Keepitsimple Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 Kyoto Targets Must be met by 2008 - not 2012. This is still not common knowledge and it's driving me absolutely crazy. All this talk about meeting our Kyoto targets by 2012 is nonsense. According to the Kyoto agreement that the Liberals signed, we have to meet our targets by 2008! Kyoto requires that we achieve our targets as an average for the period 2008-2012. If we are now 30% over our target (which we are), we have to reduce our emissions by that amount by 2008. If we don't, we have to cut deeper and deeper in the following years to achieve our target average for the period. I blame the Conservatives for not clearly communicating the pure folly of trying to meet these targets in one year. But more infuriating is the opposition who have introduced Bill C30 and are trying to force the Conservatives to meet these targets. Here's a supporting excerpt from the CBC's FAQ on Kyoto: Kyoto sets out an agenda for reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 5.2 per cent from 1990 levels (although "economies in transition," like Russia, can pick different base years). Some reports say the lower target is to be met by 2010. But that's shorthand for the actual target date, which is to achieve those emission cuts over a five-year average (2008 to 2012). Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kyoto/index.html#s4 Quote Back to Basics
B. Max Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 Kyoto Targets Must be met by 2008 - not 2012. Why wait for 2008. Do it tomorow. Quote
stignasty Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 I blame the Conservatives for not clearly communicating the pure folly of trying to meet these targets in one year. It's in the best interest of the Conservatives to be misleading on this - at least until they get re-elected with a majority. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
scribblet Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 I blame the Conservatives for not clearly communicating the pure folly of trying to meet these targets in one year. It's in the best interest of the Conservatives to be misleading on this - at least until they get re-elected with a majority. The who misleading on this, how about the Liberals who got us into it in the first place then did nothing about it. Environmentalists' 'fraud' A union leader of all people backs Tories' green plan -- and takes Gore and Suzuki to task By JOE WARMINGTON http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/...144261-sun.html Buzz Hargrove agreeing with the Conservatives and the Conservatives agreeing with Buzz Hargrove? Maybe there is something funny with the environment after all. But Buzz and the Tories think the only thing that's funny is with the crazy so-called environmentalists' ravenous quest for pushing Global Warming Doom -- all at the cost of the Canadian economy. "Everybody is chasing this new idol called the environment without any thought of how we got here," the CAW president said yesterday. "I am not buying the argument myself." But he does believe tens of thousands of jobs will be lost if the movement continues at this pace. "I think people have to recognize this problem is serious," he said. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Keepitsimple Posted May 2, 2007 Author Report Posted May 2, 2007 I didn't want this to become another eco-bashing post. I just wanted to make sure people realized what our "targets" really were and how rediculous it is for us to even think that we can come close to meeting them - no matter what we do. Quote Back to Basics
stignasty Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 The who misleading on this, how about the Liberals who got us into it in the first place then did nothing about it. Not the point. If the Conservatives want a majority they're going to have to do well in Ontario. If they were to start trumpeting that Kyoto targets would be met in a year rather than 4, do you think their support would rise? I'm just saying that they're better off politically keeping this quiet while they're in a minority situation and an election could be called at any time. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
scribblet Posted May 2, 2007 Report Posted May 2, 2007 The who misleading on this, how about the Liberals who got us into it in the first place then did nothing about it. Not the point. If the Conservatives want a majority they're going to have to do well in Ontario. If they were to start trumpeting that Kyoto targets would be met in a year rather than 4, do you think their support would rise? I'm just saying that they're better off politically keeping this quiet while they're in a minority situation and an election could be called at any time. True, I still don't think its a ballot issue. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
geoffrey Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 2008? Im sorry but I'd leave Canada tomorrow if that were the plan. I value my employment and lifestyle too much. We'd actually have to close 35% of our industry tomorrow to even have a chance at Kyoto over the next 9 months. I'm not going to be there for the fallout. Sillyness. Rationality has to win out of idealistic nonsense, I'm hoping the Conservatives will stick to their later, more reasonable, goals. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Slavik44 Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 2008? Im sorry but I'd leave Canada tomorrow if that were the plan. I value my employment and lifestyle too much. We'd actually have to close 35% of our industry tomorrow to even have a chance at Kyoto over the next 9 months. I'm not going to be there for the fallout.Sillyness. Rationality has to win out of idealistic nonsense, I'm hoping the Conservatives will stick to their later, more reasonable, goals. On the otherhand if Quebec seperated from Canada in the next nine months, our emmissions would drop substantially....there is always a solution. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
Hydraboss Posted May 3, 2007 Report Posted May 3, 2007 On the otherhand if Quebec seperated from Canada in the next nine months, our emmissions would drop substantially....there is always a solution. Would they drop enough for us to meet Kyoto? All hail Kyoto!!! We should most certainly be meeting these targets. By tomorrow. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Keepitsimple Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Posted May 3, 2007 On the otherhand if Quebec seperated from Canada in the next nine months, our emmissions would drop substantially....there is always a solution. Would they drop enough for us to meet Kyoto? All hail Kyoto!!! We should most certainly be meeting these targets. By tomorrow. There are times when I'm tempted to agree but the truth is that Quebec is in pretty good shape on emissions because they have a lot of clean Hydro power. They are not Coal and Oil producers.....but maybe if they separated, there wouldn't be as much hot air going back and forth and it would help cool off Global Warming - oops - Climate Change. Quote Back to Basics
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