Rae calls for Harper's defeat over spending move

[gerryhatrick]

Rae calls for Harper's defeat over spending move

Updated Sat. Nov. 25 2006 11:43 PM ET

A possible effort by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government to constitutionally constrain how Ottawa could spend money shows that it must be defeated at the earliest opportunity, says Bob Rae.

"What he wants to do is change the Constitution of Canada so that no government ever elected after him can ever do anything in the area of social policy that he deems to be wrong," Rae, one of the leading candidates for the Liberal leadership, told CTV Newsnet on Saturday.

"This is a guy who's trying to change Canada in a way that we will not be able to recognize it ... and this really means that Mr. Harper has to go."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...1125?hub=Canada

Here here!

Rae is hitting the right notes alright.

[geoffrey]

Rae showing his socialist NDP face yet again.

Though I don't see what the hell Harper is talking about, limiting spending. His government increased spending 7% over last year, it's not sustainable.

[jdobbin]

Though I don't see what the hell Harper is talking about, limiting spending. His government increased spending 7% over last year, it's not sustainable.

Exactly. I'd settle for a good Finance minister. What is he opening the constitution for when the tools of financial restraint are in his hands now?

[gerryhatrick]

Rae showing his socialist NDP face yet again.

How so? Is that your stock indiscriminate attack on him now?

Expressing opposition what Harper is planning here has nothing to do with being socialist.

Tell me geoffrey, if a person is in favor of ANY social programs does that make them a socialist?

[B. Max]

Rae calls for Harper's defeat over spending move

Updated Sat. Nov. 25 2006 11:43 PM ET

A possible effort by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government to constitutionally constrain how Ottawa could spend money shows that it must be defeated at the earliest opportunity, says Bob Rae.

"What he wants to do is change the Constitution of Canada so that no government ever elected after him can ever do anything in the area of social policy that he deems to be wrong," Rae, one of the leading candidates for the Liberal leadership, told CTV Newsnet on Saturday.

"This is a guy who's trying to change Canada in a way that we will not be able to recognize it ... and this really means that Mr. Harper has to go."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...1125?hub=Canada

Here here!

Rae is hitting the right notes alright.

Rae is a left wing tax and spend social engineer. Him and his kind need to be permanently cut off at the wallet. Take away the prize and you won't see any of them anywhere near the levers of power.

[jdobbin]

Rae is a left wing tax and spend social engineer. Him and his kind need to be permanently cut off at the wallet. Take away the prize and you won't see any of them anywhere near the levers of power.

Harper is spending like a drunken sailor right now. Perhaps he should show some restraint today rather than make a promise that will take a few years to implement.

[Cameron]

Rae is a left wing tax and spend social engineer. Him and his kind need to be permanently cut off at the wallet. Take away the prize and you won't see any of them anywhere near the levers of power.

Harper is spending like a drunken sailor right now. Perhaps he should show some restraint today rather than make a promise that will take a few years to implement.

Got some numbers to back that up, Jdobbin?

[B. Max]

Rae is a left wing tax and spend social engineer. Him and his kind need to be permanently cut off at the wallet. Take away the prize and you won't see any of them anywhere near the levers of power.

Harper is spending like a drunken sailor right now. Perhaps he should show some restraint today rather than make a promise that will take a few years to implement.

There might be a case for that, but he just scrapped another liberal feel good bunch of spending on the global warming hoax. Hows that for restraint.

[Cameron]

Greg, delete this thread, it's a double

Original - Even the same article.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....ic=7323&hl=

[jdobbin]

There might be a case for that, but he just scrapped another liberal feel good bunch of spending on the global warming hoax. Hows that for restraint.

Pennies.

He should try cuts across the board rather than for things that annoy him.

[jdobbin]

Got some numbers to back that up, Jdobbin?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...b6-1048d4d0cd8c

[geoffrey]

Rae showing his socialist NDP face yet again.

How so? Is that your stock indiscriminate attack on him now?

Expressing opposition what Harper is planning here has nothing to do with being socialist.

Tell me geoffrey, if a person is in favor of ANY social programs does that make them a socialist?

Further expansion of social programs? Absolutely.

[Cameron]

Got some numbers to back that up, Jdobbin?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...b6-1048d4d0cd8c

Thanks for the linky Dobbin, but it's weak. I was looking more for past numbers vs. now. And, the article has some errors.

From the article

Well, for starters, the government has officially reneged on its promise to cut the GST to 5% within its first mandate.

Not so, National Posty: From the policy manual at the CPC site.

Reduce the GST by one point right away, to six percent. And we will reduce the GST by another point,

to five percent, over five years. The GST affects everyone – families, seniors, and young people just

getting started in life. Cutting the GST will help everyone deal with the rising cost of living, put money in

people’s pockets, and spur the economy immediately.

[jdobbin]

Not so, National Posty: From the policy manual at the CPC site.

The CPC site is incorrect.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National/2006/...473996-sun.html. The Finance minister says he is now waiting till 2011. That is not within the four years after the first cut like Conservatives promised in the election.

Conservatives made 196 promises that will cost $60 billion. That was in January. Since then, they cancelled their promise of not taxing income trusts. They introduced income splitting for seniors and now talk about extending it to everyone.

None of these promises is costed out. None of them is accompanied by cuts elsewhere. This is what I mean by spending like a drunken sailor.

[gerryhatrick]

Rae showing his socialist NDP face yet again.

How so? Is that your stock indiscriminate attack on him now?

Expressing opposition what Harper is planning here has nothing to do with being socialist.

Tell me geoffrey, if a person is in favor of ANY social programs does that make them a socialist?

Further expansion of social programs? Absolutely.

I guess I should have expected an evasive answer like that.

Why engage in dishonest generalizations? If you don't have anything more intelligent to say about Rae than "He's a socialist" then maybe you should refrain.

[gerryhatrick]

Not so, National Posty: From the policy manual at the CPC site.

Reduce the GST by one point right away, to six percent. And we will reduce the GST by another point,

to five percent, over five years. The GST affects everyone – families, seniors, and young people just

getting started in life. Cutting the GST will help everyone deal with the rising cost of living, put money in

people’s pockets, and spur the economy immediately.

And when was that site updated? The CPC is on a public relations mission and their website is constantly having things striken/added/changed.

Before you accuse a media story of inaccuracies you'd better have some proof, and in this case you do not.

[geoffrey]

I guess I should have expected an evasive answer like that.

Why engage in dishonest generalizations? If you don't have anything more intelligent to say about Rae than "He's a socialist" then maybe you should refrain.

Of course he's socialist, it's obvious in positions like this. Rae wants full spending power available if he's elected.

If anyone is making dishonest generalizations here it's Rae. There is some merit to this amendment, at least in principle, and Rae is dismissing it wholesale by labelling it anti-Canadian.