Tories lose terrorist vote

[ScottSA]

'Premature' to seek Khadr's return home: Tories

CanWest News Service

Published: Friday, June 15, 2007

OTTAWA -- The Harper government says it is "premature and speculative" to consider bringing home accused terrorist Omar Khadr from the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/sto...49-0758bc13461f

[B. Max]

Why would we want to bring him here.

[madmax]

Why would we want to bring him here.

Austrailian and British Governments have demanded that detainees of their countries be returned and the US government has complied. Many of these people chose to join the Taliban/Pakistani Muj, on their own accord.

Khadr was born in Canada, and unfortuneately like the rest of this Brothers and Sisters, heavily influenced by his fathers misguided decision to blurr the line between Islamic Humanitarian Aid and directly supporting Terrorist causes in the name of Islam.

Young Khadr was a kid then for S(*Ts sake. That doesn't change the activities he participated in, and it doesn't lessen the fact that as he shot and killed, so was he shot and captured, while others he was with had been ambushed and killed. He is now 20 years old IIRC and I have every reason to believe the treatment at Guantanamo has been ineffective and counter productive to a situation that wasn't good to begin with.

At 20 years of Age he isn't the boy he was. But he is a Canadian Citizen, and my guess is that the weakness of our Prime Ministers, have allowed an impressionable boy to have missed a opportunity to right a wrong done to him by his father, that neither he or many in his family can understand.

Yeah, Harper can be tough and say, yup kid, you need to stay there till you rot. You terrorist you.

I have reason to believe that there could be a great possibility he could be ready to rejoin a group and pick up arms again.

But I also have reason to believe that had our government intercepted this young boy early on, grown a set of balls and stuck up for the chance to help him and find out whats going on in his head, there is good reason to believe that the possibility of success would be greater then keeping a kid in a questionable military prison.

You two guys can take great pleasure in kicking this kid, but I have to wonder, how long is the US going to keep him. What is going to happen if Guantanamo is shut down, and just what if the US releases him, and since you say not here then WHERE???

You are probably stupid enough to say Pakistan.

They will take good care of him!!!!

Idiots.

You know, there are many things to consider in regards to repatriating Khadr. This is good reason to believe in such a request being premature. But quite frankly, if the US chose to send him here, we would have to deal with the problems immediately. So, they better get off there butts and get ready for such a possibility.

But it has nothing to do with ScottSA retarded Title.

[capricorn]

It will never happen, but this is one issue I would like to see a poll conducted among Canadians. There are two diametrically opposed opinions among Canadians. One is that Khadr is a Canadian citizen therefore the Canadian government should be doing everything it can to have him released into Canadian custody. This view is reinforced since murder charges against him were dropped on a technicality. Blame US incompetence for this one. What we would do with him if he was returned to Canada, well, who knows. The other opinion is that Khadr is an undesirable who should remain in Guantanamo and be put on trial by US authorities; the government should not intervene, other than to ensure he is treated humanely while in US custody.

Here is a case where the government simply can't win. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Walking a tightrope, so to say.

I think Khadr's hate for the west has intensified since his incarceration in Guantanamo. His own father was killed by the US military. He is on record as saying he is more committed now than ever to the cause. If for some reason he is set free, I don't relish the thought of having him on the loose, anywhere. He also has a supportive family waiting for him in this country whose matriarch advocates turning her sons into martyrs (read suicide bombers). Someone will eventually pay the price for what he and his family have been put through. The question is, who might that be?

[jdobbin]

Austrailian and British Governments have demanded that detainees of their countries be returned and the US government has complied. Many of these people chose to join the Taliban/Pakistani Muj, on their own accord.

I think under Canadian law, Khadr can actually be charged for crimes whereas the U.S. has already indicated that it cannot.

[madmax]

It will never happen, but this is one issue I would like to see a poll conducted among Canadians. There are two diametrically opposed opinions among Canadians. One is that Khadr is a Canadian citizen therefore the Canadian government should be doing everything it can to have him released into Canadian custody. This

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I don't relish the thought of having him on the loose, anywhere. He also has a supportive family waiting for him in this country whose matriarch advocates turning her sons into martyrs (read suicide bombers). Someone will eventually pay the price for what he and his family have been put through. The question is, who might that be?

Very good post. Hard to believe we were writing at the same time. I share your concerns above.

[capricorn]

Madmax, I follow you. In this case, I believe the damage done to Omar Khadr due to his long incarceration is irreversible and there is no turning back now to "save" him, so to speak. Unfortunate.

This is not a problem due solely to our present government. He has been in Guantanamo for some 5 years. All we can hope is that politicians learned their lesson and will know what to do when similar cases arise in the future. You can be sure there will be others. We are in uncharted territory.

[madmax]

I think under Canadian law, Khadr can actually be charged for crimes whereas the U.S. has already indicated that it cannot.

That may be correct. But I have to wonder, about the charge, and the age of the offender and the jurisdiction.

I am no lawyer of anykind, and I can't see something coming of this. If the US were successful in convicting him, then there would have been possibility of transfer to a Canadian Prison.

Now, with everything up in the air, it does leave alot of serious questions to be addressed.

[Leafless]

I think under Canadian law, Khadr can actually be charged for crimes whereas the U.S. has already indicated that it cannot.

Why should Canada get involved with U.S. prisoners?

It is the same old socialist Liberal vote buying crowd that had refused to ban the Tamil Tigers as a terrorist organization.

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/4494

The Liberals are a political party that should be banned in Canada.

[Fortunata]

It would be far easier to monitor and keep track of his activities should he be released to Canada than it would be if he were released to Pakistan. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer as the old adage goes.

[Figleaf]

The other opinion is that Khadr is an undesirable who should remain in Guantanamo and be put on trial by US authorities; the government should not intervene, other than to ensure he is treated humanely while in US custody.

If we have an interest in seeing him treated humanely, how would we draw the line that allows him to be incarcerated (at age 15) without trial?

I think Khadr's hate for the west has intensified since his incarceration in Guantanamo. His own father was killed by the US military. He is on record as saying he is more committed now than ever to the cause. If for some reason he is set free, I don't relish the thought of having him on the loose, anywhere. He also has a supportive family waiting for him in this country whose matriarch advocates turning her sons into martyrs (read suicide bombers). Someone will eventually pay the price for what he and his family have been put through. The question is, who might that be?

I always thought we lived in a free society, where a person's opinions, no matter what, were permitted. And we only punished someone for their actions and only when those actions were wrongful. So far, Khadr is accused of killing someone in a firefight. The rights and wrongs of that alleged action, in a criminal justice sense, are anything but clear. When he is released, I see no reason to treat him any differently from other Canadian citizens -- judge him by his deeds, he's entitled to his opinions.

[jdobbin]

Why should Canada get involved with U.S. prisoners?

It is the same old socialist Liberal vote buying crowd that had refused to ban the Tamil Tigers as a terrorist organization.

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/4494

The Liberals are a political party that should be banned in Canada.

It was the Tories that had a Tamil run in the last election who was supportive of the Tamil organization that was declared a terrorist organization.

Would you like the Tories banned too or are you just being provocative?

Canada is involved any time a Canadian citizen is held prisoners in another country. Khadr can actually be charged and sentenced in Canada for activities in Afghanistan.

[ScottSA]

judge him by his deeds, he's entitled to his opinions.

And Canada is entitled to pick and choose who lives here, in spite of radical handwringing leftists who believe it is a "human right." Presumably you wouldn't invite AIDS viri into your body on the basis that it has a "right" to equal treatment, so why would we want to let him, OR his family, for that matter to remain here? Why should Canada lift a finger to help this traitor?

[jbg]

Why would we want to bring him here.

To gain the benefit of his unique multicultural contribution to Canada.

[jdobbin]

To gain the benefit of his unique multicultural contribution to Canada.

How about to charge him under the law which the U.S. seems incapable of doing?

[Leafless]

Why should Canada get involved with U.S. prisoners?

It is the same old socialist Liberal vote buying crowd that had refused to ban the Tamil Tigers as a terrorist organization.

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/4494

The Liberals are a political party that should be banned in Canada.

It was the Tories that had a Tamil run in the last election who was supportive of the Tamil organization that was declared a terrorist organization.

Would you like the Tories banned too or are you just being provocative?

Canada is involved any time a Canadian citizen is held prisoners in another country. Khadr can actually be charged and sentenced in Canada for activities in Afghanistan.

It was the Conservatives who banned the Tamil tigers as a terrorist organization NOT the Liberals.

The Conservatives do not support terrorist organizations like the corrupt traitor Liberals did who were supportive of the Tamil Tigers in Canada.

I have no idea why the Khadr family is still allowed to remain in Canada and offer no support for Omar Khadr who is in U.S. custody.

Politics in Canada is known to be dysfunctional and this could be the reason for irrational political behavior.

Harper is pretty well being forced to look into the Khadr affair but I highly doubt the Conservatives will be instrumental in returning Khadr to Canada.

If Khadr is returned to Canada makes another good reason not to vote or participate in our twisted political system.

[jbg]

If Khadr is returned to Canada makes another good reason not to vote or participate in our twisted political system.

Not voting is never an answer. Non-voters by definition get the government they deserve.

Remember, the Jews are disproportionately powerful for various reasons, the main one being that they turn out to the polls in high numbers.

[madmax]

judge him by his deeds, he's entitled to his opinions.

And Canada is entitled to pick and choose who lives here,

Are you saying that someone born in Canada can be deported to another country even if they have no citizenship in any other country. There is no country willing to take him in, and the citizen doesn't wish to leave in the first place?

Pick and choose your way through that.

[Leafless]

Not voting is never an answer. Non-voters by definition get the government they deserve.

I would say Canadian politics is driven by outright corruption to the point of dysfunctionability.

The government I will get, whether I vote or not will be unacceptably corrupt

Remember, the Jews are disproportionately powerful for various reasons, the main one being that they turn out to the polls in high numbers.

Now your being funny.

The Jewish population of Canada is 364,000.

How a population this size can influence anything is a joke, but perhaps healthy political contributions can have somewhat of an impact.

You know as well as I do Jews are a close knit society and manipulate Western society to a large degree with 75% control of Hollywood and 80% of the media, both television and print.

Jews also support left wing causes: racial integration, civil rights, open borders, none White immigration, anti-racism (White racism), feminism, abortion on demand, gay rights and anti-euthanasia for the severely disabled.

All of this could be seen as an effort to wrestle power from the Whites and control Western society.

[jdobbin]

It was the Conservatives who banned the Tamil tigers as a terrorist organization NOT the Liberals.

The Conservatives do not support terrorist organizations like the corrupt traitor Liberals did who were supportive of the Tamil Tigers in Canada.

And yet the Tories recruited and ran a Tamil in the very least election. That Tamil supported the Tamil organization that was banned. How do you reconcile that?

[Leafless]

It was the Conservatives who banned the Tamil tigers as a terrorist organization NOT the Liberals.

The Conservatives do not support terrorist organizations like the corrupt traitor Liberals did who were supportive of the Tamil Tigers in Canada.

And yet the Tories recruited and ran a Tamil in the very least election. That Tamil supported the Tamil organization that was banned. How do you reconcile that?

Tamil's population is 200,000 in the GTA and the Conservatives after banning the terrorist organization can run a Tamil in the interest of the Conservative party.

Harper does not support terrorist organization period and if that Tamil publicly supported the Tamil organization, the Conservatives do not.

This is the second time you have made this claim with citing the actual article.

Can you cite that article or story since their is more to it then you are claiming.

[jdobbin]

Tamil's population is 200,000 in the GTA and the Conservatives after banning the terrorist organization can run a Tamil in the interest of the Conservative party.

Harper does not support terrorist organization period and if that Tamil publicly supported the Tamil organization, the Conservatives do not.

This is the second time you have made this claim with citing the actual article.

Can you cite that article or story since their is more to it then you are claiming.

I have cited it many times but here you go:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...0fd33a2&k=28254

Vincent Veerasuntharam, a Tamil businessman from Toronto who ran unsuccessfully as a Tory candidate in the January election, said the Tamil community "is quite confused and disappointed'' by the terrorist designation.

Tamils want Canada to assist the peace negotiations, he said, and are also concerned about the impact the terrorist designation may have on their ability to see their extended families in their homeland.

"They're Canadians first, law-abiding citizens, hard-working people, paying their taxes, raising families,'' Veerasuntharam told The Canadian Press.

"But they have a lot of families left there (in Sri Lanka). They just want justice and peace for their folks.''

The former Liberal government barred the Tigers from raising cash in Canada, but Liberals stopped short of formally declaring it a terrorist organization or outlawing membership in the group.

An internal Tory e-mail during the election campaign revealed the Conservatives were attempting to keep their promised Tiger ban out of the media for fear of alienating Tamil voters.

Why did the Tories keep their intentions to themselves about Tamils and yet run a Tamil in the last election who supported the Tamil organization?

Why the answer of course is that Harper supported a terrorist organization as long as it helped him win the election. Or at least that is how you would have interpreted it if the Liberals had done such a thing.

[Leafless]

Tamil's population is 200,000 in the GTA and the Conservatives after banning the terrorist organization can run a Tamil in the interest of the Conservative party.

Harper does not support terrorist organization period and if that Tamil publicly supported the Tamil organization, the Conservatives do not.

This is the second time you have made this claim with citing the actual article.

Can you cite that article or story since their is more to it then you are claiming.

I have cited it many times but here you go:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...0fd33a2&k=28254

Vincent Veerasuntharam, a Tamil businessman from Toronto who ran unsuccessfully as a Tory candidate in the January election, said the Tamil community "is quite confused and disappointed'' by the terrorist designation.

Tamils want Canada to assist the peace negotiations, he said, and are also concerned about the impact the terrorist designation may have on their ability to see their extended families in their homeland.

"They're Canadians first, law-abiding citizens, hard-working people, paying their taxes, raising families,'' Veerasuntharam told The Canadian Press.

"But they have a lot of families left there (in Sri Lanka). They just want justice and peace for their folks.''

The former Liberal government barred the Tigers from raising cash in Canada, but Liberals stopped short of formally declaring it a terrorist organization or outlawing membership in the group.

An internal Tory e-mail during the election campaign revealed the Conservatives were attempting to keep their promised Tiger ban out of the media for fear of alienating Tamil voters.

Why did the Tories keep their intentions to themselves about Tamils and yet run a Tamil in the last election who supported the Tamil organization?

Why the answer of course is that Harper supported a terrorist organization as long as it helped him win the election. Or at least that is how you would have interpreted it if the Liberals had done such a thing.

I want you to cite the article concerning the Tamil candidate making his controversial statement.

The article you provided is concerning the original Conservative banning of the terrorist organization the 'Tamil Tigers' and has nothing to do with the Tamil Conservative candidate making his controversial statement along with the Conservative response to that statement.

[Guest chilipeppers]

The organization was labelled terrorist after the guy ran. If the party had stepped in forbidding him to run they would have been called racist, there was not a whole lot they could do on that score.

[Canuck E Stan]

Why did the Tories keep their intentions to themselves about Tamils and yet run a Tamil in the last election who supported the Tamil organization?

Why the answer of course is that Harper supported a terrorist organization as long as it helped him win the election. Or at least that is how you would have interpreted it if the Liberals had done such a thing.

Conservatives put out fire over Tamil comments Jan.20 2006

The Conservatives and their foreign affairs critic Stockwell Day have long argued that Canada should place the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or LTTE, on its list of banned terrorist entities, in keeping with a recommendation from the national spy service.

But with the world's largest Tamil expatriate community centred in the GTA, successive Liberal governments have refused to tackle the issue for obvious electoral reasons.

I think your got it arse-backwards.