Michael Bluth Posted September 6, 2007 Report Posted September 6, 2007 It's disgraceful. Disgraceful is the way the Liberals and NDP ferociously went after Morgan's appointment. The Liberals didn't want a terrible, to them, precedent set for whenever they end up in office again. The NDP were, as usual, duped by the Liberals. Too bad neither of them could really do what was in the best interest of the country. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted September 6, 2007 Author Report Posted September 6, 2007 Thats the thing with the Cons under Steve - if you don't play by my rules (never mind agreed-upon rules) we're going to take our toys and go home. Most of the main media has commented on the cronyism of the appointment. The National Post, Star, Globe and Mail have all raised their eyebrows at Harper's broken promise of not appointing political appointees to traditional foreign service jobs. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted September 6, 2007 Report Posted September 6, 2007 Yeah we all know how crazy the Irish are for potatoes.Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss... That's quite the sterotype. I guess only the Conservatives are accused of racism for lame jokes such as that. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Fortunata Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 (edited) Disgraceful is the way the Liberals and NDP ferociously went after Morgan's appointment.The Liberals didn't want a terrible, to them, precedent set for whenever they end up in office again. The NDP were, as usual, duped by the Liberals. Too bad neither of them could really do what was in the best interest of the country. Disrupting Parliament and parliamentary committees because the opposition parties don't bow down and kiss the feet of the Cons for being Cons is not in the interest of the country. Stalling procedures so they don't have to call witnesses that might disagree with their pov is not in the interests of the country. Walking out and deliberately making it look like others are the cause of it is childish and not democratic; I would go so far as to say that they are damn liars and is so not in any interests of this country. Stacking review committees? Patronage appointments? They aren't any different but all the shouting about it before shows what liars and hypocrites they really are. Any different than the Liberals. Nope, except they are better slight-of-hand-artists; just better cons. ....cleaned up as requested........hmmm, musta been reported. Mikey? Edited September 7, 2007 by Fortunata Quote
Shakeyhands Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 well thats why they need the majority Fortunata, then they can do whatever they want Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 Steve has proven himself a mean spirited horse's hiney and it is not in the best interests of this country. Hmmm, leaving a lot open for debate there. No the Prime Minister isn't that ignorant insult you say he has 'proven' himself to be. I thought the rules existed here for a reason.... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 what? not reported? Its funny this one way street. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 what? not reported? Its funny this one way street. Which one way street is that? How can you debate such a simplistic statement? No Stephen Harper isn't a mean-spirited horse's hiney. Yes he is. No he isn't. Any real interest in debate and I'm more than game. Alas shakey, you don't appear to have such an interest. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted September 7, 2007 Report Posted September 7, 2007 ok, point made. I will not debate that he isn't a horse's hiney with you. Apparently we all agree on that one anyway Now, back to this pesky patronage issue. Do you agree that it is simply a reward for Binns and that Harper has broken his word? I'm not interested in discussing binns merits or what the opposition party's did or didn't do. Its a simple question. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 Now, back to this pesky patronage issue. Do you agree that it is simply a reward for Binns and that Harper has broken his word? I'm not interested in discussing binns merits or what the opposition party's did or didn't do. Its a simple question. No I don't agree, because you are so patently wrong on this one. Binns is a solid choice for the jog. To ignore his qualifications is ridiculous. That is the central point. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 It's pure patronage, Harper said he wouldn't do it. You can't argue with that. Period. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
flaquisimo Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070830/...inns_ambassadorI'm not sure what the difference between the Tories appointing politicians to patronage jobs versus Liberals doing it. Idobbin, I applaud your comments. My professional life and my family were ruined by a patronage ambassador of Mulroney in Cameroon, as qualified as this Binn fellow... (Idobbin, you may distribute it ot all you merfis links). On the ocassion of Mulroney defaming Trudeau this week, I have sent the following press release that I hope will chill your bones. The Tory corruption is criminal, cynical and unlimited. Here goes my press release: PRESS RELEASE ON THE CORRUPTION OF MULRONEY. I present this press release in the form of an interview to allow latitude to all Media. The ultra reactionary-neo-fascist-corporate-media may call me and record an interview attacking my facts (902-448-7417), The democratic Press may call me to record a very searching interview, scrutinizing ferociously all the facts I expose in this written text, firmly defending the constitutional rights of Mulroney to democratic free speech in Canada. One or the other media will mark rating points over the CTV that intends to present a “documentary on the historical legacy of Mulroney” which, in my view is non-existent. This text is being emailed to all the Opposition Members in the House of Commons [except the bloc], (for them to distribute to their media contacts) and in a methodical manner to all the media online and newspapers, without attention to their political colors or their dependence on the present neo-fascist government of Harper. ------------- Q: You have contacted us to tell the Nation about an incident in Cameroon involving an Ambassador of Canada, who in your opinion was a corrupted patronage appointee of Mulroney. Is that so? A: Yes. I was in Cameroon between 1983 and 1988 under contract as permanent professor of Engineering in the University of Yaoundé. The coup-d’etat of 1985 against President Paul Biya a well respected democratic statesman that was preventing the intervention of colonial France. This artificial revolt happened by the French bribery of the Presidential Guard. The loyal Army contained the revolt in a few hours, all the members of the presidential guard landed in jail and facing firing squads and the French professors (most of them secret servicemen of France) either managed to escape to Paris with the help of their Embassy or were caught by the army and jailed to be tried by the military in a summary court martial. Q: What happened to you, professor? A: As a white man, I was confused for a French Secret Serviceman because I worked with French professor-secret-servicemen in the Faculty of Engineering. I and my wife took refugee in the Canadian Embassy where I was served an order of arrest by the Army that had taken complete control of the country. The Consul General of Canada in that Embassy was a career diplomat who negotiated with the soldiers and promised to release me under their command a few hours later, because they had the constitutional obligation to take out of Cameroon my wife against whom there was no claim by the interim military government. Q: The Embassy is territory of Canada and you should have been protected by the Consul and should have been helped to leave Cameroon with your wife. That is the constitution obligation of all Consulates of Canada in environments of violence, war, revolt or mutiny. Why not you? A: The Ambassador – a patronage chum of Mulroney – declared me with the elegance of neo-fascist parasites that I was a damned, stupid immigrant and that I should be kicked out of the Canadian Embassy; and I was…. My wife arrived to the shelter of her family in Madrid but soon enough when she heard that I was in prison in the dungeons of Cameroon fell into a nervous breakdown of which she has never recovered. Once kicked out of the Embassy, the soldiers guarding it arrested me and put me in jail, which was an enclosure with wired barriers on bare ground. There were no hygienic facilities and reptiles and insects crept all over it, under a sun-heat of over 40 degrees C. It was a dantesque enclosure that even today, 20years later, gives me regular nightmares. A: Can you give the name of that Ambassador. R: Yes I could, but this would become my word against his. No the records of the Consulate have this history precisely recorded and you and all journalists and politicians can obtain a copy through the access to information Act. That is irrefutable evidence, not an “I say he says game of empty words”… To save time, I suggest that we move on with this Machiavellian story of misfits, scoundrels and perjurers of the political environment of Mulroney… Once back in Canada in 1988 repatriated by a son of mine after three years kidnapping by Cameroon, I landed in Canada to live sheltered in the home of another son in Moncton, NB, without an iota of social services help… But that is a story that I will disclose in my testimony in the public legal enquiry that the Opposition will institute. The Bloc is an extinct party without a leader and the Opposition not counting the Bloc holds majority on Parliament. They can establish that commission of enquiry before the next electoral campaign. The highlights of the Canadian period of the ordeal of my family are the many lies, defamation and perjuries that a particular CSIS cop played in laying false and malicious charges against me for “menacing to kill Mulroney” and putting me in jail. The circus trial in the Provincial Court of Moncton was a misfired shot. A noble and fair judge saw through the fraud and did not give a 5 year sentence with release under surveillance of the CSIS but merely tapped my wrist with a peace bond for a year and my internship in a psychiatric residence to get assistance on a serious nervous breakdown (help that I needed badly). I will complete the litany of details of this part of our ordeal when I testify under oath in the public judiciary enquiry that must be called urgently. In the meantime, the record of that trial in Moncton is there as permanent official evidence of the veracity of my story. Also the records of the RCMP map the strategy of CSIS to trap me into a sanatorium of mentally alienated patients. I imagine that the next public legal inquiry will please Mr. Arar who is an admirable brave and gentle Canadian, and it would help to clear his name a little further from the eternal lies of the Bush war criminals. Let me add that I extend my sympathy to Justin Trudeau and all his family for the coward actions of Mulroney to insult the memory of an extinct Prime Minister who was by far the greatest statesman that Canada ever had. Because of the gravity of Mulroney’s affront to Canada and all Canadians, I challenge him to a debate on the veracity of my story in a town hall meeting. We will have only a moderator and all questions would come from the floor. I respectfully suggest that Justin Trudeau should do the same to put the coward of Mulroney in his place for good, and to clear the memory of his father from the stigma of a spineless, vane and arrogant political fraud. I thank this medium for the opportunity to speak up. Jorge Torrealba, Halifax, NS. [email protected] 902-448-7417 Quote
flaquisimo Posted September 8, 2007 Report Posted September 8, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070830/...inns_ambassadorI'm not sure what the difference between the Tories appointing politicians to patronage jobs versus Liberals doing it. Idobbin, I applaud your comments. My professional life and my family were ruined by a patronage ambassador of Mulroney in Cameroon, as qualified as this Binn fellow... (Idobbin, you may distribute it ot all you merfis links). On the ocassion of Mulroney defaming Trudeau this week, I have sent the following press release that I hope will chill your bones. The Tory corruption is criminal, cynical and unlimited. Here goes my press release: PRESS RELEASE ON THE CORRUPTION OF MULRONEY. I present this press release in the form of an interview to allow latitude to all Media. The ultra reactionary-neo-fascist-corporate-media may call me and record an interview attacking my facts (902-448-7417), The democratic Press may call me to record a very searching interview, scrutinizing ferociously all the facts I expose in this written text, firmly defending the constitutional rights of Mulroney to democratic free speech in Canada. One or the other media will mark rating points over the CTV that intends to present a “documentary on the historical legacy of Mulroney” which, in my view is non-existent. This text is being emailed to all the Opposition Members in the House of Commons [except the bloc], (for them to distribute to their media contacts) and in a methodical manner to all the media online and newspapers, without attention to their political colors or their dependence on the present neo-fascist government of Harper. ------------- Q: You have contacted us to tell the Nation about an incident in Cameroon involving an Ambassador of Canada, who in your opinion was a corrupted patronage appointee of Mulroney. Is that so? A: Yes. I was in Cameroon between 1983 and 1988 under contract as permanent professor of Engineering in the University of Yaoundé. The coup-d’etat of 1985 against President Paul Biya a well respected democratic statesman that was preventing the intervention of colonial France. This artificial revolt happened by the French bribery of the Presidential Guard. The loyal Army contained the revolt in a few hours, all the members of the presidential guard landed in jail and facing firing squads and the French professors (most of them secret servicemen of France) either managed to escape to Paris with the help of their Embassy or were caught by the army and jailed to be tried by the military in a summary court martial. Q: What happened to you, professor? A: As a white man, I was confused for a French Secret Serviceman because I worked with French professor-secret-servicemen in the Faculty of Engineering. I and my wife took refugee in the Canadian Embassy where I was served an order of arrest by the Army that had taken complete control of the country. The Consul General of Canada in that Embassy was a career diplomat who negotiated with the soldiers and promised to release me under their command a few hours later, because they had the constitutional obligation to take out of Cameroon my wife against whom there was no claim by the interim military government. Q: The Embassy is territory of Canada and you should have been protected by the Consul and should have been helped to leave Cameroon with your wife. That is the constitution obligation of all Consulates of Canada in environments of violence, war, revolt or mutiny. Why not you? A: The Ambassador – a patronage chum of Mulroney – declared me with the elegance of neo-fascist parasites that I was a damned, stupid immigrant and that I should be kicked out of the Canadian Embassy; and I was…. My wife arrived to the shelter of her family in Madrid but soon enough when she heard that I was in prison in the dungeons of Cameroon fell into a nervous breakdown of which she has never recovered. Once kicked out of the Embassy, the soldiers guarding it arrested me and put me in jail, which was an enclosure with wired barriers on bare ground. There were no hygienic facilities and reptiles and insects crept all over it, under a sun-heat of over 40 degrees C. It was a dantesque enclosure that even today, 20years later, gives me regular nightmares. A: Can you give the name of that Ambassador. R: Yes I could, but this would become my word against his. No the records of the Consulate have this history precisely recorded and you and all journalists and politicians can obtain a copy through the access to information Act. That is irrefutable evidence, not an “I say he says game of empty words”… To save time, I suggest that we move on with this Machiavellian story of misfits, scoundrels and perjurers of the political environment of Mulroney… Once back in Canada in 1988 repatriated by a son of mine after three years kidnapping by Cameroon, I landed in Canada to live sheltered in the home of another son in Moncton, NB, without an iota of social services help… But that is a story that I will disclose in my testimony in the public legal enquiry that the Opposition will institute. The Bloc is an extinct party without a leader and the Opposition not counting the Bloc holds majority on Parliament. They can establish that commission of enquiry before the next electoral campaign. The highlights of the Canadian period of the ordeal of my family are the many lies, defamation and perjuries that a particular CSIS cop played in laying false and malicious charges against me for “menacing to kill Mulroney” and putting me in jail. The circus trial in the Provincial Court of Moncton was a misfired shot. A noble and fair judge saw through the fraud and did not give a 5 year sentence with release under surveillance of the CSIS but merely tapped my wrist with a peace bond for a year and my internship in a psychiatric residence to get assistance on a serious nervous breakdown (help that I needed badly). I will complete the litany of details of this part of our ordeal when I testify under oath in the public judiciary enquiry that must be called urgently. In the meantime, the record of that trial in Moncton is there as permanent official evidence of the veracity of my story. Also the records of the RCMP map the strategy of CSIS to trap me into a sanatorium of mentally alienated patients. I imagine that the next public legal inquiry will please Mr. Arar who is an admirable brave and gentle Canadian, and it would help to clear his name a little further from the eternal lies of the Bush war criminals. Let me add that I extend my sympathy to Justin Trudeau and all his family for the coward actions of Mulroney to insult the memory of an extinct Prime Minister who was by far the greatest statesman that Canada ever had. Because of the gravity of Mulroney’s affront to Canada and all Canadians, I challenge him to a debate on the veracity of my story in a town hall meeting. We will have only a moderator and all questions would come from the floor. I respectfully suggest that Justin Trudeau should do the same to put the coward of Mulroney in his place for good, and to clear the memory of his father from the stigma of a spineless, vane and arrogant political fraud. I thank this medium for the opportunity to speak up. Jorge Torrealba, Halifax, NS. [email protected] 902-448-7417 Quote
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