Question for any police or prosecutors...

[guyser]

No you gave facts. I dont want to dance with you.

Put up or shut up....it really is easy.

You don't know the difference between a point of view and a fact?

You have no point of view to contradict mine. So the ball is in your court... You are the one that is shut up with your foot in your mouth.

What is your contrary point of view? If you have any?

I do have a contrary viewpoint. I think you like to stir things up with far fetched notions, you like to ramp up small things to overblown proportions.

Hows that for starters?

How about some facts to back up your assertions that every lawyer is a crook, every judge is in it for the money , how our jails are filled with innocent people--ok that one is true if you talk to the jailed but then again they would have as much credibility as ...umm.....er....

All I am asking is the info which leads you to make statements like you do.

Is it that hard?

[Figleaf]

I say wrongful convictions are numberless in Canada because they keep on coming up. We are not hearing of any end to them and we don't know how many more there are. We do know that since only murder cases have gotten attention so far, it's a virtual certainty that among people convicted for other offences there are innocents as well.

Do you know the actual number of wrongful conviction's in the 90's?

How can I number the numberless?

[sideshow]

Quote from Mrs.Hughes (noted that she/he is banned)

"Well yes. It has been proven many times that a police officer has planted evidence on order to arrest an innocent person. The officer in many cases has been caught and charged and convicted himself. Do a google search on it.It's there

There have been many cases where, when the authorities have been under public pressure to make an arrest in a case going no where, have framed an innocent person just to please the press and the public. Most times it is an 'indian' or a hippy looking person or an ex con framed.( in the States it is normally a coloured person)You know the type? They make sure they take the worst looking mug shot of the person, then release the picture to the press.

And of course many of these people cannot afford a decent lawyer and are convicted.

Everyone is now happy, except of course the innocent person sitting in jail. Unless of course if he hasn't been executed.

Here's a good one for you sideshow"

Proven? Show the proof. Obviously there are a few bad eggs. But generalizing the courts and the law enforcement officers is like saying all "indians" or "people of colour" are thieves or criminals because you see a story on the news about one arrested. Its simply wrong.

As a whole, I believe people go to work and do their jobs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[beatenwoman2005]

And I'm called a troll... this poll is an insult to police officers all across Canada.

And I'm called a troll... this poll is an insult to police officers all across Canada.

In contrast to the prosecutors?

BTW, how do you explain the various and diverse wrongful convictions, the frequent jailing of innocent people, the repeated, seemingly endless parade of victims of unjust verdicts? Cripes, I can't even name them all anymore. And that's just the murder convictions! Imagine how many poor sods must be doing time for lesser wrongful convictions! Probably 20-50% of the guys in prisons are actually innocent.

I would like to let the person know who has written this poll, I too have gone through something SERIOUS, polcie officers almost killed me. The prosecution department decided to try and protect the police officers, and in doing so they have almost killed me. The bottom line is this....

YES OFFICERS SCREW UP

YES ATTORNEYS SCREW UP

YES, THEY DO INFACT CREATE VICTIMS

The worst part is there is no ACCOUNTABILITY unless a person has money to go after them and SUE. There are next to 0 Pro-bono lawyers to deal with situations like this in Canada, why? BEACUSE TIME IS MONEY... A LIFE IS WORTH NOTHING in some people's eyes if they know you do not have a massive income.

I am hoping to shed light and STOP this Crap from happening with what I am going to come forward with over the next few months.

FOR ALL YOU BAD OFFICERS OUT there and BAD crown Attorney's out there you will be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for your actions. GUESS WHAT....... SOMEONE has decided to take a stand and hold you ACCOUNTABLE

[Canadian Blue]

I would like to let the person know who has written this poll, I too have gone through something SERIOUS, polcie officers almost killed me. The prosecution department decided to try and protect the police officers, and in doing so they have almost killed me. The bottom line is this....

Serious accusations bordering on slander.

FOR ALL YOU BAD OFFICERS OUT there and BAD crown Attorney's out there you will be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for your actions. GUESS WHAT....... SOMEONE has decided to take a stand and hold you ACCOUNTABLE

It later turns out that it wasn't really the Police Officers' and Attorney's fault, they were simply using the system given to them by the government. I wouldn't be surprised if their hands were tied on a matter and they couldn't do much, sure it sucks but its not their fault. I find that people will always blame the Social Worker if a foster care child is beaten, always blame a nurse for the long waiting list, and will always find the most convenient person to blame in any desperate situation. The truth is that most people in high stress jobs have alot to deal with, and its no surprise that their overworked and have way too much paperwork to deal with. Thats life, and unfortunately it sometimes sucks.

[beatenwoman2005]

Serious accusations bordering on slander.

I make NO ACCUSATIONS, I am dealing with FACT of a situation that happened to ME and you will all know it SOON.

The system says that you are in charge of dealing with people, because of that your dealing with individuals that deal with trauma and upset. If officers and CROWNS do not know what they are doing, they need to be DISMISSED, or PUT THROUGH some form of training again.

The system screws up and there are no SUPPORTS out there for VICTIMS.

How many OFFICERS BECOME "NUMB"when they come in and out of situations, how many make a JUDGEMENT CALL based upon their experience...

I would like to REMIND you all; that EVERY human being is different, EVERY SITUATION is a UNIQUE experience to each individual. Most officers look at situations, and think "EH I KNOW THIS SYMPTOM, I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, I AM GOING TO DEAL WITH IT THIS WAY". From that way of thinking that is how they MAKE MISTAKES.

They make their own judgment calls without EXAMINING HISTORY, or for that matter they make take their own personal situation (family, friend, etc...) and base the judgment call consciously because of it.

[ScottSA]

Serious accusations bordering on slander.

I make NO ACCUSATIONS, I am dealing with FACT of a situation that happened to ME and you will all know it SOON.

The system says that you are in charge of dealing with people, because of that your dealing with individuals that deal with trauma and upset. If officers and CROWNS do not know what they are doing, they need to be DISMISSED, or PUT THROUGH some form of training again.

The system screws up and there are no SUPPORTS out there for VICTIMS.

How many OFFICERS BECOME "NUMB"when they come in and out of situations, how many make a JUDGEMENT CALL based upon their experience...

I would like to REMIND you all; that EVERY human being is different, EVERY SITUATION is a UNIQUE experience to each individual. Most officers look at situations, and think "EH I KNOW THIS SYMPTOM, I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, I AM GOING TO DEAL WITH IT THIS WAY". From that way of thinking that is how they MAKE MISTAKES.

They make their own judgment calls without EXAMINING HISTORY, or for that matter they make take their own personal situation (family, friend, etc...) and base the judgment call consciously because of it.

What are you talking about? Is this is a sermon, a manifesto, or just a bellow of rage?

[ScottSA]

I say wrongful convictions are numberless in Canada because they keep on coming up. We are not hearing of any end to them and we don't know how many more there are. We do know that since only murder cases have gotten attention so far, it's a virtual certainty that among people convicted for other offences there are innocents as well.

Do you know the actual number of wrongful conviction's in the 90's?

How can I number the numberless?

Yup, pretty funny Figgy. This is an 'oops' moment though. How many innocents are in jail? Hundreds? Maybe thousands? Are as many as half of all convictions 'wrongful'? Is this a widespread epidemic in the justice system? In reality, you have no idea many convicts are innocents, and no way of finding out, and you have no idea if this is even an issue, so you just made up an issue.

[beatenwoman2005]

This is a BELLOW of rage, I am DISGUSTED with the justice system. The lame EXCUSES of Crown's, the LAME excuses of POLICE departments, I am sick of it.

They ruin LIVES and they SERVE no time, how on earth is that fair once they have JUDGED an INNOCENT person without EVIDENCE?

I would like to point out to all the people on this site who think they have big brains that THE UNITED NATIONS has GUIDE lines that CANADA agreed to and the justice departments though CANADA do NOT apply....

Particularly this INTERNATIONAL LAW...... FOR ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT….

Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials

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Adopted by General Assembly resolution 34/169 of 17 December 1979

Article 1

Law enforcement officials shall at all times fulfil the duty imposed upon them by law, by serving the community and by protecting all persons against illegal acts, consistent with the high degree of responsibility required by their profession.

Commentary :

( a ) The term "law enforcement officials", includes all officers of the law, whether appointed or elected, who exercise police powers, especially the powers of arrest or detention.

( b ) In countries where police powers are exercised by military authorities, whether uniformed or not, or by State security forces, the definition of law enforcement officials shall be regarded as including officers of such services.

( c ) Service to the community is intended to include particularly the rendition of services of assistance to those members of the community who by reason of personal, economic, social or other emergencies are in need of immediate aid.

( d ) This provision is intended to cover not only all violent, predatory and harmful acts, but extends to the full range of prohibitions under penal statutes. It extends to conduct by persons not capable of incurring criminal liability.

Article 2

In the performance of their duty, law enforcement officials shall respect and protect human dignity and maintain and uphold the human rights of all persons.

Commentary :

( a ) The human rights in question are identified and protected by national and international law. Among the relevant international instruments are the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid , the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

( b ) National commentaries to this provision should indicate regional or national provisions identifying and protecting these rights.

Article 3

Law enforcement officials may use force only when strictly necessary and to the extent required for the performance of their duty.

Commentary :

( a ) This provision emphasizes that the use of force by law enforcement officials should be exceptional; while it implies that law enforcement officials may be authorized to use force as is reasonably necessary under the circumstances for the prevention of crime or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders, no force going beyond that may be used.

( b ) National law ordinarily restricts the use of force by law enforcement officials in accordance with a principle of proportionality. It is to be understood that such national principles of proportionality are to be respected in the interpretation of this provision. In no case should this provision be interpreted to authorize the use of force which is disproportionate to the legitimate objective to be achieved.

( c ) The use of firearms is considered an extreme measure. Every effort should be made to exclude the use of firearms, especially against children. In general, firearms should not be used except when a suspected offender offers armed resistance or otherwise jeopardizes the lives of others and less extreme measures are not sufficient to restrain or apprehend the suspected offender. In every instance in which a firearm is discharged, a report should be made promptly to the competent authorities.

Article 4

Matters of a confidential nature in the possession of law enforcement officials shall be kept confidential, unless the performance of duty or the needs of justice strictly require otherwise.

Commentary :

By the nature of their duties, law enforcement officials obtain information which may relate to private lives or be potentially harmful to the interests, and especially the reputation, of others. Great care should be exercised in safeguarding and using such information, which should be disclosed only in the performance of duty or to serve the needs of justice. Any disclosure of such information for other purposes is wholly improper.

Article 5

No law enforcement official may inflict, instigate or tolerate any act of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, nor may any law enforcement official invoke superior orders or exceptional circumstances such as a state of war or a threat of war, a threat to national security, internal political instability or any other public emergency as a justification of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Commentary :

( a ) This prohibition derives from the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, adopted by the General Assembly, according to which:

"[such an act is] an offence to human dignity and shall be condemned as a denial of the purposes of the Charter of the United Nations and as a violation of the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [and other international human rights instruments]."

( b ) The Declaration defines torture as follows:

". . . torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted by or at the instigation of a public official on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or confession, punishing him for an act he has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating him or other persons. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions to the extent consistent with the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners."

( c ) The term "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" has not been defined by the General Assembly but should be interpreted so as to extend the widest possible protection against abuses, whether physical or mental.

Article 6

Law enforcement officials shall ensure the full protection of the health of persons in their custody and, in particular, shall take immediate action to secure medical attention whenever required.

Commentary :

( a ) "Medical attention", which refers to services rendered by any medical personnel, including certified medical practitioners and paramedics, shall be secured when needed or requested.

( b ) While the medical personnel are likely to be attached to the law enforcement operation, law enforcement officials must take into account the judgement of such personnel when they recommend providing the person in custody with appropriate treatment through, or in consultation with, medical personnel from outside the law enforcement operation.

( c ) It is understood that law enforcement officials shall also secure medical attention for victims of violations of law or of accidents occurring in the course of violations of law.

Article 7

Law enforcement officials shall not commit any act of corruption. They shall also rigorously oppose and combat all such acts.

Commentary :

( a ) Any act of corruption, in the same way as any other abuse of authority, is incompatible with the profession of law enforcement officials. The law must be enforced fully with respect to any law enforcement official who commits an act of corruption, as Governments cannot expect to enforce the law among their citizens if they cannot, or will not, enforce the law against their own agents and within their agencies.

( b ) While the definition of corruption must be subject to national law, it should be understood to encompass the commission or omission of an act in the performance of or in connection with one's duties, in response to gifts, promises or incentives demanded or accepted, or the wrongful receipt of these once the act has been committed or omitted.

( c ) The expression "act of corruption" referred to above should be understood to encompass attempted corruption.

Article 8

Law enforcement officials shall respect the law and the present Code. They shall also, to the best of their capability, prevent and rigorously oppose any violations of them.

Law enforcement officials who have reason to believe that a violation of the present Code has occurred or is about to occur shall report the matter to their superior authorities and, where necessary, to other appropriate authorities or organs vested with reviewing or remedial power.

Commentary :

( a ) This Code shall be observed whenever it has been incorporated into national legislation or practice. If legislation or practice contains stricter provisions than those of the present Code, those stricter provisions shall be observed.

( b ) The article seeks to preserve the balance between the need for internal discipline of the agency on which public safety is largely dependent, on the one hand, and the need for dealing with violations of basic human rights, on the other. Law enforcement officials shall report violations within the chain of command and take other lawful action outside the chain of command only when no other remedies are available or effective. It is understood that law enforcement officials shall not suffer administrative or other penalties because they have reported that a violation of this Code has occurred or is about to occur.

( c ) The term "appropriate authorities or organs vested with reviewing or remedial power" refers to any authority or organ existing under national law, whether internal to the law enforcement agency or independent thereof, with statutory, customary or other power to review grievances and complaints arising out of violations within the purview of this Code.

( d ) In some countries, the mass media may be regarded as performing complaint review functions similar to those described in subparagraph ( c ) above. Law enforcement officials may, therefore, be justified if, as a last resort and in accordance with the laws and customs of their own countries and with the provisions of article 4 of the present Code, they bring violations to the attention of public opinion through the mass media.

( e ) Law enforcement officials who comply with the provisions of this Code deserve the respect, the full support and the co-operation of the community and of the law enforcement agency in which they serve, as well as the law enforcement profession.

Above take from THE UN HOME PAGE link... read it people

[beatenwoman2005]

Here is another FACT that CANADIAN PROSECUTORS do NOT FOLLOW…. Again agreed to by Canada to comply with… This is another FACT by the UN-

Guidelines on the Role of Prosecutors

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Adopted by the Eighth United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and

the Treatment of Offenders, Havana, Cuba, 27 August to 7 September 1990

Whereas in the Charter of the United Nations the peoples of the world affirm, inter alia , their determination to establish conditions under which justice can be maintained, and proclaim as one of their purposes the achievement of international cooperation in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,

Whereas the Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrines the principles of equality before the law, the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal,

Whereas frequently there still exists a gap between the vision underlying those principles and the actual situation,

Whereas the organization and administration of justice in every country should be inspired by those principles, and efforts undertaken to translate them fully into reality,

Whereas prosecutors play a crucial role in the administration of justice, and rules concerning the performance of their important responsibilities should promote their respect for and compliance with the above-mentioned principles, thus contributing to fair and equitable criminal justice and the effective protection of citizens against crime,

Whereas it is essential to ensure that prosecutors possess the professional qualifications required for the accomplishment of their functions, through improved methods of recruitment and legal and professional training, and through the provision of all necessary means for the proper performance of their role in combating criminality, particularly in its new forms and dimensions,

Whereas the General Assembly, by its resolution 34/169 of 17 December 1979, adopted the Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials, on the recommendation of the Fifth United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and the Treatment of Offenders,

Whereas in resolution 16 of the Sixth United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and the Treatment of Offenders, the Committee on Crime Prevention and Control was called upon to include among its priorities the elaboration of guidelines relating to the independence of judges and the selection, professional training and status of judges and prosecutors,

Whereas the Seventh United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and the Treatment of Offenders adopted the Basic Principles on the Independence of the Judiciary, subsequently endorsed by the General Assembly in its resolutions 40/32 of 29 November 1985 and 40/146 of 13 December 1985,

Whereas the Declaration of Basic Principles of Justice for Victims of Crime and Abuse of Power recommends measures to be taken at the international and national levels to improve access to justice and fair treatment, restitution, compensation and assistance for victims of crime,

Whereas , in resolution 7 of the Seventh Congress the Committee was called upon to consider the need for guidelines relating, inter alia , to the selection, professional training and status of prosecutors, their expected tasks and conduct, means to enhance their contribution to the smooth functioning of the criminal justice system and their cooperation with the police, the scope of their discretionary powers, and their role in criminal proceedings, and to report thereon to future United Nations congresses,

The Guidelines set forth below, which have been formulated to assist Member States in their tasks of securing and promoting the effectiveness, impartiality and fairness of prosecutors in criminal proceedings, should be respected and taken into account by Governments within the framework of their national legislation and practice, and should be brought to the attention of prosecutors, as well as other persons, such as judges, lawyers, members of the executive and the legislature and the public in general. The present Guidelines have been formulated principally with public prosecutors in mind, but they apply equally, as appropriate, to prosecutors appointed on an ad hoc basis.

Qualifications, selection and training

1. Persons selected as prosecutors shall be individuals of integrity and ability, with appropriate training and qualifications.

2. States shall ensure that:

( a ) Selection criteria for prosecutors embody safeguards against appointments based on partiality or prejudice, excluding any discrimination against a person on the grounds of race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national, social or ethnic origin, property, birth, economic or other status, except that it shall not be considered discriminatory to require a candidate for prosecutorial office to be a national of the country concerned;

( b ) Prosecutors have appropriate education and training and should be made aware of the ideals and ethical duties of their office, of the constitutional and statutory protections for the rights of the suspect and the victim, and of human rights and fundamental freedoms recognized by national and international law.

Status and conditions of service

3. Prosecutors, as essential agents of the administration of justice, shall at all times maintain the honour and dignity of their profession.

4. States shall ensure that prosecutors are able to perform their professional functions without intimidation, hindrance, harassment, improper interference or unjustified exposure to civil, penal or other liability.

5. Prosecutors and their families shall be physically protected by the authorities when their personal safety is threatened as a result of the discharge of prosecutorial functions.

6. Reasonable conditions of service of prosecutors, adequate remuneration and, where applicable, tenure, pension and age of retirement shall be set out by law or published rules or regulations.

7. Promotion of prosecutors, wherever such a system exists, shall be based on objective factors, in particular professional qualifications, ability, integrity and experience, and decided upon in accordance with fair and impartial procedures.

Freedom of expression and association

8. Prosecutors like other citizens are entitled to freedom of expression, belief, association and assembly. In particular, they shall have the right to take part in public discussion of matters concerning the law, the administration of justice and the promotion and protection of human rights and to join or form local, national or international organizations and attend their meetings, without suffering professional disadvantage by reason of their lawful action or their membership in a lawful organization. In exercising these rights, prosecutors shall always conduct themselves in accordance with the law and the recognized standards and ethics of their profession.

9. Prosecutors shall be free to form and join professional associations or other organizations to represent their interests, to promote their professional training and to protect their status.

Role in criminal proceedings

10. The office of prosecutors shall be strictly separated from judicial functions.

11. Prosecutors shall perform an active role in criminal proceedings, including institution of prosecution and, where authorized by law or consistent with local practice, in the investigation of crime, supervision over the legality of these investigations, supervision of the execution of court decisions and the exercise of other functions as representatives of the public interest.

12. Prosecutors shall, in accordance with the law, perform their duties fairly, consistently and expeditiously, and respect and protect human dignity and uphold human rights, thus contributing to ensuring due process and the smooth functioning of the criminal justice system.

13. In the performance of their duties, prosecutors shall:

( a ) Carry out their functions impartially and avoid all political, social, religious, racial, cultural, sexual or any other kind of discrimination;

( b ) Protect the public interest, act with objectivity, take proper account of the position of the suspect and the victim, and pay attention to all relevant circumstances, irrespective of whether they are to the advantage or disadvantage of the suspect;

( c ) Keep matters in their possession confidential, unless the performance of duty or the needs of justice require otherwise;

( d ) Consider the views and concerns of victims when their personal interests are affected and ensure that victims are informed of their rights in accordance with the Declaration of Basic Principles of Justice for Victims of Crime and Abuse of Power.

14. Prosecutors shall not initiate or continue prosecution, or shall make every effort to stay proceedings, when an impartial investigation shows the charge to be unfounded.

15. Prosecutors shall give due attention to the prosecution of crimes committed by public officials, particularly corruption, abuse of power, grave violations of human rights and other crimes recognized by international law and, where authorized by law or consistent with local practice, the investigation of such offences.

16. When prosecutors come into possession of evidence against suspects that they know or believe on reasonable grounds was obtained through recourse to unlawful methods, which constitute a grave violation of the suspect's human rights, especially involving torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, or other abuses of human rights, they shall refuse to use such evidence against anyone other than those who used such methods, or inform the Court accordingly, and shall take all necessary steps to ensure that those responsible for using such methods are brought to justice.

Discretionary functions

17. In countries where prosecutors are vested with discretionary functions, the law or published rules or regulations shall provide guidelines to enhance fairness and consistency of approach in taking decisions in the prosecution process, including institution or waiver of prosecution.

Alternatives to prosecution

18. In accordance with national law, prosecutors shall give due consideration to waiving prosecution, discontinuing proceedings conditionally or unconditionally, or diverting criminal cases from the formal justice system, with full respect for the rights of suspect(s) and the victim(s). For this purpose, States should fully explore the possibility of adopting diversion schemes not only to alleviate excessive court loads, but also to avoid the stigmatization of pre-trial detention, indictment and conviction, as well as the possible adverse effects of imprisonment.

19. In countries where prosecutors are vested with discretionary functions as to the decision whether or not to prosecute a juvenile, special consideration shall be given to the nature and gravity of the offence, protection of society and the personality and background of the juvenile. In making that decision, prosecutors shall particularly consider available alternatives to prosecution under the relevant juvenile justice laws and procedures. Prosecutors shall use their best efforts to take prosecutory action against juveniles only to the extent strictly necessary.

Relations with other government agencies or institutions

20. In order to ensure the fairness and effectiveness of prosecution, prosecutors shall strive to cooperate with the police, the courts, the legal profession, public defenders and other government agencies or institutions.

Disciplinary proceedings

21. Disciplinary offences of prosecutors shall be based on law or lawful regulations. Complaints against prosecutors which allege that they acted in a manner clearly out of the range of professional standards shall be processed expeditiously and fairly under appropriate procedures. Prosecutors shall have the right to a fair hearing. The decision shall be subject to independent review.

22. Disciplinary proceedings against prosecutors shall guarantee an objective evaluation and decision. They shall be determined in accordance with the law, the code of professional conduct and other established standards and ethics and in the light of the present Guidelines.

Observance of the Guidelines

23. Prosecutors shall respect the present Guidelines. They shall also, to the best of their capability, prevent and actively oppose any violations thereof.

24. Prosecutors who have reason to believe that a violation of the present Guidelines has occurred or is about to occur shall report the matter to their superior authorities and, where necessary, to other appropriate authorities or organs vested with reviewing or remedial power.

© OHCHR 1996-2006

***ABOVE taken from-

http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/prosecutors.htm

[ScottSA]

This is a BELLOW of rage, I am DISGUSTED with the justice system. The lame EXCUSES of Crown's, the LAME excuses of POLICE departments, I am sick of it.

They ruin LIVES and they SERVE no time, how on earth is that fair once they have JUDGED an INNOCENT person without EVIDENCE?

I would like to point out to all the people on this site who think they have big brains that THE UNITED NATIONS has GUIDE lines that CANADA agreed to and the justice departments though CANADA do NOT apply....

Just as a hint for your future literary endeavors, it sometimes helps to introduce a subject and lay some conceptual groundwork before entering a loud mid-rant howl about something. I assume you don't like "Crown's" because you say all they do is put away the innocent, but I'm not sure why you arrived at that conclusion.

[beatenwoman2005]

This is a BELLOW of rage, I am DISGUSTED with the justice system. The lame EXCUSES of Crown's, the LAME excuses of POLICE departments, I am sick of it.

They ruin LIVES and they SERVE no time, how on earth is that fair once they have JUDGED an INNOCENT person without EVIDENCE?

I would like to point out to all the people on this site who think they have big brains that THE UNITED NATIONS has GUIDE lines that CANADA agreed to and the justice departments though CANADA do NOT apply....

Just as a hint for your future literary endeavors, it sometimes helps to introduce a subject and lay some conceptual groundwork before entering a loud mid-rant howl about something. I assume you don't like "Crown's" because you say all they do is put away the innocent, but I'm not sure why you arrived at that conclusion.

My ground work is HANDS ON- the system, almost killed me by NOT dealing with a situation and owning up to making a mistake, but rather they have chosen, or tried to CHOOSE to COVER IT UP.

I am so glad that your complacency is apparent, I would assume that you are apart of some form responsible for applying justice in Canada. We will see how justice departments fair when they are made to comply with "A TOUR OF DUTY". I am sure you know what a "TOUR OF DUTY" is.

The problem with justice departments is that they have NOT a clue of what it is like to be on the other side of justice.... so they develop an attitude. In most jobs for common folk, we "APPRENTICE" under an experienced individual and we work hands on with things and watch all the processes. It is high time that these departments are made to see FIRST HAND what their decisions do to people. After all... we are all only flesh, blood, and bone.... we are ALL HUMAN...

No matter what at the end of the day, we all die, we all suffer, we all love, we all feel... because, we are all HUMAN....You my dear need to watch the movie -[/u] March of the Penguins These creatures work together to stay alive. Human beings seem to create "CLASS STRUCTURE", now through "CLASS STRUCTURE" human beings FORGET that we are all on this planet together, do you see these creatures, or other creatures dealing with "CLASS STRUCTURE"?

Can we learn, NO we can not learn with people who think that they know it all.....

[Canadian Blue]

Your comparing human beings to the movie March of the Penguins.

I make NO ACCUSATIONS, I am dealing with FACT of a situation that happened to ME and you will all know it SOON.

Tell us when it does.

The system says that you are in charge of dealing with people, because of that your dealing with individuals that deal with trauma and upset. If officers and CROWNS do not know what they are doing, they need to be DISMISSED, or PUT THROUGH some form of training again.

I'm sure Law Enforcement training is excellent in this country.

The system screws up and there are no SUPPORTS out there for VICTIMS.

How many OFFICERS BECOME "NUMB"when they come in and out of situations, how many make a JUDGEMENT CALL based upon their experience...

So you're blaming the people who do the best they can with the system we currently have.

I would like to REMIND you all; that EVERY human being is different, EVERY SITUATION is a UNIQUE experience to each individual. Most officers look at situations, and think "EH I KNOW THIS SYMPTOM, I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, I AM GOING TO DEAL WITH IT THIS WAY". From that way of thinking that is how they MAKE MISTAKES.

Police Officers aren't psychiatrists. As well thats the best Police Officers can go off of is experience, every human being is different. However you should be able to find a large amount of resources which deals with victims services.

They make their own judgment calls without EXAMINING HISTORY, or for that matter they make take their own personal situation (family, friend, etc...) and base the judgment call consciously because of it.

Meaning what?

The problem with justice departments is that they have NOT a clue of what it is like to be on the other side of justice.... so they develop an attitude. In most jobs for common folk, we "APPRENTICE" under an experienced individual and we work hands on with things and watch all the processes. It is high time that these departments are made to see FIRST HAND what their decisions do to people. After all... we are all only flesh, blood, and bone.... we are ALL HUMAN...

Police Officers never have to deal with the victims of crime, are you sure about that.

But once again we have no idea what your talking about, and I'm sure there once again is two sides to the story.

[beatenwoman2005]

There are never 2 sides to a story... there are THREE sides to a story.

Have you forgotten that with all of your training in law enforcement?

What am I talking about are where POLICE officer's screw up, and where CROWN's screw up BECAUSE they are in BED with each other.... their goal is to cover up SCREW-up's on the job.

I was always under the impression that justice was based on TRUTH.. and I was always under the impression that POLICE OFFICERS did their jobs when a person has been a victim.

YES officers do deal with victims, the ones that SURVIVE and are left behind have to give statements. You do not only deal with criminals (REAL OR PERCEIVED) . You are the front lines, and as such it is your DUTY and responsibility to deal with a victim....

[Canadian Blue]

There are never 2 sides to a story... there are THREE sides to a story.

Have you forgotten that with all of your training in law enforcement?

I've thought about applying. From what I understand police get both sides of the story, and then make a decision.

What am I talking about are where POLICE officer's screw up, and where CROWN's screw up BECAUSE they are in BED with each other.... their goal is to cover up SCREW-up's on the job.

What screw-up?

I was always under the impression that justice was based on TRUTH.. and I was always under the impression that POLICE OFFICERS did their jobs when a person has been a victim.

They do, as long as they can actually prosecute a crime in a court of law.

YES officers do deal with victims, the ones that SURVIVE and are left behind have to give statements. You do not only deal with criminals (REAL OR PERCEIVED) . You are the front lines, and as such it is your DUTY and responsibility to deal with a victim....

So your saying police do deal with the victims, and then say it is their duty to deal with the victims. Of course police don't only deal with criminals, because there usually is a victim first.

Once again please stop yelling.

[beatenwoman2005]

Once again please stop yelling.

No more yelling here.

Now for some reason this may have gotten off topic.

Let's get back to the issue that many people are innocent and for some reason the system that is in place fail's.

Why on earth are there no comments from police or prosecutors regarding this fact in this forum?

Most like to exercise their voice in this forum on a variety of issues, but this one is not spoken of or commented on by all of you whom have answers.

What is the fear factor by all; rearding this life destroying issue? Is it that perhaps millions of dollars can be extracted, and have been extracted regrading this? Millions more will be extracted if the issue is not spoken of. Now if it does not hurt you in a personal way, it is hurting the tax payers (you and I) in a $$$$$$ way.

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