Uno Hates The Jews

[KrustyKidd]

In this issue, a lot of people have been deciding whether or not the U.S. actually needs the U.N. I personally doubt that we do. However, many other countries may need to the U.S. to stick with the U.N. and use the power that it has there to try to stop some of these problems it has.

The UN has stopped being a useless crud bucket and actually crossed over into being a threat to world peace when it didn't have the nuts to back up its own resolutions. It forced the US to take the lead and oust that turd Saddam when all it would have taken was an UNMISTAKABLE message that the garbage he was pulling was not on. If the UN had done what it was supposed to do and ENFORCE it's own rulings then today the US would be $500 Billion to the good and hundreds of US soldiers would never have had to make the trip and die.

What's the point of rules when you don't plan on enforcing them? Not much. Matter of fact, they send a clear, stark message out to everybody: ah, duh, I wonder if I can get away with .... ah, duh, I probably can ...

Like has anybody ever heard the term "good fences make good nieghbors?" "Line in the sand?" "This is this" and so on? Clear, unmuddled rules! No hit and miss with policy, you know where you stand and temptation is removed from every clown looking for a loophole. You know loopholes, the ones that allow a dictator to flaunt tens of resolutions with the confidence that he has umpteen more chances if called on any of them? The kind that allow him to hide this but not that? Do that but only a little of this.

Nah, the UN is a liability to those of the world that would get stuff done. Those who don't like what the US is doing have only to do something themselves, like disarm Korea, find OBL and cause a massive outbreak of peaceaphilia throughout the globe, before the US does.

The UN is far from harmless in my books. It is the biggest threat to world peace today.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Debo,

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All of my posts thus far have been actually left, but also correct.

Not right ideologicaly, silly girl.

Right as in correct.

That was a little joke, perhaps too deep for those of shallow mind.

You must have stepped in a pile of dumb shit.

Of course no one person, or even nation can have 'the whole picture'. It is important to look at more than just one picture before acting, though, lest one become exactly like the Islamic fundamentalists we oppose.

"If zealotry be your motivation, let not ignorance be your guide". Me.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear KK,

If the UN had done what it was supposed to do and ENFORCE it's own rulings then today the US ....

The UN is pretty much powerless to enforce rulings. I left the end of your quote open because the world would be a different(and better) place if the UN did have the power to act as the World Police.

What's the point of rules when you don't plan on enforcing them? Not much.

Well said. Perhaps one day an impartial Police shall rule. The USA will never be 'impartial', though. Not as long as their god is Mammon.

[KrustyKidd]

LoniusFleaBag

The USA will never be 'impartial', though. Not as long as their god is Mammon.

Ya, the US is a regular Springer show. Like the following rogues gallery, all they want is cheap shopping at Wal Mart. To them, freedom and humanity is only a glib shtick.

America is a nation full of good fortune, with so much to be grateful for, but we are not spared from suffering. In every generation, the world has produced enemies of human freedom. They have attacked America because we are freedom's home and defender, and the commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time.

President Bush, 9/14/01

All men are created equal - Abe Lincoln

    "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Ich bin ein Berliner

We the people

"We must build a new world, a far better world -- one in which the eternal dignity of man is respected." -- Harry S. Truman (2/12)

"The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to thie endeavour will light our land and all who serve it, and the glow from that fire can truly light the world." -- John F. Kennedy (15/10)

"The truth is found when creatures are free to pursue it." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (9/10)

"We have always held to the hope, the beleif, the conviction that there is a better life, a better world, beyond the horizon." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (6/10)

Just wondering, scince the US and a select few seem to be the only ones carrying any weight, what makes you think they should be doing anything that is not in their interest? In your world does the University give out diplomas to people that never finish grade two? Do people that have no social skills get to go out with the prom queen? Does a man who has no skills, no experience, no motivation and no morals automatically get to become CEO of Dofasco?

Now I also have to ask you why. Why would America be expected to help a world that hates them? Myself, I would place my priorities with those that endanger me, those that blatently need my help and finally with those that ask for it. Under no circumstances would I do anything for somebody that hates me and has no intention of co-operating with me and even publicly works against me.

In all, I figure America has it right, for the right reasons.

One last thing Lonius. Merry Christmas to you and yours. I hope that it's a peaceful one and that your family is together.

Drew

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear KK,

Under no circumstances would I do anything for somebody that hates me and has no intention of co-operating with me and even publicly works against me.

The US gov't has no such moral compunction. When Satan took Jesus atop the mountain, he said "Worship me and all you see will be yours". "Get behind me, Satan" was Jesus' reply. The US would have said "Gimme gimme gimme".

While all of your quotes are (or were) true and noble, most of the authors must be rolling in their graves.

I say America USED to stand for those things. It was ONCE noble and just. The problem is that justice, equality, and freedom for all have been FORGOTTEN for the sake of the bottom line, which is money, or Mammon deified.

PS. thank you for the seasonal wishes, I extend the same hopes to you.

Steve

[Craig Read]

Sure Canada and France are much better than the US - they support and stand behind various despots and dictators. Canada's foreign policy is anti-Israel - this of course makes the French happy, and Canada - the lonely boy of international politics - is very happy to have a friend.

The people of Iraq were obviously better off under Hussein, silly us, i always thought destroying fascism which funded terror, threatened oil supplies, tortured people and weekly denounced democratic Israel stating that it should be expunged from the earth was a positive. I always maintained that defending Korea, destroying Communism and bringing freedom to 35 countries while guaranteeing the security of the North Atlantic Alliance was a noble initiative. Obviously this is incorrect. Communism is much better than freedom.

Silly me. I forgot to ask the French if they concur that winning various wars was okay.

The US spends more in total on foreign aid, UNO funding, NGO funding, private charity for international causes and sundry other do gooder projects than the rest of the world combined.

But you are right, the French did not agree to this, so it is bad.

What the world really needs is UNO socialist government, Kyoto, Mandates on how the Internet is used, and the destruction of free markets and individual initiative.

Maybe one day we can all prance around pyramidic structures chanting to RA and wearing festive clothing.

Then again the French would have to say it is okay. [scratching head]....when were the French elected emperors on earth exactly ???

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Mr. Read,

Sure Canada and France are much better than the US - they support and stand behind various despots and dictators.

Canada's list of supported dictators cannot hold a candle to the US'. The US funded only the most brutal dictators, the hardest iron fists. We should hang our heads in shame.

To refer to the nature of this thread, (which thus far I have been loathe to do) Anti-Semetism. Or anti Jew ("Semite" refers to both Arabs and Jews). The UN is not anti-jewish, nor anti-semite, merely anti-zionist. As am I.

I do not believe in the bible as a legal land-title, law making device, nor anything else beyond pseudo-history.

Israel claims Judea, Samaria and Gaza as "Yesha", promised to them by G-d himself.

I do not wish to see borders in this world decided in such a way. No more than borders and laws created by the Koran. I believe this is also (to a certain degree) the tack of the UNO. I cannot blame them for opposing religious doctrine that subjugates a people or their land based on archaic and dubious 'laws' such as the bible, the torah or talmud, the koran, or the teachings of Brigham Young.

[Morgan]

Fleabag,

1. You say that Canada can't hold a candle to the USA re: supporting brutal dictators??? ha, ha That's one of your funniest statements I've read so far, and let's be honest, flea, you've said some whoppers...

Pay attention. Canada under the stewardship of the good socialist, Jean Chretien, now genuflects to the UN everyday. In case you didn't hear this piece of information before, flea, 2/3 of the UN's general membership is comprised of brutal dictators. If making nice with UN slimeballs on a daily basis is not unflinching support of iron fisted thugs and autocrats, I don't know what is.

The under secretary to Kofi Annan is none other than Third World Philosopher King, a.k.a. Maurice Strong. Where do many brutal dictators build their palaces and starve their people but in the Third World, specifically Africa. And Maurice Strong is Paul Martin's mentor. Last I heard Paul Martin has parked his butt in the PMO.

Who do you think spoke up on Mugabe's behalf at a Commonwealth Conference a few years ago - "just give him one more chance, puhleaze" - but Jean Chretien. Who sent big bucks annually to that Communist thug in Cuba but Jean Chretien? Who was busting his buns to save Saddam's brutal rule just a few months ago but Jean Chretien? Who hustled his corrupt socialist bottom to N.Korea to stroke Kim Jung Il's sad little ego this past year when Bush cut off aid but Maurice Strong?

Canada should hang its head in shame, not the USA. At least the USA tries to do something about past errors in judgement, but not Canada. No way...its leaders have the audacity to feel smug about themselves.

2. You said:

The UN is not anti-jewish, nor anti-semite, merely anti-zionist. As am I.

Oh, that makes you pure as driven snow does it?

"Not anti-Jew, just anti-Zionist."

Oh yes...and maybe...not anti-Israel, just anti-Sharon, Israel's duly elected PM. Not anti-suicide bombers, just anti-Mossad that force suicide bombers to blow up civilians when they run out of rocks. Not anti-Israel, just anti- O.T. that gives Jews some credence to exist as a state in the Holy Land. Not anti-Jew just pro-Uncle Arafat.Not anti-Jews, just anti-settlers who happen to live on land won as the fruits of war.

You don't want history to play any part in nationhood. No siree. Just contemporary fair division by those nice upstanding thugs of the UN.

In fact, let's just throw traditional religions out the window and declare Maurice Strong and Kofi Annan as our New Age Gods.

I get it. You are very clear.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Morgan,

In fact, let's just throw traditional religions out the window

Now you are getting it. I grow weary of large-browed superstitious neanderthals dictating world policy.

You don't want history to play any part in nationhood.

Getting closer! We stand upright now, and can formulate ideals never thought of before. Some still prefer the value of the biggest club, however.

Not anti-Jew just pro-Uncle Arafat.Not anti-Jews, just anti-settlers who happen to live on land won as the fruits of war.

Pro-Arafat? Don't think so. Not sure where you made that tremendous leap.

Could it be that those who oppose one philosophy do not automatically support the opposite? Could it be that there is more than two ways of looking at things? Perhaps I subscribe to neither the west' nor the east's view, but the correct view?

[KrustyKidd]

Canada's list of supported dictators cannot hold a candle to the US'. The US funded only the most brutal dictators, the hardest iron fists. We should hang our heads in shame.

Name a place that does or has not done business with America. Name a place that does not hoard US currency. Name a place that does not have an American made item in it's pocession. A place that has not asked America for something or offered it something.

Two thirds of the world is dictatorship ruled. Why is it such a revalation to you that America does business with dictators? It's like if you lived in China Town and never did business with an Oriental. You really got to get off this dictatorship shtick. In case you havn't noticed, America is in the process of fixing some of it's past mistakes. Guys like you and your new buddy John should be waving an American flag for all the right stuff they're doing now.

[udawg]

Craig, Krusty, I supported the invasion of Iraq, and I still think the US will do a better job of governing that country than Hussein ever could. Not to mention bringing a little stability to a part of the world that could use more of it.

No arguments that Hussein was a brutal ruler, with no regard for human values, rights, or even life. No arguments that he needed to be removed from power, even without UN backing. Which would have been, of course, entirely ceremonial. Because the US only uses the UN as political leverage... look guys, the UN says it's okay...

The United States has a long history of only doing as the United Nations decides as long as what the UN decides falls in line with US policy. The reason the UN is entirely useless today is because the member nations made it that way. If the nations of the UN actually abided by UN rules; followed the policy laid out by international...if not concensus, at least majority; the UN would actually have some global credibility, and you might see further participation by nations other than the US.

The UN has long been viewed by the majority of the world as a lapdog of the USA...which it is. The United Nations has no credibility in the third world, in the middle east, or in any country outside the western world, because those nations and regions have no say in the UN. When the US or any other major western power can veto any bill coming through the UN, it completely nullifies the purpose of the UN. The western countries don't always agree, but that only serves to increase the number of issues in which a veto-power country might wish to use that power.

This leaves all the little, second-rate countries of the world, who, to my understanding, were supposed to benefit from the formation of the UN, wondering how the hell the UN is different from NATO or NORAD or even the G8. They have little opportunity to present their views, and even less actual power when it comes to real decision-making time.

And you wonder why nobody respects the UN.

Craig Read Posted on Dec 28 2003, 11:09 AM

Then again the French would have to say it is okay. [scratching head]....when were the French elected emperors on earth exactly ???

The same could be said of the States...

[Craig Read]

Socialism, centralisation and perverted economics which dominates the EU and the UN has no place in countries with agendas that demarcate freedom and responsibility and fair economics.

Go see Lord of the Rings - best movie in years and one reason why is the MESSAGE. [yes content still rules, sorry we don't need penis jokes, gratuitous sex, silicone bodies, thongs and Brittany or Beyonce showing off her body to enjoy entertainment.] There are things in life that are not relative, equal, the same, and there are issues in life worth fighting and dying for. This is Tolkein's message - men act like men, not social liberals preening themselves that nothing matters. This is historical hooey. History has been a struggle of freedom vs. centralisation in its various guises.

The EU and the UNO are on the WRONG side of history. They want social and economic coercion, centralisation, blood sucking tax levels and political management for political benefit of all affairs.

We spent as a race, a long time fighting against this darkness.

No point in stopping now.

The US is the only force for good in the world, supported by Spain, the UK, Australia, Japan and the Ukraine and Poland.

The rest of the world are just a bunch of whiners and parasites.

[udawg]

The US is the only force for good in the world, supported by Spain, the UK, Australia, Japan and the Ukraine and Poland.

The rest of the world are just a bunch of whiners and parasites.

Wow, you sure do sound like my good friend, Dubbya. Maybe the reason that human history is plagued by violence and warfare is exactly what you call the "right side of history"... decentralization, etc. etc.

The Roman Empire, if I recall, was one of the most peaceful times in history for your average citizen. Centralization... taxes... economic coersion... mainstays of the Roman Empire.

[KrustyKidd]

Wow, you sure do sound like my good friend, Dubbya. Maybe the reason that human history is plagued by violence and warfare is exactly what you call the "right side of history"... decentralization, etc. etc.

History is plaqued by violence because the powerful try to enslave the weak, not free them to persue their own destiny. Big difference. Unless of course you view an unemployed starving person being given a job and a chance to raise a family free from fear as the same thing as rape, torture, dictatorship and death.