Mulroney says: "It's the environment, stupid!"

[mikedavid00]

Emissions

USA 6746

EU 4030

China 3650

Russia 1880

India 1228

Japan 1224

Indonesia 904

Canada 740

Mexico 686

That underlines what I've been saying. We shouldn't concern ourselves with this. I think 2050 is a perfect target for greenhouse gasses since we aren't even a major player and I'm not even fully sold on the theory anyhow.

Use logic.

[Saturn]

Emissions

USA 6746

EU 4030

China 3650

Russia 1880

India 1228

Japan 1224

Indonesia 904

Canada 740

Mexico 686

That underlines what I've been saying. We shouldn't concern ourselves with this. I think 2050 is a perfect target for greenhouse gasses since we aren't even a major player and I'm not even fully sold on the theory anyhow.

Use logic.

US 24.09

Canada 23.45

China 3.05

EU 10.74

Mexico 7.04

Well, the fact we are not concerned with it should sure give the Chinese a big push to concern themselves with it. Especially seeing that a Canadian contributes 7 times as much GHGs as a Chinese person does, the Chinese will be right on it.

[Argus]

Kyoto may well be flawed, so are alot BS that we get like the Lumber Deal, the NAFTA deal, (undermined by the Lumber deal), the War in Afghanistan, etc.

Bad deals are a part of life.

So you work to improve them or walk away from them.

Implement Kyoto,

No.

which in environmental terms is doing something,

of value? There's precious little evidence of that.

[watching&waiting]

The only reason that Canada was so important for the green people was that we were a major industrialized country that swallowed the Kyroto Protocol completely without really looking at the science of it. Now that we have had a change of government, and cooler heads, we can see the large flaws in the whole protocol.

Ambrose did not do a very good job of selling her Clean Air Act, but what she should have told all those who were giving her a rough time, that just about every one of the worlds countries have a 50 year plan to cleaning up their own pollution, so we need not take any crap from those who can not do it any sooner as well. Canada does not contribute largely to the total contribution to the causes of greenhouse gases, and you only need to look around to see that the science community will not come forward and give absolute answers to questions. All answers are given in a qualifying type way, such as " If we continue to add to our present level of emmissions, and they add up over the next 100 years". The trouble is even the last 100 yeras nothing has been additive or gained in any given way. So yes the science is bad and the models are not what they appear to be. If you look at what they are saying as well it just does not make sense. The global temperature will rise 5 degrees. So what, have you ever saw a time when temperature rising 5 degrees harmed anyone. Now if it went down 5 degrees some people could freeze if they are careless, but not if they have time to react. Last summer we saw great growing weather for most of Canada, and it was a summer that was slightly warmer then most. Did that devastate anyone? Here in Canada thay say that the artic will be icefree in the summers by 2060 etc. I say that is a good thing as it will allow us better access to the resources there and to build easier in the good weather for the cold winters etc. It will also save billions of gallons of feul for boats that will use it to get to and from Europe and Asia.

Our Clean Air Act addresses the real polution and yes it does have a green house emmissions in it, but not the really aggressive cost the bank type that Kyoto has. It addresses the problems in a 50 year plan that does not cost us in trouble or money. It falls right within the time table for action to be done. So what is it that people can not get over. In Canada the one thing that we can not get around is the fact that we are a large country with a spread out population. So manufacturers have to ship over long distances and that takes fuel and that can not be helped. We need to become more aware of the rest of the country out there and we need to understand that while the majority of the Canadian population is in southern Ont. The rest is not even close to being like that. Polution in most of Canada is not a big problem for industries out west etc. The only consequences are the health aspects. But in southern Ont pollution is so thick that many people can not cope with it and yes many just have to move away from there. There are no sure bets of how to deal with this area, but it will take lots of technology to make it better and even then it will still be very bad for those with health problems. The Clean Air Act does address this and there fore should be welcomed by people not loathed by them. It is only politics that has this loathing as the plan itself is very good at what it was designed to do.

[madmax]

Kyoto may well be flawed, so are alot BS that we get like the Lumber Deal, the NAFTA deal, (undermined by the Lumber deal), the War in Afghanistan, etc.

Bad deals are a part of life.

So you work to improve them or walk away from them.

Implement Kyoto,

No.

which in environmental terms is doing something,

of value? There's precious little evidence of that.

You have badly misrepresented my quotes in editing my words to suit your needs.

You don't need to change what I said to make your points. Particularly when you drop the very words I say, and then put the very same slant in your own answer, that I had in mine. You are arguing with me in the quotes, when you actually agree with what I have said in the original posting.

[mikedavid00]

Emissions

USA 6746

EU 4030

China 3650

Russia 1880

India 1228

Japan 1224

Indonesia 904

Canada 740

Mexico 686

That underlines what I've been saying. We shouldn't concern ourselves with this. I think 2050 is a perfect target for greenhouse gasses since we aren't even a major player and I'm not even fully sold on the theory anyhow.

Use logic.

US 24.09

Canada 23.45

China 3.05

EU 10.74

Mexico 7.04

Well, the fact we are not concerned with it should sure give the Chinese a big push to concern themselves with it. Especially seeing that a Canadian contributes 7 times as much GHGs as a Chinese person does, the Chinese will be right on it.

You can twist the numbers all you want to co-inside with your emotions.

FACT IS:

CANADA IS NOT A MAJOR PRODUCER IN GHG. IT"S NOT EVEN LISTED AS A CONCERN LIKE CHINA OR INDIA.

Let others spend billions in international credits - NOT MY TAX DOLLARS, DION!

[madmax]

Let others spend billions in international credits - NOT MY TAX DOLLARS, DION!

Holy Crap man, Just got warned about quotes in another thread by the monitor, you say its not that bad. Well look at what you just posted? There was no need to quote my older post in your answer to Saturn. I have been advised to monitor my quoting, and I am thankful for that information. You ignore it. You post quite frequently, so it is not like you are a newbie or in a rush, because you have alot of time to post you can use that time to edit. If you are going to post this frequently, I would hope you show more respect for the moderater and the people whom allow us to use this forum.

[mikedavid00]

Holy Crap man, Just got warned about quotes in another thread by the monitor, you say its not that bad. Well look at what you just posted? There was no need to quote my older post in your answer to Saturn.

Very clever way to get me banned.

I suggest you look at the majority of my posts. I do make mistakes on some.

Yes I will get banned, but it will be for disagreeing with someone elses viewpoints and won't be a for a legit reson.

Mark my words and give it some time. You'll have your wish eventually.

[madmax]

Very clever way to get me banned.

Yes I will get banned, but it will be for disagreeing with someone elses viewpoints and won't be a for a legit reson.

Mark my words and give it some time. You'll have your wish eventually.

It is not my intent to have you banned. Infact I have defended you against others whom have advocated such an act. Your viewpoints are your viewpoints which is why you are posting in a political forum where everyone has viewpoints. I said my piece in the previous post and stand by it.

My wish is for a new motorcycle.