madmax Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Posted June 19, 2007 I'm going to wait to hear the party platforms before I make up my mind who to vote for.First off the mark, McGuinty promises to spend $17B for transit in Ontario. Next? It comes with a pony and a personalized McGuinty Promise Guarrantee good for 4 years or until the election campaign is over. Quote
Mulroney Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Pay raise aside, McGuingty did what he had to do after the Harris/Eves experiment. The province is in better standing fiscally post McGuinty. I have no issues voting for him again. I regularly hear this sentiment that McGunity's inherited a mess caused solely by Mike Harris and Ernie Eves. The inference behind this statement is that it took a Liberal to fix their problems and Ontario should not go back to a Conservative like John Tory unless we would like a repeat of the 1995-2003 period. Now, I am not a great fan of either Harris or Eves. However, the poor state of affairs in Ontario prior to McGunity's ascension is connected to the Bob Rae days too. So if you bring up the past you should do so fairly. You can't simply marginalise John Tory by stating the sins of the past are completely the fault of the Harris/Eves Tories. The truth of the matter (and the reason why he should be booted out of office) is that McGuinty has no record of accoplishments upon which to build a platform this autumn. So in lieu of any vision, he is rehashing his old plans such as shutting down the coal plants (orginally scheduled for closure in 2007) and lobbying Ottawa to fix the fiscal imbalance which sees us pay out $26B more to Confederation than we get back. This second point is of crucial importance because the fiscal imbalance means we are truly cash strapped from funding our own infrastructure projects and plan for our future. Take a look at the state of the roads in downtown Toronto for instance or the lack of a comprehensive Transit Plan for the GTA. In short, he has not advocated Ontarians best interests by lobbying either Paul Martin or Stephen Harper in any meaningful way. His acts like a lame duck. I expect my Premier to fight for his constituents. In the final assessment, McGuinty has accomplished little during his tenure while instead, he raised taxes thereby increasing the financial burden on all families regardless of their income bracket. He is a tax and spend Liberal who has not further Ontario's cause in any meanigful way. And now he is using our money to buy votes. Quote
madmax Posted June 23, 2007 Author Report Posted June 23, 2007 And now he is using our money to buy votes. I agree with that. They called off working and decided it's time to get a jump on the campaign. I think it is easy to go around and offer ridings money, especially when it's their money. Total feel good exercise. I believe that in many ridings this tactic is effective. Quote
Topaz Posted June 24, 2007 Report Posted June 24, 2007 I have just one question, does that mean all the people voting for Tory will NOT vote for Harper because of the promises that he has broken???? Quote
capricorn Posted June 24, 2007 Report Posted June 24, 2007 Just like all the Newfoundlanders who would have voted for Harper will not because he lied to them. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Mulroney Posted July 1, 2007 Report Posted July 1, 2007 I have just one question, does that mean all the people voting for Tory will NOT vote for Harper because of the promises that he has broken???? I see your point. My answer is it will depend upon whether or not someone who voted for Harper in 2006 believes that he has broken his promises. For instance, when I look back at the Federal Tory platform I voted for in '06 (http://www.conservative.ca/media/20060113-Platform.pdf) I note that Harper has accomplished something across all of its 5 points: Accoutability - Finally, an Act of Parliament which sets us on a course toward making Ottawa reveal what it is doing with our democracy and our hard earned tax dollars. Obviously the Accountability Act is a direct response to the Sponsorship scandal and the inference that had such an Act been in place in the late '90's, the Chretien government would not have been able to so easily manipulate the system for their own political gain. But its real long-term value to Canadians is it will move us away from just blindly trusting that Ottawa knows best without applying any scrutiny. And in our system where huge majorities (i.e. Chretien; Mulroney) are possible from time to time, an Accountability Act will give even a weak Opposition the tools to look into dark crevices. Tax relief - I can think of several ways in which Stephen Harper has lowered taxes. Security - From creating harsher penalties for a host of crimes - which I believe most Canadians agree the Chretien/Martin Liberals were too soft on (remember the guy in Vancouver who claimed his Charter Rights would be infringed upon if he couldn't keep child ponography?) - to reviewing the gun registry (again, instead of just blindly trusting in its effectiveness), to securing our borders and trying to work closely with our American allies. Families - The $100 a month per child tax credit is designed to accomplish two things: 1) To stimie the Liberal/NDP/BQ plan for another expensive and typically unaccountable social program (i.e. Universal Daycare) and, 2) To provide yet another tax break to all Canadian households who on average earn $59,000/year and could use $1200/year or more depending upon the number of kids at home. Communties - This section of their platform deals with infrastructure and the environment which is the weakest area of their accomplishments to-date. But the Clean Air Act and the public transit reimbursement program are good offerings regardless. I live in Toronto and gave up my car last November for a subway pass. The reaility of the environment issue is that government can only do so much in the short term. To think of a comprehensive environmental plan which addresses either the deep challenges of changing industrial standards quickly, or building a national public transit policy or the economic impact or the lack of concern for this file from growing economies such as China, India and Russia - to name a few hurdles - means that much of the short-term gains on the environment depend upon personal responsibility rather that an expectation of a silver-bullet government program. And personal responsibility is a cornerstone of Conservate political thought. Canada - Fixing the fiscal imbalance and strengthening Canada's federalism are two sides of the same coin. The old system of transfer payments which Harper would like to fix keeps the Provinces beholden to Ottawa while perpetuating that power vaccuum which sees Ontario and Quebec hold all the cards. Harper's plan is to get the money out of Ottawa and into the hands of all Provinces as step #1 toward decentralizing Canada in a way that will positively impact our country in the 21st century across the areas of: our economy; our social values; our culture; and our long sought after national identity. In other words, if we give the Provinces power by giving them the capital to weild that power, we will see all areas of Canada stand on their own two feet, grow into what they are good at and raise their regional idenity which in turn will enhance our national identity. Quote
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