9/11

[Canadian Blue]

Some of LaRouche's most outspoken opponents are to be found among those who remained in the Left, after LaRouche and his followers had moved away from Marxism, as well as among conservatives and liberals. According to Tim Wohlforth and Dennis Tourish:

The parallel between LaRouche's thinking and that of the classical fascist model is striking. LaRouche, like Mussolini and Hitler before him, borrowed from Marx yet changed his theories fundamentally. Most important, Marx's internationalist outlook was abandoned in favor of a narrow nation-state perspective. Marx's goal of abolishing capitalism was replaced by the model of a totalitarian state that directs an economy where ownership of the means of production is still largely in public hands. The corporations and their owners remain in place but have to take their orders from LaRouche. Hitler called the schema "national socialism". LaRouche hopes the term "the American System" will be more acceptable." [citation needed]

The criticism of LaRouche was not only based on his abstract ideas. In 1977-78, a large amount of material began to be published in LaRouche publications that was regarded as anti-Semitic by the Anti-Defamation League and other outside observers as well as by some LaRouche followers who quit over the issue. Dennis King described some ex-NCLC members as believing that LaRouche was borrowing ideas from the Nazis. Don and Alice Roth, two members who quit in 1981, reported in their resignation statement that anti-Semitic Holocaust jokes had become rife in the organization. [24] Ex-LaRouche aide Gregory Rose, in his National Review cover article, charged that LaRouche and his followers were linking up with ultrarightists such as Willis Carto of the Liberty Lobby and Pennsylvania Ku Klux Klan grand dragon [[Roy Frankhouser]]. [25]

LaRouche has denounced the economic and other policies of Mussolini and Hitler. [26] [27] But he has also advanced, according to Dennis King and others, ideas which appear to be modelled on fascist and even Nazi racialist concepts. [28] In an examination of LaRouche's writings on political theory, King argues that LaRouche was really advocating a fascist-style state in which all political dissent would be crushed. [29] LaRouche, however, says that the model he advocates is that of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Perceived anti-Semitism in LaRouche's publications caused increased public criticism by outsiders beginning in the late 1970s and continuing intensely through the late 1980s when LaRouche entered federal prison. In 1979, apart from the National Review article, a two-part article appeared in The New York Times that was strongly critical of LaRouche. [30] Also in 1979, Chip Berlet wrote his first of several articles about LaRouche for the Chicago Sun Times, while King wrote a 12-part series for the Manhattan weekly Our Town. Other in-depth critiques of LaRouche and his organization would be published over the next six years by the Washington Post, The New Republic, the Heritage Foundation, the Anti-Defamation League, and the League for Industrial Democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Larouc...ism_of_LaRouche

Larouche wants to (1) Nationalize the banks (2) rebuild the USA infrastructure with non interest bearing currency.

These two things are strongly against the Bush doctrine which is too destroy the manufactering capability of the USA and to let private bankers take over. So Bush and his gang do everything they can to discredit LaRouche. LaRouche is not in the pockets of the international bankers.

Can you name me one good reason why the ADL would lie about Lyndon Larouche being an anti-semite.

Linda Hunt [44] and Dennis King [45] have described LaRouche's dealings beginning in the early 1980s with German scientists who served the Nazis during World War Two (and some of whom came to the United States after the war under Operation Paperclip and ended up with NASA). Among these scientists were Arthur Rudolph (production manager of the Mittelwerk slave-labor factory where tens of thousands died of overwork, starvation or SS murders), and several Peenemunde rocket scientists including Krafft Arnold Ehricke (a Moon colonization advocate), Adolf Busemann (who, according to King, complained to LaRouche's Fusion magazine that the German rocketeers weren't given enough money to do their job properly), Konrad Dannenberg and Hermann Oberth. King also commented on LaRouche's relationship to Karl-Adolf Zenker and Paul-Albert Scherer, West German Admiral and former head of West German Military Intelligence, respectively, who both served in the German military in World War Two.

According to both Hunt and King, LaRouche and his followers played a major role along with several German-American scientists, in rallying to the defense of Rudolph when the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations (OSI) filed suit to deport him as a Nazi war criminal. King wrote:

Editorials in New Solidarity described Rudolph as an American "patriot" and suggested that OSI prosecutors were Soviet agents and "traitors" who perhaps should be executed for treason. Their activities were said to be a plot to undermine SDI by demoralizing and deporting America's brilliant cadre of Peenemunde scientists. [LaRouche's] Schiller Institute expanded the list of patriotic martyrs to include John (Ivan the Terrible) Demjanjuk of Treblinka fame; Karl Linnas, the butcher of the Tartu death camp; and Tscherim Soobzokov, a Waffen SS mass murderer whose attorney, Michael Dennis, was also LaRouche's attorney.[46]

The highlight of this campaign, according to King, was a 1985 "Kraft Ehricke Memorial Conference" in Reston, Virginia featuring support of SDI, defense of Rudolph and other alleged Nazi war criminals, lavish praise for World War Two era German science and promotion of space colonization. Such activities were reflected, King asserted, in an imaginative new version of LaRouche's "Grand Design for Humanity" featuring, in King's description,

"forced-draft development of SDI [the Strategic Defense Initiative], underground factories on the Moon, Lebensraum on Mars, and electromagnetic weapons capable of turning the Soviet Union into a vast microwave oven."

On the last of these items, King quoted from LaRouche's comments at a September 3, 1987 EIR seminar in Munich aimed at German military officers and defense contractors in which LaRouche described a new generation of "mass-killing" weapons using the "full range of the electromagnetic spectrum" and making possible the "true total war." According to King, LaRouche told his audience that whoever first develops microwave weapons can "dominate this planet."[47]

This thread isn't about Larouche

It is due to the fact your a Lyndon Larouche supporter, and I believe you share the exact same beliefs with regards to 9/11.

[PolyNewbie]

I'll wait till you guys have something to add to the discussion at hand rather than stupid insults and copied hit pieces.

Roy Wilson:Ive heard this conspiracy crap since 912 , it gets old quick.

Why stick around then ? Why not go watch TV ?

[Canadian Blue]

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/a...noi/lni-02.html

So what do they agree on? Not much - except that tired song of the demagogue, that some of the world's ugliest problems are spawned and furthered by conspiracies involving Jews.

The LaRouche cult - whose leader, 71-year-old, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., was just paroled from federal prison after serving time for his role in defrauding a series of elderly persons of more than $30 million, in many cases of their life savings - blames prominent Jews and Jewish families, organizations and businesses for organized crime and international drug trafficking. The announcement a year and a half ago for a joint Nation of Islam/ LaRouche program at Howard University trumpeted, "The ADL is historically indistinguishable from organized crime and the bankers and financiers who operate the $500 billion drug trade known as DOPE INC." NOI officials have parroted this conspiratorial LaRouche claptrap in recent statements. Conrad Muhammad, who runs the NOI's mosque No.7 in New York told The New Yorker in February 1994, ". .Why not condemn the criminal activities and the charges that have been laid at [the ADL's] door that they were a front organization for Meyer Lansky and other gangsters?"

Farrakhan's tabloid, The Final Call, has editorialized more broadly on the theme of "Vile plots being hatched against Black people by clandestine organizations dominated by Jewish interests, including the...apartheid system, which was helped to be formed by Jewish doctors."

Prominent Farrakhan follower Steve Cokely, has charged an international "secret society' exists to oppress blacks and create a single world government run by Jews. In the same speech, Cokely kid the AIDS epidemic to doctors, especially Jewish ones, injecting black babies with the AIDS virus. Said Farrakhan, "Cokely spoke the truth."

The "international Jewish conspiracy'' theme surfaces in both camps. LaRouche has endorsed the notorious Czarist forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, stating that a "corrected version...would stipulate that the evil paths cited were actually the practices of...B'nai B'rith...." In turn, the Protocols and Henry Ford, Sr.'s The International Jew have been sold in bookstores owned by Nation of Islam supporters.[2]

Both groups have echoed the classic a anti-Semitic blood libel that the Jews killed Christ. In the world according to LaRouche, "It was the Jewish Sadducees who crucified Christ and the same faction in Rome who prompted the Emperor Nero to launch the centuries-long 'holocaust' against the Christians." Last year Farrakhan's national spokesman, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, stated, "it is a known fact that the Jews have been an enemy of Jesus" and they "sought to kill the Messiah." And in his 1994 Savior's Day speech, Farrakhan told followers, "they didn't want to hear what he said. And they trumped up lies on Him and they killed Him. Right to this day Jews don't believe in Jesus...."

Both organizations have cozied up to white supremacist groups. The LaRouche network has employed Ku Klux Klan members as security consultants, notably Roy Frankhauser, a two-time felon lately of the United Klans of America. Among Frankhauser's convictions was one involving explosives in connection with a school bus bombing in Pontiac, Mich. Representatives of Farrakhan invited former Klansman Tom Metzger and several members of his White American Political Association (now called White Aryan Resistance - WAR) to a 1985 Los Angeles Coliseum appearance by Farrakhan. Later Metzger's group donated $100 to Farrakhan. According to Metzger, he and Farrakhan's people exchanged "intelligence."[3]

Both the LaRouche organization and the Nation of Islam promote ignorant and distorted claims concerning the Holocaust. The LaRouche tabloid has referred to "the mythical 'six million Jewish victims' of the Nazi 'holocaust,"' asserting that a million and a half Jews perished, and that Hitler was put in power by prominent Jewish banking families. The cult continues to vilify the Office of Special Investigations of the U.S. Department of Justice and defend accused Nazi war criminals and German rocket scientists who used slave laborers while working under the Nazi regime. For its part, in February 1985, the NOI welcomed Arthur Butz, author of the Holocaust-denial tract, The Hoax of the 20th Century, as a guest speaker at its annual Savior's Day Convention in Chicago. Butz's pseudo-history has been sold at recent NOI events. Despite the historical tack, Farrakhan has admonished Jews: "You cannot say 'never again' to God, because when He puts you in the oven, 'never again' don't mean a thing."

Khalid Muhammad has joined his anti-Semitism with Holocaust denial. In April 1994 Muhammad staged a visit to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and held a press conference afterwards at which he belittled the magnitude of the Nazi's near extermination of European Jewry. The museum visit appeared to be a publicity stunt for Muhammad's speech the following night at Howard University, where he repeated many of the same remarks. At Howard he said "the black holocaust was 100 times worse than the so-called Jew Holocaust. You say you lost 6 million we question that, but we lost 600 million. Schindler's List is really a swindler's list."

Farrakhan himself made similar remarks in his 1994 Savior's Day speech in Chicago.

So what do you have to say Polynewbie, do you, or do you not support the views on Lyndon Larouche. This is for myself to understand why you are so committed to this 9/11 conspiracy theory which the mainstream scientific community believes is false.

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclc1.html

LaRouche, never one to miss a cue, soon was running articles in his newspaper New Solidarity with themes that betrayed increasingly bigoted view of Jews and Jewish institutions. By the end of 1976, LaRouche had completed his drift to the extremist-right of the political spectrum where his bigoted conspiracy theories linking international bankers, influential Jewish families, furtive KGB agents, and secret societes found fertile ground.

This turn toward a Jewish conspiracy theory of history came shortly after the quasi-Nazi Liberty Lobby began praising a 1976 USLP pamphlet titled Carter and the International Party of Terrorism. The pamphlet outlined the "Rockefeller-CIA-Carter axis," which was supposedly trying to "deindustrialize" the U.S. and provoke a war with the Soviet Union by 1978. (At this point LaRouche had not yet discarded his support for the Soviet Union, nor announced his support for "Star Wars" defense against his perceived threat of imminent Soviet attack.) In an overall favorable review of the USLP treatise on the Rockefeller-controlled global conspiracy, Liberty Lobby's newspaper, Spotlight complained that the report failed to mention any of the "major Zionist groups such as the notorious Anti-Defamation League" in its extensive list of government agencies, research groups, organizations and individuals controlled by the "Rockefeller-Carter-CIA" terrorism apparatus.

As LaRouche's fear of persecution and assassination intensified he moved further and further into right-wing circles. His ideological theories were constantly being repackaged to appeal to his new-found friends. One shift in LaRouche's perception of who controlled the worldwide conspiracy came at the time of Nelson Rockefeller's death; an event which left a major hole in LaRouche's theoretical bulwark.

Ever alert to exploit shifting sentiment and historical opportunities, the U.S. Labor Party began to de-emphasise Rockefeller as the archenemy of civilization, replacing him with a worldwide conspiracy under the control of the "British Oligarchy" and their stooge. . .the Queen of England. A careful reading of USLP published material reveals, however, that a remarkable number of the British and other co-conspirators were Jews. It is this fact that prompted several major Jewish groups to denounce LaRouche's theories as anti-Semitic.

The next night at Howard University, LaRouche representatives stated, "ADL is behind drugs, destruction of children, and AIDS," and promoted the cult's latest fantasies. According to an account in The Washington Jewish Week, the LaRouche followers baldly announced that the ADL had staged the recent massacre at the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron via the Jewish Defense League, which the ADL supposedly operates as agents of assassination. A LaRouche speaker also provocatively asserted that the massacre is linked to "an ongoing attempt to assassinate" Louis Farrakhan. Muhammad said that he was "very proud to share the rostrum" with LaRouche representatives, who he praised as "kindred in spirit to those you find in the Nation of Islam."

Here is what you have posted on here to date Polynewbie:

You need to learn about banking. Only then can you understand how the USA works. Everything depends on money and runs on money. Rockefeller owns the USA. They vote and choose between the Rockefeller Democrats and the Rockefeller Republicans. Your idea of democracy is an illusion and if you and people like you do not wake up, one morning to will awaken to NAZI Germany hell on earth and you will and should blame yourself for it. Read books like Money by John Kenneth Galbraith to confirm what is in this video: http://www.themoneymasters.com/ read quotes from this site of presidents and head bankers. You can see that video on Google.

Polynewbie do you share the view's of Larouche, he has been shown to be an anti-semite, and a fascist. All the link's will provide you with evidence, and link's to Larouche's own publication's.

This is about Larouche since you have espoused the same belief's as him, and since you brought the holocaust and fascism into this, you have to defend your action's.

[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:Polynewbie do you share the view's of Larouche, he has been shown to be an anti-semite, and a fascist. All the link's will provide you with evidence, and link's to Larouche's own publication's.

If I got into a discussion about the ADL it is possible that I could be arrested and sent to jail fror a long time. We are in Canada. I will not engage in any discussion about Jews or the ADL. It doesn't matter what I think, even if my thoughts are that the holocaust happened. Any one of you guys could have me arrested and locked for one misstep on a discussion about this.

I prefer to stick with topics whose ideas are not being policed.

I do not believe that the conspiracy of ruining the USA economically, militarily, in farming and in education has anything more to do with Jews than it does Christians or Muslims. Its not about religion its about an oligarchy trying to take everything away from everyone else and have it all for themselves.

[Roy Wilson]

I'll wait till you guys have something to add to the discussion at hand rather than stupid insults and copied hit pieces.

Roy Wilson:Ive heard this conspiracy crap since 912 , it gets old quick.

Why stick around then ? Why not go watch TV ?

What and miss all the stupidity. Nah this is better comedy.

[Canadian Blue]

If I got into a discussion about the ADL it is possible that I could be arrested and sent to jail fror a long time. We are in Canada. I will not engage in any discussion about Jews or the ADL. It doesn't matter what I think, even if my thoughts are that the holocaust happened. Any one of you guys could have me arrested and locked for one misstep on a discussion about this.

I prefer to stick with topics whose ideas are not being policed.

What exactly do you have to fear, why would you be put in jail for having this discussion. Ernst Zundel got deported, and even his sentence wasn't that harsh. Besides, I'm sure Doug Christie would come up to the plate to defend you.

You have repeated these conspiracy theories with relation to what Lyndon Larouche has said, you are now stepping away because I have found links which show that Larouche is considered anti-semitic and has fascist leanings. Why did you repeat these theories about the Rockefeller's, the Banks, and the media when you knew full well of the anti-semitic themes these arguments presented. If you believe September 11th was a conspiracy and you are using arguments from Lyndon Larouche, then you better be prepared to defend them or admit you were wrong.

As for using a few professor's, smart people are capable of irrational ideas as well.

William Luther Pierce III[1] (September 11, 1933 – July 23, 2002) was the founder of the white separatist National Alliance organization, and a principal ideologue of the white nationalist movement. First educated as a physicist, then rising to a tenured professorship, he later worked with George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party.[1] He achieved notoriety as the author of a novel, The Turner Diaries (1978), written under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. He founded the religion of Cosmotheism, an admixture of panentheism and White racialist and separatist world-views.

[PolyNewbie]

Roy Wilson: I guess you, like the rest of the people argueing about this know nothing about the Federal Reserve or even what a fiat currency is.

CanadianBlue:I have found links which show that Larouche is considered anti-semitic and has fascist leanings. Why did you repeat these theories about the Rockefeller's, the Banks, and the media when you knew full well of the anti-semitic themes these arguments presented.

I have been listening to LaRouche and reading his materials and he keeps saying the Bush administration are behind NAZI ideas and have a NAZI background. There is lots of historical evidence to support this (not just hit pieces). Prescott Bush was working for the Harriman bank which was closed during a time during ww2 for sending money to Hitler. LaRouche isn't the only one saying this.

Bush's are fascists. Rockefeller isn't Jewish. The banks own USA that is absolute fact that no one can deny. They print the money and every dollar that exists in the USA (electronic or paper) is being rented from private bankers who print it for practically nothing (reserve ratio = 300:1). Bankers make more from every house built, every weapon made or every job ever done than anyone else and that has been true for almost 100 years.

The federal reserve act of 1913 was sneakily signed into law when many congressmen were away for the holidays. At that point & forward the private banks have been in control of the US economy.

[Canadian Blue]

Roy Wilson: I guess you, like the rest of the people argueing about this know nothing about the Federal Reserve or even what a fiat currency is.

PN you still haven't been able to refute the claim's I made about Lyndon Larouche. I asked you about your view's on his conspiracy theories, and his relationship with fascists and you still haven't come up with an answer.

As for not being able to answer since the posts are policed, that's a load of BS, if Stormfront can still be up and running so can this forum. If your answer was you were afraid you would be called a white supremacist then I'm questioning your view's on the matter, as well as your mental state.

Respond to the claim's which were made since you are basing the motives of the attack's of Sept 11 from people who are on the far right, and considered anti-semitic.

[PolyNewbie]

I dtermined that 911 was an inside job the day it happened. I didn't neeed LaRouche or anyone else to tell me because I saw wtc7 collapse and the only way a building can collapse like that is with controlled demolition. The only people that could wire a government building for controled demolition like that is the US government.

CanadianBlue:PN you still haven't been able to refute the claim's I made about Lyndon Larouche. I asked you about your view's on his conspiracy theories, and his relationship with fascists and you still haven't come up with an answer.

I have not read or heard anything from laRouche about any conspiracy theory at all. I read and listen to him about economics. I have no idea why he thinks 911 was an inside job although I do know that is what he thinks.

[Roy Wilson]

I dtermined that 911 was an inside job the day it happened. I didn't neeed LaRouche or anyone else to tell me because I saw wtc7 collapse and the only way a building can collapse like that is with controlled demolition. The only people that could wire a government building for controled demolition like that is the US government.

You are a demolition expert?

[Riverwind]

You are a demolition expert?

No but he plays one on TV...

[PolyNewbie]

Roy Wilson: You are a demolition expert?

No, but many demolition experts have said the same think. Von Romero said it then he changed his mind a week or so later and got big promotions + money and now he is a White House lobbyist.

You do not have to be a mathemetician to know that 2+2 is not 5 and you do not have to know how to wire a building for CD to recognise a CD any more than you have to be an aeronautical engineer to know that houses don't fly.

[Roy Wilson]

You are a demolition expert?

No but he plays one on TV...

I thought maybe one of the cast from Dumber and Dumber

[PolyNewbie]

You guys are giving the level of debate I would expect from a retarded ten year old.

[Canadian Blue]

I have been listening to LaRouche and reading his materials and he keeps saying the Bush administration are behind NAZI ideas and have a NAZI background. There is lots of historical evidence to support this (not just hit pieces). Prescott Bush was working for the Harriman bank which was closed during a time during ww2 for sending money to Hitler. LaRouche isn't the only one saying this.

Bush's are fascists. Rockefeller isn't Jewish. The banks own USA that is absolute fact that no one can deny. They print the money and every dollar that exists in the USA (electronic or paper) is being rented from private bankers who print it for practically nothing (reserve ratio = 300:1). Bankers make more from every house built, every weapon made or every job ever done than anyone else and that has been true for almost 100 years.

The federal reserve act of 1913 was sneakily signed into law when many congressmen were away for the holidays. At that point & forward the private banks have been in control of the US economy.

Why does Larouche have people working for him from Nazi Germany then. As well why is their so much evidence of Larouche making anit-semitic statements?

Some of LaRouche's most outspoken opponents are to be found among those who remained in the Left, after LaRouche and his followers had moved away from Marxism, as well as among conservatives and liberals. According to Tim Wohlforth and Dennis Tourish:

The parallel between LaRouche's thinking and that of the classical fascist model is striking. LaRouche, like Mussolini and Hitler before him, borrowed from Marx yet changed his theories fundamentally. Most important, Marx's internationalist outlook was abandoned in favor of a narrow nation-state perspective. Marx's goal of abolishing capitalism was replaced by the model of a totalitarian state that directs an economy where ownership of the means of production is still largely in public hands. The corporations and their owners remain in place but have to take their orders from LaRouche. Hitler called the schema "national socialism". LaRouche hopes the term "the American System" will be more acceptable."[24]

As for Prescott Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Bush was a typical New England Republican of his time; as a former banker, he was a pro-business conservative, but held many positions today considered socially moderate. Conservatives distrusted and at times openly opposed him, a pattern that continued with his son.

Bush was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. Bush was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." [2] The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

These claim's are once again coming from far right groups. All of this can be backed up with facts if you follow the link all of the evidence is there.

I dtermined that 911 was an inside job the day it happened. I didn't neeed LaRouche or anyone else to tell me because I saw wtc7 collapse and the only way a building can collapse like that is with controlled demolition. The only people that could wire a government building for controled demolition like that is the US government.

You also believe that the motive for the attack was what Lyndon Larouche has stated. Larouche is considered an anti-semite, and an extremist right wing politician. Your view's have all come from Lyndon Larouche so far, that is why it is important to discuss Larouche since you believe the motive for September 11 is based on who Larouche considers enemies of western civilization.

Why is it that Nizkor and the ADL have all said that Larouche is an extremist and an anti-semite?

But in 1973 NCLC underwent a drastic upheaval. LaRouche suddenly vowed to either destroy or establish his "political hegemony" over the American left. He began talking of the need for rapid industrialization to build the working class. He talked of a historic tactical alliance between revolutionaries, the working class and the forces of industrial capital against the forces of finance capital. He began developing an authoritarian world view with a glorification of historic mission, metaphysical commitment and physical confrontation. He told reporters that only he was capable of bringing revolution and socialism to the United States, and his speeches began to take on the tone and style of a demagogue.

In many ways LaRouche was adopting the same ideas and styles which took National Socialism, and turned it into part of the European fascist movement, and eventually played a key role in Hitler's rise to power in Nazi Germany. In fact, LaRouche was denounced as a neo-Nazi by U.S. Communists following a series of 1973 physical attacks on leftists. To be precise, NCLC members were likened to Hitler's violent Brownshirts.

What happened to cause this dramatic shift? Some say it was a dramatic incident in LaRouche's personal life. In 1972 LaRouche's common-law wife, Carol Schnitzer, left him for a young member of the London NCLC chapter named Christopher White, whom she eventually married. For LaRouche, it was a crushing blow. His first wife Janice had similarly walked out on him a decade earlier, taking with her the couple's young son.

This personal event apparently triggered LaRouche's political metamorphosis. LaRouche went into seclusion in Europe, and defectors tell of his suffering a possible nervous breakdown. In the spring of 1973, he returned. His previous conspiratorial inclinations had now grown into a bizarre tapestry weaving together classical conspiracy theories of the 19th century and post-Marxian economics. He began articulating a `psycho-sexual' theory of political organizing.

Sexism and homophobia became central themes of

the organization's theories. A September 1973 editorial in the NCLC ideological journal Campaigner charged that "Concretely, all across the U.S.A., there are workers who are prepared to fight. They are held back, most immediately, by pressure from their wives. . . ." The problem with making the revolution, LaRouche apparently had concluded, was that women are castrating bitches. One former member left in disgust when she was told women's feelings of degradation in modern society could be traced to the physical placement of female sexual organs near the anus which caused women to confuse sex with excretion.

In an August 16, 1973 internal memo, "The Politics of Male Impotence," LaRouche told his followers:

"The principle source of impotence, both male and female, is the mother. . . .to the extent that my physical powers do not prevent me, I am now confident and capable of ending your political--and sexual-- impotence; the two are interconnected aspects of the same problem. . . . I am going to make you organizers--by taking your bedrooms away from you until you make the step to being effective organizers. What I shall do is to expose to you the cruel fact of your sexual impotence, male and female. . . .I shall destroy your sense of safety in the place to which you ordinarily imagine you can flee. I shall not pull you back from fleeing, but rather destroy the place to which you would attempt to flee."

In a cruel sense, LaRouche was true to his twisted words, those members who challenge the increasingly macabre political and social theories expounded by their leader were confronted by loyalists as politically and sexually inadequate traitors to the cause.

LaRouche also developed a fevered, comprehensive paranoid fantasy about the importance of his role in history--and a militant, new-found resolve to act upon it, wiping out all opposition to his leadership of the U.S. revolutionary movement. The result was Operation Mop-Up. Lyndon LaRouche took his sexual identity crisis into the streets.

LaRouche, never one to miss a cue, soon was running articles in his newspaper New Solidarity with themes that betrayed increasingly bigoted view of Jews and Jewish institutions. By the end of 1976, LaRouche had completed his drift to the extremist-right of the political spectrum where his bigoted conspiracy theories linking international bankers, influential Jewish families, furtive KGB agents, and secret societes found fertile ground.

Soon LaRouche was expounding a view linking certain Jewish institutions and Zionist movements to a plot to destroy Western civilization and usher in a "New Dark Age." Linda Ray thinks that more recent LaRouche converts are not even aware of the group's real history, nor of the cult-like inner circle which controls the secret financial operations.

I am questioning you not on the science of the 9/11 collapse, but on the motive. So far you have given arguments which fall in line with what Lyndon Larouche has argued. Don't you think it's a cause of concern that you are using argument's from a known neo-fascist and anti-semite to support your theory of why the government brought about Sept 11?

As well your defense of Timothy McVeigh who is a known white supremacist and far right wing figure doesn't help out much at all.

Since you have established that the motive was part of the conspiracy that Larouche is describing you have to respond to this.

[Roy Wilson]

You are a demolition expert?

No but he plays one on TV...

I thought maybe one of the cast from Dumber and Dumber

I believe in the Forest Gump principle. Ya talkt to em in the way they understand. Stupid is as stupid does. And yuz does talks stupid.

[PolyNewbie]

CanadianBlue:Since you have established that the motive was part of the conspiracy that Larouche is describing you have to respond to this.

I am not familiar with LaRouches ideas on 911. I have never heard him speak about it.

This thread is about 911. The motive for 911 was to start wars and to make money from futures markets & weapons sales as well as to implement the police state and make the country go broke.

It also distracted everyone froma 2.3 trillion dollar dissapearance announced by Donald Rumsfeld on Sept 10 2001.

[PolyNewbie]

Roy Wilson, CanadianBlue: You are just a couple of idiots. I will not respond to any more posts from you.

[Roy Wilson]

CanadianBlue:Since you have established that the motive was part of the conspiracy that Larouche is describing you have to respond to this.

I am not familiar with LaRouches ideas on 911. I have never heard him speak about it.

This thread is about 911. The motive for 911 was to start wars and to make money from futures markets & weapons sales as well as to implement the police state and make the country go broke.

It also distracted everyone froma 2.3 trillion dollar dissapearance announced by Donald Rumsfeld on Sept 10 2001.

Dont beat yourself up, you know jack about Low Density Explosives either.

[Roy Wilson]

CanadianBlue:Since you have established that the motive was part of the conspiracy that Larouche is describing you have to respond to this.

I am not familiar with LaRouches ideas on 911. I have never heard him speak about it.

This thread is about 911. The motive for 911 was to start wars and to make money from futures markets & weapons sales as well as to implement the police state and make the country go broke.

It also distracted everyone froma 2.3 trillion dollar dissapearance announced by Donald Rumsfeld on Sept 10 2001.

AW I AM CRUSHED

[Canadian Blue]

You guys are giving the level of debate I would expect from a retarded ten year old.

Polynewbie, you have used the same argument's that have been used from a man who has been described as a neo-nazi anti-semite. Are you telling me that you haven't based your theories on Lyndon Larouche, despite having a thread dedicated to his work?

I'm talking about the motive here, and you have come to the defence of Lyndon Larouche as you espouse the same idea's as him on here.

I have shown link's between what you have said, and what Larouche has said.

LaRouche has many connections to the racist political right in this country. Richard Lobenthal, Midwest Regional Director for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, observes that LaRouche security advisor Roy Frankhauser "has been identified as present with other white supremacists at meetings held at the farm of Pastor Bob Miles in Michigan." Leaders of the notoriously racist and anti-Semitic Aryan Nations have attended the same meetings. "Frankhauser's background and connections are myriad, he is obviously a LaRouchite, he is a professed racist and anti-Semite and was a close associate of neo-Nazi leader George Lincoln Rockwell," says Lobenthal.

LaRouche not only works in coalitions with bigots, he has also propounded ideas which are widely perceived to represent outright racism.

LaRouche, for instance, offended the Hispanic community in a November, 1973 essay (published in both English and Spanish) titled "The Male Impotence of the Puerto-Rican Socialist Party." An internal memo by LaRouche asked "Can we imagine anything more viciously sadistic than the Black Ghetto mother?" He described the majority of the Chinese people as "approximating the lower animal species" by manifesting a "paranoid personality. . . .a parallel general form of fundamental distinction from actual human personalities."

LaRouche's use of hysterical Jewish conspiracy theories for ulterior political motives has lead him to be branded an anti-Semite by several major Jewish groups.

One ADL spokesperson, Irwin Suall, was once sued for defamation by LaRouche for calling him a "small time Hitler." The jury ruled against LaRouche. According to LaRouche, only a million and a half Jews perished in the concentration camps, and they died primarily from overwork, disease, and starvation. This denial of the Holocaust is coupled with pronouncements saying there is nothing left of Jewish culture except what couldn't be sold to Gentiles, or claiming British Jews brought Hitler into power.

While many of the ringleaders of the global conspiracy, according to the LaRouche philosophy, are Jewish, members of the LaRouche group rebut charges of anti-Semitism by pointing out that a number of them--including Janice Hart, former Democratic nominee for the Illinois Secretary of State--are Jewish. The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, which has successfully beat back several costly LaRouche lawsuits, rejects this explanation and insists the group is a paranoid, anti-Semitic political cult.

For his part, LaRouche claims to be merely anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. Jewish groups and political scientists acknowledge the important distinction, but LaRouche rhetoric--such as leaflets distributed in California bearing the offensive headline "Smash the Kosher Nostra!" and naming a number of Jewish figures as part of a global conspiracy, leaves little doubt.

Since 1976, the NCLC's ties to anti-Semitic, ultra-right groups and individuals have been well documented. LaRouche associates have cultivated ties to Willis Carto, a notorious racist and anti-Semite who helped found Liberty Lobby and the pseudo-scholarly Institute for Historical Review. This latter group publishes "historical revisionist" literature deriding the Nazi Holocaust as a Jewish hoax.

Former staffers at both the Liberty Lobby and LaRouche's NCLC claim the two groups cooperated closely on several projects. In the March 2, 1981 issue of its newspaper Spotlight, Liberty Lobby cynically defended the relationship this way: "It is mystifying why so many anti-communists and `conservatives' oppose the USLP [u.S. Labor Party --the NCLC's original electoral arm]. No group has done so much to confuse, disorient, and disunify the Left as they have. . .the USLP should be encouraged, as should all similar breakaway groups from the Left, for this is the only way that the Left can be weakened and broken."

Linda Ray, the outspoken former member of the LaRouche group, recently published a first-person account of her experiences in the Chicago-based national weekly In These Times. She recalls that after leaving the group, someone showed her a LaRouche organization pamphlet she had once sold on the street. "In it the Jewish symbol, the Star of David, was used as a centerpiece to point to six different aspects of the illegal drug trade. In this context, the Star of David was a symbol of evil." She was shocked when she realized she had not recognized this while still working with LaRouche.

"Many people find it difficult to understand how Jews--such as I--could have worked for an anti-Semitic group. Perhaps the answer is that the members get so hypnotized by the simplistic `good guys and bad guys' approach to history that they do not hear what LaRouche is really saying."

Ray recalls how LaRouche claimed the British were a different "subhuman species" and how his Campaigner magazine concocted the charge that the British created the Nazi movement."Since the blasts were overtly directed against the British, Jewish members often did not recognize the subliminal anti-Semitism of the attacks. LaRouche, like the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler and Goebbels, was attacking the Rothschilds and other British-Jewish banking interests. In the wake of these anti-Semitic writings, many of us were confused. But we continued to defend LaRouche by lamely saying, `We're not anti-Semitic. So many of our members are Jews. We always say in our publications that we are against the Nazis.'

"I remember reading in detail about the `subhuman species' concept. Although I knew it did not make scientific sense, I presumed that it was a deep intellectual metaphor that was over my head." When Ray left the group and finally came to grips with her role as a Jew working in an anti-Semitic organization, she says "It was as if I was waking from a nig htmlare."

LaRouche's relationship with Blacks--including his own Black NCLC members--is similarly confusing and complex. While LaRouche's writings are replete with racialist assertions extolling white Northern European values at the expense of other ethnic values, he has in some cases succeeded in forging alliances with rightist or opportunist black politicians and civil rights leaders, such as Roy Innis of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) and Hulan Jack, a former Borough president and powerhouse in the New York

Democratic Party. Articles from LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review have appeared in publications of Rev. Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. At the same time they are recruiting Blacks, LaRouche publications praise the wisdom of the Botha government in South Africa, and attack those who protest the system of apartheid.

LaRouchian rhetoric can often offend numerous constituencies simultaneously. The July 7, 1986 issue of the Illinois Tribunal, an insert tucked into LaRouche's New Solidarity (now New Federalist) newspaper, covered the Ku Klux Klan counter rally against Chicago's annual Gay Pride parade by charging: "The idea behind the KKK outburst was--amid heavy media coverage of a mere two dozen Klan demonstrators--to make citizens think anyone who wants to take serious measures against AIDS is a cross-burner and a Nazi. . . .In fact, the Klan does not exist--except as a special dirty-tricks operation of the FBI and the B'nai B'rith's Anti-Defamation League. "

The article went on to say the founders of B'nai B'rith were "about as Jewish as Josef Goebbels."When Illinois Congressman Sidney Yates faced LaRouche-backed challenger Sheila Jones, LaRouche supporters distributed leaflets titled "So, What's A Nice Jewish Boy Doing Supporting Sodomy?" Former Chicago mayor Jane Byrne was targetted in one mayoral race with a LaRouche candidate's campaign slogan of "Byrne the Witch."

In attacking political enemies, LaRouche propoganda often utilizes racist, anti-Jewish, sexist or homophobic stereotypes.

Once again if the level of debate is that of a retarded 10 year old, then why can't you refute these claim's, and why did you defend Larouche?

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=6760

You've made a thread dedicated to Larouche, and said on here you support his beliefs.

[Riverwind]

You do not have to be a mathemetician to know that 2+2 is not 5 and you do not have to know how to wire a building for CD to recognise a CD any more than you have to be an aeronautical engineer to know that houses don't fly.

The problem is you are always throwing around statements like 'it is impossible for ....' and the use your statement as 'proof' for an extremely implausible theory. It is irrational to think that the gov't blew up those buildings - however, you insist that nothing else could be true. You _are_ a person who insists 2+2=5 and defends your position by calling anyone who disagrees a dupe of the gov't.

Most people know better and don't bother to argue because they realize that it is impossible to argue with somebody who refuses to see what it obvious to everyone else. I got sucked in because I thought you might be able to follow a concrete example that demonstrates how progressive collapses occur. Unfortunately, that ended when I realized your paranoia prevents you from accepting anything that might disrupt your delusions.

I disagree with many people on this forum but I can always see the rationality behind their arguments even if I disagree with them. Your arguments are completely irrational - you probably need professional help. You should rent a copy of 'Beautiful Mind'.

[Canadian Blue]

Roy Wilson, CanadianBlue: You are just a couple of idiots. I will not respond to any more posts from you.

So far I have brought forward a strong case against what you believe the motive behind September 11 was and you refuse to answer it. If you can't defend your own conspiracy theories then what's the point of debating on here.

[Canadian Blue]

Riverwind start asking about the motive behind September 11 and the conspiracy theories Polynewbie has been talking about which are inline with what Lyndon Larouche believes. Start asking question's as to why such theories are so anti-semitic, and why polynewbie refuses to answer any question's with regards to Lyndon Larouche, a man who Polynewbie fully supports.

[Canadian Blue]

I have been listening to LaRouche and reading his materials and he keeps saying the Bush administration are behind NAZI ideas and have a NAZI background. There is lots of historical evidence to support this (not just hit pieces). Prescott Bush was working for the Harriman bank which was closed during a time during ww2 for sending money to Hitler. LaRouche isn't the only one saying this.

I haven't found much evidence, other than hit pieces be some far right groups against George Bush Sr. I've posted the link about Prescott Bush and you have yet to respond to it. As well the ADL has said that Prescott Bush is not a nazi sympathizer, and their is no proof that he ever was one as Prescott Bush was a social moderate.

I am not familiar with LaRouches ideas on 911. I have never heard him speak about it.

This thread is about 911. The motive for 911 was to start wars and to make money from futures markets & weapons sales as well as to implement the police state and make the country go broke.

That's odd since many of your theories revolve around the same idea's that Larouche has talked about. What benefit would their be for making the country go broke, I think thats more from mismanagement than anything else. As for the police state, you still haven't provided the statute which says the government can kill people without trial.

Once again Polynewbie before you call us idiot's, why don't you answer the question's instead of constantly dodging them.