seeing a return to the early days of arrival of European settler ancestors when our survival depended on the help of the Indigenous people who shared their land, food, warmth and knowledge with us. Like the colonial era, the government operates to support the corporate interests, not the people, who must therefore seek support and protection against our own governments, because they are complicit with the corporations in the destruction of the earth and its people.

It is apparent now that democracy in Canada died a long time ago, if it ever was anything more than window dressing. Left in its place is rule by the corporate interests that give marching orders to our governments

... hey! ... Isn't that called ... FASCISM ??

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

It is unconscionable that our governments

* Do not honour the law of Crown treaties,

* Continually fail to carry out the Crown's lawful duty to consult with First Nations about activity on their land,

* Place citizens and their property at risk and in need of defense that is not provided by our governments

* Fail to resolve simple land claims quickly: If there was no surrender, there is no question whose land it is! How difficult is that?

* Remain silent, incommunicado, ignoring all of these issues and threats to the people they supposedly represent.

* Allow corporate interests to run roughshod over the citizens who elected the governments ... allow corporate interests to run the country, against the will of the people.

Hey! That IS Fascism!

Welcome to Canada, the Fascist state with a lot of pretty-sounding democratic laws and policies that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

This has not happened overnight with regime change. It has happened throughout our history. It has happened because we, the people, let it happen. We bent to the corporate will espoused by our elected leaders. It is now up to the people and our allies to depose the fascist regime: It is apparent that our governments are absolutely powerless to stop the juggernaut corporations that reap billion$ per day in resources from Canada ... correction ... from Indigenous land within Canada's borders.

'Elections' are a farce: One corporate puppet, another corporate puppet ... green puppets, red puppets, blue puppets, orange puppets ...a corporate puppet is a corporate puppet regardless of the colour of their lawn sign.

Instead, join an aboriginal blockade near you, folks. The anti-fascist revolution to save Canada is here, and our support is needed because our governments appear to be held for ransom by the corporations.

This is not a joke. The entire Ottawa valley and watershed, and into the St Lawrence are threatened by the uranium mining operation currently blockaded by the Algonquins north of Kingston. If you don't want your great grandchildren's two heads to glow in the dark, show your appreciation for Algonquins protecting of our well-being. (Contact Algonquin Co-Chief [email protected])

Our Indigenous allies are there for us ... again ... where our governments continue to fail us miserably, instead sending forces to attack those who struggle to save the land ... and us. The final insult, of course, is that we are paying the salaries of the attack forces and the governments that operate against our best interests. Not only that, but our federal government gave $3b in tax breaks to corporations for the current year ... and increased our personal income taxes by that amount to cover it.

Canadians are being hoodwinked into paying for their own loss of democratic freedoms, their own loss of property, and loss of environmental health and safety for us and all of our future generations. Now that's an 'admirable' government scam ... if you admire that kind of thing.

Edited August 30, 2007 by jennie

[M.Dancer]

Where exactly did this op-ed appear? It is badly written to the point of incoherentness.

The Ardoch and Shabot Algonquins in eastern Ontario were approached by local landowners who found mining stakes on their land. The landowners and the Algonquins blockaded to keep the miners out. They are now all under injunction and facing imminent 'removal' by the OPP

Is the blockade on their land? Di the landowners find the mining stakes on the landowners land or the Algonquin land?

Since Canada illegally 'assumed' ownership of their land, they are now illegally forced into Canada's great boondoggle called 'land claims'.

Canada hasn't illegally assumed anything.

So exactly, was this an op-ed or a letter to the editor?

[M.Dancer]

Doing a very quick backgrounder it seems the land in question may be Crown Land.

The disputed site involves mainly property considered to be Crown land by Ontario, which granted mineral rights to Frontenac Ventures.

The company launched a $77-million lawsuit against the Algonquins in July and is seeking a court order to remove protesters from the entrance to a site.

Court hearings took place two weeks ago but a judge has yet to make a ruling.

The Shabot Obaadjiwan First Nation is in land-claim negotiations with the federal and provincial governments regarding the disputed area.

And that the Algonquin don't want to go through the courts, prefering a fascist ruling.....

Two First Nations communities being sued for blocking potential uranium development at a site in eastern Ontario have told Premier Dalton McGuinty they are quitting the court process and won't leave the area even if ordered to do so by a judge.

Instead, the Ardoch and Shabot Obaadjiwan Algonquins say they want the government to intervene in the dispute between themselves and the mining exploration company Frontenac Ventures Corp.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007...ake-070815.html

[jennie]

Is the blockade on their land? Di the landowners find the mining stakes on the landowners land or the Algonquin land?

The blockade is on Algonquin land, but it is all Algonquin land anyway. The land'owners' know that. That is why they went to them for help when they found trees cut down and mining stakes on their 'own' property. They know that the Algonquins have aboriginal rights on their land, despite property deeds.

Canada hasn't illegally assumed anything.

Goodness!! Even the government has acknowledge illegally assuming ownership of aboriginal land, every time they settle a land claim in fact, and that's about 400 times, to date, that they have acknowledged that.

In the case of the Algonquins, it is crystal clear: They never surrendered land to the Crown. The Crown has no 'papers' whatsoever for that particular land.

[M.Dancer]

The blockade is on Algonquin land, but it is all Algonquin land anyway. The land'owners' know that. That is why they went to them for help when they found trees cut down and mining stakes on their 'own' property. They know that the Algonquins have aboriginal rights on their land, despite property deeds.

Goodness!! Even the government has acknowledge illegally assuming ownership of aboriginal land, every time they settle a land claim in fact, and that's about 400 times, to date, that they have acknowledged that.

In the case of the Algonquins, it is crystal clear: They never surrendered land to the Crown. The Crown has no 'papers' whatsoever for that particular land.

It's crown land. I suspect the "land'owners' know that and the issue is do they want a uranium mine in cottage country,

I'm sorry but would you mind sourcing a land claim ruling that says the land was taken illegally. I think you will have a hard time.

[M.Dancer]

By the way, the author, how do you pronounce *********?

[jennie]

Doing a very quick backgrounder it seems the land in question may be Crown Land.

And that the Algonquin don't want to go through the courts, prefering a fascist ruling.....

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007...ake-070815.html

The Crown 'assumed' ownership of the land by encroachment, but has no proof of ownership as the land was never surrendered as required by British/Canadian law.

The Algonquins are still sovereign, never having surrendered. They respect Canada's laws on Canadian territory, but not on their own territory.

[M.Dancer]

Are we supposed to take this seriously?

The company is trying to prevent the First Nations from blocking its efforts to drill for uranium north of Sharbot Lake, about 100 kilometres southwest of Ottawa. The chiefs say drilling would release uranium into water tables, which would be an affront to their obligation as Indians to protect the land.

What balderdash. I guess that's one reason the sabre tooth, mamooth and Giant Elk no longer walk the earth....the Indians killed them to protect the land........

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Columnist/article/247423

[jennie]

Are we supposed to take this seriously?

What balderdash. I guess that's one reason the sabre tooth, mamooth and Giant Elk no longer walk the earth....the Indians killed them to protect the land........

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Columnist/article/247423

That is pretty disrespectful of the spiritual beliefs of others.

I think Christianity is "balderdash" too, but I don't say so when people express their beliefs.

And regardless of how I feel about it, people are entitled to those beliefs ... freedom of religion and all that ... without harassment I believe. Your opinion does not change the truth of what they believe, of course.

The other issue that should not be ignored by Canadians is the extreme sensitivity of the headwaters area where this uranium drilling is proposed. Contamination will flow through the entire Ottawa watershed and the St Lawrence.

There are absolutely no environmental restrictions on the drilling at all. They drill right at the headwaters of a creek if they want to, releasing uranium into the water system where it will be ingested by millions of people. A miner will tell you uranium is not dangerous unless you eat it ... they fail to mention ingesting it in your drinking water.

[M.Dancer]

That is pretty disrespectful of the spiritual beliefs of others.

I think Christianity is "balderdash" too, but I don't say so when people express their beliefs.

And regardless of how I feel about it, people are entitled to those beliefs ... freedom of religion and all that ... without harassment I believe. Your opinion does not change the truth of what they believe, of course.

The other issue that should not be ignored by Canadians is the extreme sensitivity of the headwaters area where this uranium drilling is proposed. Contamination will flow through the entire Ottawa watershed and the St Lawrence.

There are absolutely no environmental restrictions on the drilling at all. They drill right at the headwaters of a creek if they want to, releasing uranium into the water system where it will be ingested by millions of people. A miner will tell you uranium is not dangerous unless you eat it ... they fail to mention ingesting it in your drinking water.

Tell you what, you show where traditional indian beliefs encompass an obligation as Indians to protect tha land and I will be the first to be amazed.....consideing indian beliefs tend to be what ever the flavour of the month is.....afterall, they no longer believe that eating your enemies liver is superdeedooper.....and I have never heard of someone filing a land grievance based on their christian beliefs.....

Now the environmental concerns are legitimate. Concern that the mining act is obsolete is legitimate. An indians obligation to protect the land is just propagandic hooey.

[jennie]

Tell you what, you show where traditional indian beliefs encompass an obligation as Indians to protect tha land and I will be the first to be amazed.....

Now the environmental concerns are legitimate. Concern that the mining act is obsolete is legitimate.

I am happy to do so, though I would ask in future that you avoid making generalized derogatory statements about First Nations people.

Here is an overview article:

Native Spiritualities and the Great Law Of Peace

By Barry Martin

Native spiritualities are based on a recognition that all natural things are interconnected. The land, Mother Earth, is given primacy. Indians value the community, in contrast to the culture of individualism or private property.

................cont'd............http://archive.peacemagazine.org/v04n6p06.htm

I heard a Mohawk medicine person speak recently about their understanding of the earth as a living thing. All of the elements under the ground, in their belief, are part of the life systems of the earth and should not be tampered with. For example, coal is the earth's liver that strains toxins just as ours does.

The earth's systems are being mightily interfered with by corporate greed, and we will be left with the environmental aftermath. One has to wonder where it will stop. Do corporations want the earth cleared of people? Or are we just considered unfortunate but necessary "collateral damage"?

Edited August 30, 2007 by jennie

[margrace]

Jennie not much use argueing with this guy he is a paid lobbiest with the Harper gov't and heaven only know who else. Now watch he will start calling me names.

[M.Dancer]

I am happy to do so, though I would ask in future that you avoid making generalized insulting statements about First Nations people since you appear to know very little about the topic and thus are not qualified to insult them.

I would love to meet someone who is qualified to insult them. I can assure you though, I am thouroughly qualified to poke fun at anyone, including tree hugging new age indians.

[M.Dancer]

Jennie not much use argueing with this guy he is a paid lobbiest with the Harper gov't and heaven only know who else. Now watch he will start calling me names.

Why call you names when everyone knows you are a liar.

[M.Dancer]

It is in the Constitution of the Haudenosaunee Six Nations:

I thought it was the Algonquin we were talking about, not the Iroquois.

[jennie]

I thought it was the Algonquin we were talking about, not the Iroquois.

(Sorry ... I was still editing out my anger at your ethnic slurs. Please see final post above.)

The question you raised was about the responsibility Indigenous people carry to protect the earth. I think I have addressed that.

A recent report:

August 30, 2007

Press Release

For Immediate Release:

Aboriginal Traditional Knowledge and Source Water Protection Final Report

http://www.chiefs-of-ontario.org/

Edited August 31, 2007 by jennie

[jennie]

Jennie not much use argueing with this guy he is a paid lobbiest with the Harper gov't and heaven only know who else. Now watch he will start calling me names.

Yes he did start calling you names.

OK. I will keep in mind that he is a closed mind.

Clearly his question was not sincere. I should have known, considering the slurs that accompanied it.

Thanks for the tip!

Always good to know who the trolls are on a new board!

I shall avoid him in the future unless he shows himself capable of respectful discourse.

[Posit]

It isn't widely known, but in that neck of the woods the Algonquin and the Mohawks are cousins. It just depends on who your mother happened to be. As well the Mohawk Territory borders the Algonquin Territory at Highway No. 7. In fact Sharbot Lake was founded by a Mohawk family.

[Posit]

dbl post

Edited August 30, 2007 by Posit

[fellowtraveller]

Can Canada not control the corporations? Isn't that called fascism?

Not sure what the premise of the article might possibly be, but the title is misleading.

In the most obvious example of fascism, Hitlers administration directed the great corporations of Germany to build on behalf of the state, but paid them market value for the goods. They were effectively under the control of the fascist regime.

A more recent example is what is developing in Chinas economy, which is starting to strongly resemble Germany in the late 1930s/early 40s, minus the war. For now.

So the fascist way is to control the corporations, not lose control of them.

[jennie]

Not sure what the premise of the article might possibly be, but the title is misleading.

In the most obvious example of fascism, Hitlers administration directed the great corporations of Germany to build on behalf of the state, but paid them market value for the goods. They were effectively under the control of the fascist regime.

A more recent example is what is developing in Chinas economy, which is starting to strongly resemble Germany in the late 1930s/early 40s, minus the war. For now.

So the fascist way is to control the corporations, not lose control of them.

Hmmm ... I think there is a debate in that ... but the label isn't really the topic of interest.

The issue is that it appears clear that Canada has totally lost control, as you say, of the corporations imo. That makes us very vulnerable to environmental destruction, I think.

[jefferiah]

Jennie not much use argueing with this guy he is a paid lobbiest with the Harper gov't and heaven only know who else. Now watch he will start calling me names.

Margrace? I did not "know" this. Do you really know this?

Edited August 31, 2007 by jefferiah

[jennie]

It's crown land. I suspect the "land'owners' know that and the issue is do they want a uranium mine in cottage country,

I'm sorry but would you mind sourcing a land claim ruling that says the land was taken illegally. I think you will have a hard time.

You are absolutely right about that, because of course Canada will stall as long as it can so obviously has not resolved this particular land dispute yet.

However, can you tell me, since the Algonquins have never surrendered the land, or themselves, never signed a treaty, never received a thing from the government, always operated their band by contributions from members ...

How could Canada have evidence of ownership of the land, if no transfer of anything ever took place?

[geoffrey]

There are absolutely no environmental restrictions on the drilling at all. They drill right at the headwaters of a creek if they want to, releasing uranium into the water system where it will be ingested by millions of people. A miner will tell you uranium is not dangerous unless you eat it ... they fail to mention ingesting it in your drinking water.

Have you ever worked on an exploration or construction project? Didn't think so. You know nothing of the regulatory hurdles it takes to build or develop anything in Canada, absolutely nothing.

Jennie not much use argueing with this guy he is a paid lobbiest with the Harper gov't and heaven only know who else. Now watch he will start calling me names.

You should really watch the libel margrace, your unfounded conspiracy theories are annoying at best. Do you have something to contribute or are you here to lay smear upon all those that have a different opinion than your worldview?

The issue is that it appears clear that Canada has totally lost control, as you say, of the corporations imo. That makes us very vulnerable to environmental destruction, I think.

Who is Canada and who are the corporations? Think about it and you'll realise they are the same people. Can you lose control over yourself?

However, can you tell me, since the Algonquins have never surrendered the land, or themselves, never signed a treaty, never received a thing from the government, always operated their band by contributions from members ...

The current owners never signed a treaty that allows the expropriation of the land either. Oh well. So much for them. Those with the superior DNA must take it over, give it all to the Indians. And who sounds like the facist?

How could Canada have evidence of ownership of the land, if no transfer of anything ever took place?

Well, I'd start by looking in the Land Registry and seeing who owns it, that's a start. How could the Indians have ownership if they don't have a documented transfer agreement from the creator of the Earth? Sheesh.

Edited August 31, 2007 by geoffrey

[fellowtraveller]

Hmmm ... I think there is a debate in that ... but the label isn't really the topic of interest.

The issue is that it appears clear that Canada has totally lost control, as you say, of the corporations imo. That makes us very vulnerable to environmental destruction, I think.

This is the second time, in a total of two discussions, that you've ascribed comments to me that I have not made.

I did not say or imply "that Canada has totally lost control, as you say, of the corporations imo". That is your opinion, not mine. Please refrain from doing it again.