Cop Charged With Torture

[BayLee]

Canadian Blue asked on the previous page for links to the Ian Bush killing. Anyone who does not

Well, provide a link if it's that much of a terrible miscarriage of justice. How are we supposed to make judgements without knowing the full aspects of the case.

Well not WE,it is you.Most people know about this rookie cop who was embaressed by Ian in small town Houston BC .

See no one knew this rookie cop,everyone knew and respected Ian.

This cop decided to play tough man and hauled Ian into the station for the despicable crime of drinking a beer in a parking lot at a hockey rink between periods.

Shortly after this cop shot Ian not once,but twice in the back of the head and claimed self defence.

Because the inquiry ( cop investigating cop) was such a joke and everyone knows it,this case is far from over.

As for being in trouble?

Not at all.Just dont like people who I help pay think they are so much better than ordinary people and who far too often get away with murder and other violent crimes

[guyser]

Well not WE,it is you.Most people know about this rookie cop who was embaressed by Ian in small town Houston BC .

See no one knew this rookie cop,everyone knew and respected Ian.

This cop decided to play tough man and hauled Ian into the station for the despicable crime of drinking a beer in a parking lot at a hockey rink between periods.

Shortly after this cop shot Ian not once,but twice in the back of the head and claimed self defence.

Because the inquiry ( cop investigating cop) was such a joke and everyone knows it,this case is far from over.

As for being in trouble?

Any chance you could enlighten us about YOUR agenda ?

I dont ever recall hearing about "Ian Bush" , I guess I am a moron too?

But I decided to look this case up. Interesting it is.

Anyhow, why not be honest about this? Ian was arrested for lying to police and not for just for the beer.But put those two offences together and ...well you get arrested. Either one , more than likely get off.Ian Bush apparently put up a little fight in the back of the police car...according to non police witnesses.

He also had significant amounts of alcohol in his system.

The cop had verifiable bruising on his face.

But what ruins any credibility you may have had is this.......... I could not find any newspaper account of TWO bullets in Ian's head. Just one.

Be angry if thats what you want. There seems to be some suspicion as to the RCMP handling of this, but for gods sake dont make up lies about it.

Now who looks like a joke now???

[BayLee]

I dont ever recall hearing about "Ian Bush" , I guess I am a moron too?

But I decided to look this case up. Interesting it is.

Anyhow, why not be honest about this? Ian was arrested for lying to police and not for just for the beer.But put those two offences together and ...well you get arrested.

The cop had verifiable bruising on his face.

Moron???

Gee,maybe you should try to think a little

I said earlier the rookie cop was embarresed by Ian.

The cop asked Ian his name,Ian lied and gave him the name of the friend standing next to him.Everyone laughed at the cop.Another cop came over and told the rookie why they were laughing at him.The rookie who knew no one in the town but everyone else knew each other decided to play tough and arrested Ian for drinking in a public place.

What else is interesting about your post is the enquiry the cops did on themselves has not been released to the public.

As for you never having heard about this case.

I guess thats becase some people dont care and ignore stories about cops killing kids for something as nothing as this

Well in your case you seem to think lieing to a cop is a good reason to die

[Canadian Blue]

The cop asked Ian his name,Ian lied and gave him the name of the friend standing next to him.Everyone laughed at the cop.Another cop came over and told the rookie why they were laughing at him.The rookie who knew no one in the town but everyone else knew each other decided to play tough and arrested Ian for drinking in a public place.

Wow, sounds like a real winner.

Why don't you give us a link instead of telling all of this stuff off the top of you're head so we can make a judgement on the facts.

As for you never having heard about this case.

I guess thats becase some people dont care and ignore stories about cops killing kids for something as nothing as this

We only have one side of the story, and you obviously have a hatred of cops, probably based on a speeding ticket or failure to take responsibility for your own actions.

From what I've read Ian Bush had attacked the constable in the police station, and the police officer shot back in self defense. If you attack a cop, then you should expect them to act in self defence.

Well in your case you seem to think lieing to a cop is a good reason to die

No, but attacking a police officer can result in death and injury.

[guyser]

Moron???

Gee,maybe you should try to think a little

I said earlier the rookie cop was embarresed by Ian.

The cop asked Ian his name,Ian lied and gave him the name of the friend standing next to him.Everyone laughed at the cop.Another cop came over and told the rookie why they were laughing at him.The rookie who knew no one in the town but everyone else knew each other decided to play tough and arrested Ian for drinking in a public place.

What else is interesting about your post is the enquiry the cops did on themselves has not been released to the public.

As for you never having heard about this case.

I guess thats becase some people dont care and ignore stories about cops killing kids for something as nothing as this

Well in your case you seem to think lieing to a cop is a good reason to die

Moron...that was a mistake on my part, should have said I was in denial. Sorry about that.

But lets move on shall we?

I am trying to think here, honestly, I am. I am thinking why did you not answer the above post of mine with rebuttal about your falsely "padding the account " of Ian's untimely demise ?

Ian was arrested for supplying a false name and for drinking a beer in public space. Come on, quit trying to dodge that fact. Ian openly embarassed the cop , and everyone laughed around the cop. Oh...bad ju ju for Ian. Now how is that cop to have any credibility as an authority figure if he walks off and people are laughing at him? Arresting him I agree with, booking him after I can easily see being waived off once everyone calms down.

Some of your logic leaps are way off. I never said lying to a cop is a reason to die. It is a sure way to get arrested and when or if things get totally out of hand someone dies well......that can happen.

And I will never back a policeforce investigating the same policeforce. And it seems this was not done here too?

So, why pad the account of this mans demise? Does it make for a better story that way, the hell with the truth?

[Canadian Blue]

I agree with a civilian oversight into police matters. But the problem is we have too many ignorant dumbasses who make innane comment's out there and come to a conclusion before we know all the facts. Notice how nothing was said about Ian's behavior with the police officer by the poster. Not to mention the fact the poster hates police officers, it doesn't really give him much credibility.

[BayLee]

I am trying to think here, honestly, I am. I am thinking why did you not answer the above post of mine with rebuttal about your falsely "padding the account " of Ian's untimely demise ?

And I will never back a policeforce investigating the same policeforce. And it seems this was not done here too?

Padding the account?

You somehow come up with the cop having bruises on his face that supposedly came from Ian?

And you basically say the cops did not investigate themselves when you say ..

" And it seems this was not done here "

HMMMM

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The RCMP recently completed its investigation and sent a report to Vancouver, where, the Bush family has been told, it likely will be reviewed by another agency, in this case the police force in neighbouring New Westminster.

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Funny the cops say....

"At some point, a violent struggle broke out."

But yet...

"He was taken to the station's interview room, where a small couch sits against a wall beneath a video camera. The camera was not turned on."

No camera on?Why not?

One person dead,The only other person in the room was the killer but somehow the report says a violent struggle broke out.

Now who do you suppose supplied that piece of evidence???

[Canadian Blue]

Didn't the crown look into the case, and said their was no evidence of wrong doing???

You somehow come up with the cop having bruises on his face that supposedly came from Ian?

Drunks can get violent.

By the way Ian, why do you hate everybody that seem's to protect you. You hate police officers, who are really the only line we have between anarchy and order, you hate soldier's, who ensure the defence of our country. What do you got against those two groups?

[guyser]

Padding the account?

You somehow come up with the cop having bruises on his face that supposedly came from Ian?

And you basically say the cops did not investigate themselves when you say ..

" And it seems this was not done here "

HMMMM

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The RCMP recently completed its investigation and sent a report to Vancouver, where, the Bush family has been told, it likely will be reviewed by another agency, in this case the police force in neighbouring New Westminster.

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Funny the cops say....

"At some point, a violent struggle broke out."

But yet...

"He was taken to the station's interview room, where a small couch sits against a wall beneath a video camera. The camera was not turned on."

No camera on?Why not?

One person dead,The only other person in the room was the killer but somehow the report says a violent struggle broke out.

Now who do you suppose supplied that piece of evidence???

I would rather not ask, but is there a disconnect with your reading ?

Padding the account...yes that is true. You said he fired two bullets into the back of Ian's head. Nope sorry, only one bullet in the newspaper account. (are they lying too?) You said Ian was arrested for the one beer, yet conveniently ignored/left out/padded the true account.

The article said the cop had verifiable bruising on his face. Since there are only two people in the room, did the cop run himself into a wall? Could Ian have inflicted harm in his drunken pissed off state? Sure he could have.

I will give you that it was the RCMP who investigated this . What I meant was not the same detachment , which is kind of convenient for me now, so instead I will just say ok , your right.

The camera was not on. It would not be on 24-7 , and in light of there being no one else in the station, then perhaps he did not have time, or forgot, or was not sure of his duties. So yes, it looks bad, but I am not about to make the leap that it was a conspiracy perpetrated by the RCMP to not tape it. Maybe he was trying to seat Ian and then turn the camera on...and Ian snapped, who knows, but in and of itself there is no way to know.

As for your last paragraph, I have no idea what you are getting at.

I can think of at least one scenario where all this is probable. Ian freaked, tried to hit cop, tried to reach for gun, gun gets dischareged and hits Ian. Ian dead.

The blood spatter test will reveal a ton of info, and the longer the report stays secret, the worse it gets for the RCMP.

And I may be way off base on my estimations. But until it does, no one has the right to call that RCMP a murderer.

You included.

[BayLee]

"I would rather not ask, but is there a disconnect with your reading ?

Padding the account...yes that is true. You said he fired two bullets into the back of Ian's head. Nope sorry, only one bullet in the newspaper account."

Well excuse me.This murder happened like 2 years ago.If it were one bullet(maybe) then so be it.I

guess that would make the cop less evil if he only shot him once in the back of the head?

"The article said the cop had verifiable bruising on his face. Since there are only two people in the room, did the cop run himself into a wall?"

( wouldnt be the first time someone inflicted injury on themself to cover up their crime)

I think I missed that.Link please.

Maybe his girl freind punched him earlier in the day for being a jerk

Funny,you say because there was only 2 people in the room we should take his word as to where his bruises came from and why he killed Ian.

In other words you are saying this guy wouldnt lie.

I have a cat scratch on me now.Can I blame that on someone else if I got mad at someone?

" can think of at least one scenario where all this is probable. Ian freaked, tried to hit cop, tried to reach for gun, gun gets dischareged and hits Ian. Ian dead."

Ian reached for the gun in a holster and shot himself in the back of the head????

this ,as was the case in New West,is yet another case of a cop going beserk and losing it and shooting someone.

Ordinary people do it all the time.Many a person who normally would not commit a crime lose it for a moment and do something stupid.

People like you seem to think cops are something special and would never do no harm

[guyser]

Ordinary people do it all the time.Many a person who normally would not commit a crime lose it for a moment and do something stupid.

People like you seem to think cops are something special and would never do no harm

I only quoted the pertinent parts of your post. But let me touch on some others. He could very well have had those scratches imposed by his girlfriend. But then we would know that because all the fine citizens of Houston would have remembered that and said so. So for now, I shall assume it was as a result of the fight.

Of course a gun can go off and hit the back of the head. Maybe he was warned not to reach for it and was recoiling as the gun was brought up. Either way, it is not known one way or another, in other words, neither you or I can make any assumptions. And I haven't. You have and you also have no idea what went on in there, same as me.

If you think I am some cop apologist, join me in a loud chuckle will you? I can bash them as good as anyone for their misgivings, for the thin blue line, for their diminished lack of cred. A very close friend of mine is a Sargeant with TO police. You want to sit in on our arguments sometime? If you read some other threads you would realize I think Fantino, who is Chief of the OPP is the biggest lying scumbag there is. He is not fit to pick up my garbage.

Cops get the breaks , big deal, so do Doctors, so do mechanics....every one gets the breaks as it pertains to their industry. I can tell you it is virtually impossible to find a cops MVR with a ticket on it. (unless of course it is TO cop being pulled over by York Regional) It is what it is.

[Wilber]

Like I said,a non moving stolen vehicle.

As for the ramming,that was what this now discredited cop said was his reason for putting a bullet into the head of a 16 year old boy who was just sitting in the passenger seat.

This cop freaked and opened fire on a car that was going no where.

This is now his 3rd crime.

Even the chief of the New West police force is saying he is happy to be rid of this rambo

Anyone with one good eye could tell you if the police car had been rammed. An experienced investigator could tell you how many times. If there was an officer in the car at the time, he would know it. It would not be difficult to verify or dispute this claim.

No one is a criminal until they are convicted. That is fundamental to our system. Even for you.

Regarding the latest incident, it was investigated by another police department which recommended charges. Those charges have been laid and it is in the hands of the courts. Even cops are entitled to due process.

I haven't heard the Chief's comments but if what you say is so, it would seem he will get his wish. In this case at least, the system is working. Not as quick as you would like perhaps but what in our legal system does.

[geoffrey]

Baylee seems like an ideally suited person for a country where rule of law is not a big deal... take Russia, where you have to pay the police to leave you alone... or hmm... Afghanistan where there is no police... or... the Congo, where the police will kill ya if you look at them the wrong way.

I really can't stand people that are so disrespectful to our police officers. I know she'd complain if she ever was assaulted and they weren't there in a second to save her.

It's also not too unreasonable to assume that those that disrespect police officers likely see the worst side of the law, if I were a cop, I'd have zero patience for a smart ass to be lipping me off like that.

[Canadian Blue]

People like you seem to think cops are something special and would never do no harm

No, I realize they are like everybody else with the exception they deal with children getting raped, deadbeat parents, suicides, murders, assualts, sex crimes, notifying families of dead loved ones, etc. I'd think that can take a toll on any person.

The difference between the rest of us, and you, is that we aren't quick to judge somebody based on the little facts we know. Even with any other profession the due process of the law has to be in place. All you're doing is calling for blood and nothing else. Whenever a police shooting happen's I hear people say, "well he should have shot him in the hand", which only proves the ignorance of some of the public.

[PolyNewbie]

What about the guy ( Todd ? Bush) who was shot in the back of the head in BC in a police station after being arrested for having a beer outside a hockey arena. If the police are defnding themselves by execution style killings inside police stations where only they have physical and firepower you know these are dangerous people. Police claimed the shootiong was in self defence but the kid was not a trouble maker and was not involved in any violent crime.

I was at a protest aginst the Afghan war in Toronto. They were lined up across the road with machine guns and masks.

Welcome to the North American Union. By the time enough people wake up they will have cameras everywhere and automated sytems of control. Cops now have microwave guns and sound cannons to control unapproved prtotesting. Its the beginning of tyranny.

[Argus]

Yes, life is very funny but our joke is on us.

You could also say that in the last year we have seen many (place name of group here) charged with

No. There is a big difference.

No, none.

You neglect to mention that the cops hold a violent monopoly on their employment. Furthermore, their employment is a monopoly on violence.

You forget to take into account that we all screw up at work. That in every profession there are going to be fools, idiots, lazy people, people who take short cuts, and people who should never have been there. There are all kinds of doctors who scrape by with barely adequate knowledge, some of whom are responsible for killing or seriously damaging their patients. Only a minuscule number ever get punished for this. There are all kinds of incompetent, crooked, lazy, stupid, thieving lawyers, and few get more than a slap on the wrist because they know how to work the system. Of course there are lazy cops. Of course there are stupid ones, ones who take short cuts, ones who lack judgment. Just like in any profession. You just hear about them more when it's cops because their work does involved violence, and the media loves stories that involve violence.

[Argus]

Other than the suspected criminal was native, and the cop was presumably white, where is the suggestion of racism?

When Dudley George was killed there was tape recorded evidence and other evidence presented at the inquiry to suggest that some, if not many of the cops there were racially motivated.

No, there was none, actually.

Well yes there was actually.

I would say where on the tape one cop being heard saying give them ( the natives) some whiskey,that will settle them down is a good example

Why would that be a good example? Alcoholism is endemic on native reservations.

Besides which, when you have two groups of mostly young men in opposition for any length of time, especially if it involves any kind of violence you are going to get antipathy between them. Let me put it another way. Suppose instead of natives, the people on the other side were fat men, or bald men, or very short men. Do you not think the cops would be sneering at them over these visible aspects of who they were? It doesn't matter if they're black, fat, short, tall, Ukrainian, Jews, Natives, or Irish, the cops are going to be, among themselves, as young men do, cutting them down in their conversations. That's just human nature.

[Argus]

Didn't the crown look into the case, and said their was no evidence of wrong doing???

You somehow come up with the cop having bruises on his face that supposedly came from Ian?

Drunks can get violent.

By the way Ian, why do you hate everybody that seem's to protect you.

I'm guessing he's been arrested a time or two.

[PolyNewbie]

The police are not really police anymore. You can't just go down to the station and report a crime. The desk sargeants job is to just make you go away, not listen to your evidence. On the other hand they do have the time to point machine guns at peaceful protesters that protest against war crimes. What does this tell you ? The police are being molded into our imperial guard.

[PolyNewbie]

Argus:Only a minuscule number ever get punished for this. There are all kinds of incompetent, crooked, lazy, stupid, thieving lawyers, and few get more than a slap on the wrist because they know how to work the system.

They also cannot be prosecuted for wrong doing through normal channels. They have the law society to protect lawyers from the public. The law society provides a slippery layer of scum that protects lawyers from decent people and from responsibility and it works very well for them. Canadian lawyers can pretty much do whatever they want.

Of course there are lazy cops. Of course there are stupid ones, ones who take short cuts, ones who lack judgment. Just like in any profession. You just hear about them more when it's cops because their work does involved violence, and the media loves stories that involve violence.

There are cops that have less respect for the law and are as likely to make something up to charge you with as they are to make legitimate arrests. They gratuitously break the law in groups and in open public and they will threaten to make something up to charge you with if they do not like your attitude toward their disrespect for the law. Its not the lazy or stupid ones that bother me.

[BayLee]

Lets recap.

After the rookie cop blew away Ian,a very well respected young man in the town who had never once been in trouble.An athlete,a hard worker at the mill,it took the cops a full week to explain why Ian was killed.

A week?

Time to get stories straight I would suspect.

Just as in New West BC

When the cop,Todd Sweet blew away the passenger in the non moving vehicle,he fired radomly at the vehicle filled with young people,killing the one.

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"This isn't Sweet's first or last brush with the law, as he had been the focus of at least two lawsuits accusing him of improper police conduct.

Even the police chief was forced to admit he couldn't remember another officer during his 10 years on the job who had been in the papers as much as Sweet."

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It took the New West cops 5 days to explain why this cop opened fire on the non moving vehicle.

If as he said he opened fire rambo style on this car because he was concerned about the safety of another cop in the cruiser,why wait almost a week to say so.When asked the next day why,why was the answert no comment.

Time to get the story right Again I suspect.The cop Sweet was a known trouble making cop prior to the killing and now that he is up on charges finally for assault ,it is obvious the person should never have been a cop,and a young boy would be alive.

Then there is the Jeff Berg fiasco.

Beaten to death by Vancouver city cops afew years ago

A young man again,doing as he was told.Arms in the air,legs spread bent over a vehicle.

With several witnesses watching, (from a nearby apartment unknown to the cops) the cops proceeded to beat him to the ground including a blow to the back of the head.

With a witness video cam rolling,the cops were seen to kick Jeff when he was down.

Then ignoring his non moving body

Afterwards he died in his cell.

A coroners report ruled it a homicide and he died as a result of a blow to the back of his head.

The cops investigated themselves,and conclude the cops acted properly

Properly?

Witnesses and caught on film say otherwise.

One can only be amazed that the cops who beat up those guys in Stanly Park were convicted.

Of course they were only convicted because another cop,a young one, who witnessed the beatings testified against him.

Guess who is no longer a cop?

As an afterthought on the killing of Ian...

"While wanting to show fairness, the RCMP are having the New Westminister Police review their findings and investigation procedures before giving the report to Crown Counsel for consideration of possible charges. This is in spite of the fact that the RCMP are investigating the New Westminister Police over their own questionable police shooting.

[Slavik44]

Baylee seems like an ideally suited person for a country where rule of law is not a big deal... take Russia, where you have to pay the police to leave you alone... or hmm... Afghanistan where there is no police... or... the Congo, where the police will kill ya if you look at them the wrong way.

I really can't stand people that are so disrespectful to our police officers. I know she'd complain if she ever was assaulted and they weren't there in a second to save her.

It's also not too unreasonable to assume that those that disrespect police officers likely see the worst side of the law, if I were a cop, I'd have zero patience for a smart ass to be lipping me off like that.

I don't know Geoffrey, I certainly don't hate cops, but I certainly don't trust them. Its nothing against cops, I also don't trust politicians, its also nothing directly against such individuals. But I do believe that as a person's power over your life grows, your trust of them should decline and the responding level of accountability should rise. In the case of the police, this required accountability should be extremley high. This should be common sense.

As well I would have to ask who says the rule of law entails giving the police a blank check to do with as they wish? The rule of law should apply to every one, and if police are suspected of dirty dealings, I see no reason why people cannot voice their concerns.

If a police officer came to search my car, I have or should have every right to ask why. Should I not be able to do so with out fear for repercussions or a hot headed police officer losing patience with me? According to you, you would have no patience for that so called lip. Allow me to suggest that such actions are moreso indicitave of a police state. The role of the police is to serve...

Now the question is who do they serve? The independent citizens of their jurisdictions? In which case the police should be investigated by independant bodies and boards. Or do the serve themselves, in which case they would investigate themselves.

[geoffrey]

Now the question is who do they serve? The independent citizens of their jurisdictions? In which case the police should be investigated by independant bodies and boards. Or do the serve themselves, in which case they would investigate themselves.

Independant boards... ok. I'm fine with that.

I'm not saying that we should give the Police total control. I'm saying people that refer to Constables in general as things and terrible torture types are generally the type that are in trouble with the law. I've had no issue with police before, and I think that might have something to do with my respect towards them, I've been in a few encounters with them.

I have no reason to question their professionalism, I've never seen anything to the contrary. They are in a position where their percieved authority means their life or their death. They have to be hard asses all the time. I understand that and accept it.

If a cop tortures someone, as the accusation is here, that'd sad and if the cop is guilty he needs to be dealt with like anyone else. But there are tens of thousands of excellent, professional cops in Canada. One bad apple here doesn't reflect on the other thousands that protect you and I everyday.

[Canadian Blue]

I was at a protest aginst the Afghan war in Toronto. They were lined up across the road with machine guns and masks.

Welcome to the North American Union. By the time enough people wake up they will have cameras everywhere and automated sytems of control. Cops now have microwave guns and sound cannons to control unapproved prtotesting. Its the beginning of tyranny.

Microwave guns, sound gun's, what the fuck are you talking about.

After the rookie cop blew away Ian,a very well respected young man in the town who had never once been in trouble.An athlete,a hard worker at the mill,it took the cops a full week to explain why Ian was killed.

A week?

Time to get stories straight I would suspect.

Or complete a full investigation instead of coming to a quick conclusion.

Just as in New West BC

When the cop,Todd Sweet blew away the passenger in the non moving vehicle,he fired radomly at the vehicle filled with young people,killing the one.

I'm not going to respond since you can't come up with a link, so as in the previous came you are simply hiding some facts from us.

It took the New West cops 5 days to explain why this cop opened fire on the non moving vehicle.

If as he said he opened fire rambo style on this car because he was concerned about the safety of another cop in the cruiser,why wait almost a week to say so.When asked the next day why,why was the answert no comment.

Time to get the story right Again I suspect.The cop Sweet was a known trouble making cop prior to the killing and now that he is up on charges finally for assault ,it is obvious the person should never have been a cop,and a young boy would be alive.

An investigation takes time my ignorant friend.

Beaten to death by Vancouver city cops afew years ago

A young man again,doing as he was told.Arms in the air,legs spread bent over a vehicle.

With several witnesses watching, (from a nearby apartment unknown to the cops) the cops proceeded to beat him to the ground including a blow to the back of the head.

With a witness video cam rolling,the cops were seen to kick Jeff when he was down.

Then ignoring his non moving body

Afterwards he died in his cell.

A coroners report ruled it a homicide and he died as a result of a blow to the back of his head.

The cops investigated themselves,and conclude the cops acted properly

Properly?

You're hiding facts from us again which is why you can't give us a link. I know you're pissed off about a speeding ticket or something, so the last thing you want is for police to be given due process, but for the rest of us, lets see all of the facts.

[guyser]

What about the guy ( Todd ? Bush) who was shot in the back of the head in BC in a police station after being arrested for having a beer outside a hockey arena. If the police are defnding themselves by execution style killings inside police stations where only they have physical and firepower you know these are dangerous people. Police claimed the shootiong was in self defence but the kid was not a trouble maker and was not involved in any violent crime.

I was at a protest aginst the Afghan war in Toronto. They were lined up across the road with machine guns and masks.

I see you went to the Baylee school of reading did you? He was arrested for a beer...?...right...??....okey dokey there Poly.

Can you please go and tell the investigators that you "know" the man in question , Ian , was shot execution style. They are having a bit of a hard time coming up with the truth, and since you were there obviously, it would be a big help. Thanks, let us know how it goes will you?

They lined up with machine guns and masks , and nary a one took a shot at you? Well damn, did they miss or were they there for crowd control only. Let me guess, you were there with a kerchief over your face like those pussies all over the world do , weren't you?

Does all this tie in with the 9-11 collapse, the NWO , or the Bankers are screwing us conspiracy?