Melanie_ Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Adel - If the only reason people don't lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder is because they are afraid of what will happen to them in the afterlife, that is the biggest example of behaving out of self interest yet. Do some reading on Lawrence Kohlberg's theory of moral development - behaving in a "moral" way solely to avoid punishment is at the bottom of the scale. W.C. Crain. (1985). Theories of Development. Prentice-Hall. pp. 118-136. At stage 1 children think of what is right as that which authority says is right. Doing the right thing is obeying authority and avoiding punishment. At stage 2, children are no longer so impressed by any single authority; they see that there are different sides to any issue. Since everything is relative, one is free to pursue one's own interests, although it is often useful to make deals and exchange favors with others.At stages 3 and 4, young people think as members of the conventional society with its values, norms, and expectations. At stage 3, they emphasize being a good person, which basically means having helpful motives toward people close to one At stage 4, the concern shifts toward obeying laws to maintain society as a whole. At stages 5 and 6 people are less concerned with maintaining society for it own sake, and more concerned with the principles and values that make for a good society. At stage 5 they emphasize basic rights and the democratic processes that give everyone a say, and at stage 6 they define the principles by which agreement will be most just. (Kohlberg, 1958b). Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
Canadian Blue Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Evolution seem's to make the most sense to me, I don't believe that life began 6,000 years ago. As for religion, I don't consider myself religious since I think that every religion has something valuable to teach humanity. However we should remember that all religious texts are very human, and are susceptible to errors and mistakes. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
theloniusfleabag Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 but it is not your right to prevent people from expressing themselvesEven if that form of expression is being a prolific internet troll? Correct, it's is the Moderator's right. I hope he shall exercise that right at his earliest convenience. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
Adel Posted March 19, 2007 Author Report Posted March 19, 2007 ..behaving in a "moral" way solely to avoid punishment is at the bottom of the scale I completely agree… If I said believers obey God because they are afraid of Him only I am completely mistaken… If you know how much we love God and how much believer even cry at night when thinking about him and when contemplating about Him and His blessings on the whole universe, you would not have said that… They cannot wait to meet their beloved God…. Quote
Adel Posted March 19, 2007 Author Report Posted March 19, 2007 I don't believe that life began 6,000 years ago Who on earth said that life began 6,000 years ago… However we should remember that all religious texts are very human, and are susceptible to errors and mistakes Saying that all religious texts are very human and are susceptible to errors and mistakes is unaccepted exaggeration…. Holy Quran is clearly the same book word by word since prophet Mohammed died … Hundreds or millions of people memorized it word by word and during any prayer if the person leading the prayer makes a mistake even in one word or even in the grammar, everyone behind him – even kids of 10 years old – would correct him… Quote
Mad_Michael Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Base on previous debate about evolution, all supporters of evolution theory say that we were not created as human beings but just a step in a long process of evolution…So regarding ourselves as we came into being by chance as animals who developed by means of the fight for survival…. Beautiful human meanings and morals are just a myth. There is nothing as love, caring, justice, equality, freedom, and family….etc. All is a myth… Evolutionary theory does not preclude the existence of these things. Alternatively, asserting that God-Creation is necessary for these things to exist is hilarious and bizarre. Quote
Guthrie Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Base on previous debate about evolution, all supporters of evolution theory say that we were not created as human beings but just a step in a long process of evolution…So regarding ourselves as we came into being by chance as animals who developed by means of the fight for survival…. Beautiful human meanings and morals are just a myth. There is nothing as love, caring, justice, equality, freedom, and family….etc. All is a myth… Now do the evolutionists know the heavy price human beings are paying – and will pay – for this? I doubt… So - according to them – what is the problem of killing weak people if you are strong? What is problem if a strong country invades a less developed one and destroy all weak -not fittest – people? Nothing is wrong with that from their point of view… According to Darwin, at some point in the future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes… will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. This may shed some light on all kind of savage invasions from strong countries against weak ones. There is no wonder why “fittest” people “here” are humans and worth living, but other people “there” are just numbers and are “not fittest” are not worth living… Again Now do the evolutionists know the heavy price human beings are paying – and will pay – for their theory? This kind of broad silliness wouldn't make a script for Davey and Goliath Exterminate???? No, Darwin never predicted any extermination nor any particular method of extinction --- only adaptation to evolving habitats -- this hollywood script you use to replace science can only be of service by having it's printout line the bottom of, perhaps, a Finch's cage Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
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