9/11

PolyNewbie · January 21, 2007

guyser:Guess you have never seen the videos of buildings being demolished ? Lots and lots of dust present.

In a conventional controlled demolition you get lots of dust but you do not see dust being projected upwards along with large heavy chunks of buildings. Only explosives can explain this. You also have large chunks of concrete in the wreckage.

On 911, wtc1 & wtc2 had almost all of their concrete converted to dust - as the building was being blown apart sequentially from the top down. It was not a conventional controlled demolition although it was a controlled demolition. Conventional controlled demolition uses implosions and the wtc1 & wtc2 demolitions used explosives.

A perfect example of a conmventional controlled demolition is the demolition of wtc7 on the same day - markedly different characteristcs than the demolitions of wtc1 & wtc2.

PolyNewbie · January 21, 2007

JBG:I thought Peter Sampras, who lost the US Open finals on September 9, 2001 arranged it.

I thought you had a sense of humour slightly more sophisticated than an average ten year old. Obviously I was wrong.

jbg · January 21, 2007

JBG:I thought Peter Sampras, who lost the US Open finals on September 9, 2001 arranged it.

I thought you had a sense of humour slightly more sophisticated than an average ten year old. Obviously I was wrong.

Learn to spell. Your spelling of "humor" is wrong.

Riverwind · January 21, 2007

Learn to spell. Your spelling of "humor" is wrong.

Was that supposed to be a joke?

jbg · January 21, 2007

Learn to spell. Your spelling of "humor" is wrong.
Was that supposed to be a joke?

Not at your expense. We don't agree on everything by a long shot, but you've got something between your ears.

PolyNewbie · January 21, 2007

JBG:Not at your expense. We don't agree on everything by a long shot, but you've got something between your ears.

Why can't you contribute something to this debate instead of throwing around simple one liners - is it because you know I will be able to put it down ?

jbg · January 22, 2007

JBG:Not at your expense. We don't agree on everything by a long shot, but you've got something between your ears.

Why can't you contribute something to this debate instead of throwing around simple one liners - is it because you know I will be able to put it down ?

You haven't responded to my contribution, which is to the effect that the conspiracy theorists will do anything to absolve radical Islam of responsibility for this attack. Let's just call it like it is; you hate the United States and you hate Jews.

PolyNewbie · January 22, 2007

jbg:You haven't responded to my contribution, which is to the effect that the conspiracy theorists will do anything to absolve radical Islam of responsibility for this attack. Let's just call it like it is; you hate the United States and you hate Jews.

Actually I like the USA very much until recently (Bush) and have often considered moving there. I have known Jewish people and have relatives that are Jewish. I have no problem with the Jews and think you are another idiot lawyer that plays low ball just like most lawyers for suggesting that you know what I think and bring anti semitism into the arguement. But I get that from your posts - not my imagination.

A good side to this is that my opinion of lawyers couldn't be any lower than it already is so I don't think you can make me think any worse of lawyers because of your arrogance and stupidity. You are a myopic simple minded over paid irresponsible lawyer - nothing new there.

Even though I am not a lawyer, be glad you are not facing me in court because I would make a fool out of you in front of a judge.

PolyNewbie · January 22, 2007

JBG:You haven't responded to my contribution, which is to the effect that the conspiracy theorists will do anything to absolve radical Islam of responsibility for this attack.

Thats not a contribution to this debate, its just another stupid remark. You would get no points for that in a debating contest.

jbg · January 22, 2007

Actually I like the USA very much until recently (Bush) and have often considered moving there.

What marketable skills do you have? Maybe we'd like to have you.

If you have no particular professional skills, county fairs could use you for some of the displays.

Even though I am not a lawyer, be glad you are not facing me in court because I would make a fool out of you in front of a judge.

On engineering topics, maybe. You've just about have me convinced that buidlings hit by planes levitate upwards to the stratosphere.

PolyNewbie · January 22, 2007

JBG:You've just about have me convinced that buidlings hit by planes levitate upwards to the stratosphere.

Really, how is that ?

JBG:What marketable skills do you have? Maybe we'd like to have you.

I can make lawyers look foolish(see below). (besides engineering) But I won't work for the police state or help make weapons.

JBG:If you have no particular professional skills, county fairs could use you for some of the displays.

Do you know what I look like ?

stignasty · January 22, 2007

I put forward a motion that, unless you can state something that has not been previously stated in this thread, you must not post. Like that's going to happen...

kimmy · January 22, 2007

Do you know what I look like ?

I think most of us have kind of a mental picture by now...

-k

guyser · January 22, 2007

guyser:Guess you have never been to Freshkills NJ where most of the steel , bargeload after bargeload was transported for inspection?

Even FEMA comments on how they were not allowed to inspect steel. They had to hunt down the steel that was in waste sites.

LOL...yea FEMA was denied access , but the Discovery Channel was given unfettered access to film a documentary.

Oh and for your dust theory? Take a box, cut some holes in the side, just a few tho, and put some dust in it. Now take a rock and drop it in this box. Come back convince us that the dust stayed low to the ground and did not rise above the box.

And if you cannot understand that , have the local Grade three class explain it to you, and I am not being sarcastic, this is rudimentary stuff.

But I suspect in your world, the sun rises in the west.

PolyNewbie · January 22, 2007

guyzer:LOL...yea FEMA was denied access , but the Discovery Channel was given unfettered access to film a documentary.

CNN was not given access to the site in full to make a documentary.

Oh and for your dust theory? Take a box, cut some holes in the side, just a few tho, and put some dust in it. Now take a rock and drop it in this box. Come back convince us that the dust stayed low to the ground and did not rise above the box.

I did not say dust stayed on the ground. If you dropped a rock on a box the box would collapse like the towers because the rock has so much more potentional energy than the box and would crush it. On 911 bombs were used for this energy.

Ask yourself "how much do I really know about physics ? " before creating arguements like that.

guyser · January 22, 2007

Oh poly poly poly ......if only you could read.

Your tin foil hat is cutting the blood off from your brain. Lets see how many other ways you can spell my name , it is sooooooooo cute.

Ad hominen attack occurs in 5..4..3..

PolyNewbie · January 23, 2007

Guyser, I spelt your name wrong. Sorry. I didn't mean it. I guess you got me.

Canadian Blue · January 23, 2007

Poly what's wrong with Rockefeller Republican's? I read up on them, and all they are is liberal minded members of the Republican party.

jbg · January 23, 2007

Poly what's wrong with Rockefeller Republican's? I read up on them, and all they are is liberal minded members of the Republican party.

That's the one place Polynewbie has a point. The Rockefeller Republicans are our Red Tories. Their main contribution, during their ascendancy, in one form or another, from roughly 1932 to 1980 (when the Reagan Republicans took over, aside from a dead cat bounce under Bush I) was to cripple the development of a true conservative alternative. While I am a liberal Democrat politically, there was very little real issues debate at a Federal level during this period. It was rather stultifying and boring.

The first really interesting election (and almost the last) in modern times was the 1980 election between Reagan and Carter. I voted for Carter, but thank G-d Reagan won. The enw ideas contributed much to the country. An alternation between truly conservative and truly liberal Presidents, IMHO, would be a good thing.

margrace · January 23, 2007

The Global Government movement was designed by the wealthies men in our world. It was designed to support their corporations, their foundations, their opinions and the continuance of their family dynasties. It was designed to merge their corporate powers with and into government powers.

It was designed to hand themselves total control of the world's wealth, which means land.

They achieved their missions first and foremost, by capturing financial control of research and development, they did so by funding research and development via their corporate foundations.

PolyNewbie · January 23, 2007

Even John Kenneth Galbraith admits that a handful of bankers controls the USA in his book Money

The USA currently has two parties running aginst each other: The Rockefeller Democrats and the Rockefeller Republicans. They also have electronic voting so they have decided who will be president before voting even begins. It can be shown with a very high degree of certainty that Bush stole his first federal election.

Any resemblance to democracy is purely illusionary.

margrace · January 23, 2007

They also created the United Nations. They created private clubs that could operate in secret, like the council on foreign relations, the Bilderberg group, the Trilateral Commission, etc, and they also created training grounds for future comrades via the secret societies inside their Ivy League Univercities.

The lives and perks of such people are beyond what commoners can imagine. The power and the money at their disposal are, Frankly, beyond our comprehension. It is , in fact, mostly impossible for commoners to believe. Hence, the current state of their global affairs exists. Our "freedom " is no more than a fragment of our imagination and truly an untruth. We have no freedom, it is, in fact, non existant.

frogs · January 23, 2007

Our "freedom " is no more than a fragment of our imagination and truly an untruth. We have no freedom, it is, in fact, non existant.

I disagree totally! If you give the state money on your income every week, and on everything you purchase, and every year on your home, a home they can take away from you at anytime for the sake of the freeway, etc, you are totally FREE to do anything you like on your own land if you can afford some, as long as the neighbors don't complain, and you make no changes. Of course, they may need to inspect it at anytime for weapons, and can take your weapons away at anytime if they like, and the courts will take the cops word for anything they say without any proof, so they can harrass you whenever they like, but you have the right to vote for anyone that has a chance of winning who has no chance of getting you equal rights in court, and you have no right to sleep in a public place, unless they feel it's OK, and you are free to work for any wage fixing company you like, but are sometimes not allowed to unionize.

How can you possibly say freedom is a farce? In the US, even the slaves had free healthcare, prior to 1850, but of course now, they are free (if they can afford it) to buy their own health insurance, which is free to deny any claim unless you can afford to go to court and pay off the judge.

Freedom is everywhere! : ~ {

PolyNewbie · January 23, 2007

Your freedom can be taken away at any time, for that reason it is a momentary illusion.

They are not building these hundreds of detention centers because they do not intend to use them.

Most people don't want war, yet we have all these wars. Politicians do not represent us, they represent banks and corporations because they have dumbed us down and created an economy that over works too many people. People are too dumb and too tired to get out and protest. The required changes cannot be initiated by the populace for this reason.