Scientists Blame Sun for Global Warming

[gerryhatrick]

I've never seen a topic in this forum area by someone who accepts the reality of Global Warming post something that wasnt' somehow related to Canadian Federal politics.

This topic is unrelated to federal politics.

Post all the Global Warming denial topics you want. Just make them relavent to Canadian politics somehow.

Ok here ya go:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Comment...16/2377808.html

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cf...39009/story.htm

http://www.terradaily.com/2006/061115164939.zcez2rb9.html

Whew!

LOL

That is not a topic.

[B. Max]

They show a warming every year from 1998.

They show a lot of uncertainty and best guess.

LOL,

Funny that you say that since the chart you keep posting is from them.

My link:

HadCRUT3 Diagnostics: global average (NH+SH)/2

Your link:

HadCRUT3 Global Monthly Mean Temperture Anomolies

Both are found at this single link:

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.htm#CRUG

Do pay any attention to the link addresses?

Near surface.

Current relative to peak recorded: -0.19 °C

Source?

The source is here. Why does East anglia data differ from GISS

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/GISSglobal.png

I see the University of East Anglia makes reference to the Tyndall Centre, a questionable outfit, http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/index.shtml making the two a questionable connection. The Tyndall Centre with connections to the British government, and who wrote much of the Stern report that was then rebuked by the UN its self. http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Document....81-687746BE6F0A

[gerryhatrick]

Of course BMax is active in this.

I get accused of hating Harper all the time. B.Max has earned a reputation for hating the world.

[B. Max]

Of course BMax is active in this.

I get accused of hating Harper all the time. B.Max has earned a reputation for hating the world.

Not at all Gerry.

Holdly cow.

Suncor said it expects capital spending of $5 billion a year for the foreseeable future.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/Business/2006/11/15/2364531-sun.html

[scribblet]

http://www.rightpoint.org/kyoto_flash.html have a laugh

[sunsettommy]

They show a warming every year from 1998.

They show a lot of uncertainty and best guess.

LOL,

Funny that you say that since the chart you keep posting is from them.

My link:

HadCRUT3 Diagnostics: global average (NH+SH)/2

Your link:

HadCRUT3 Global Monthly Mean Temperture Anomolies

Both are found at this single link:

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.htm#CRUG

Do pay any attention to the link addresses?

Near surface.

Current relative to peak recorded: -0.19 °C

Source?

The source is here. Why does East anglia data differ from GISS

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/GISSglobal.png

I see the University of East Anglia makes reference to the Tyndall Centre, a questionable outfit, http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/index.shtml making the two a questionable connection. The Tyndall Centre with connections to the British government, and who wrote much of the Stern report that was then rebuked by the UN its self. http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Document....81-687746BE6F0A

LOL,

Nice change of hand since you were using a DIFFERENT chart from Hadcrut3.

Do you know what cherrypicking is?

Now you try to discredit the source that Bob Carter was using to claim that there is NO warming since 1998.He was using the CRU from the University of East Anglia as the source.

Still want to coment on the posted RAW DATA?

[sunsettommy]

I've never seen a topic in this forum area by someone who accepts the reality of Global Warming post something that wasnt' somehow related to Canadian Federal politics.

This topic is unrelated to federal politics.

Post all the Global Warming denial topics you want. Just make them relavent to Canadian politics somehow.

Ok here ya go:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Comment...16/2377808.html

http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cf...39009/story.htm

http://www.terradaily.com/2006/061115164939.zcez2rb9.html

Whew!

LOL

That is not a topic.

It would help if there is a science and technology subforum.

[sunsettommy]

B.Max:

The source is here. Why does East anglia data differ from GISS

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/GISSglobal.png

But of course you can admit that ALL the data gathering centers differ from EACH OTHER as shown in Junkscience.com

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.htm

[sunsettommy]

It is obvious that you never looked it up since they do not at all support his insane claim.

Bob made a fool of himself.

You want follow him?

How many do you need. Three four, a hundred. The only fools are those duped into the man made global warming hoax. Those who advocte that theory have no proof of such, and border on being criminals.

I happen to be a global warming skeptic.

I do not accept the idea that increasing atmospheric CO2 is mostly the fault of Mankind and that it is a minor "greenhouse" gas with diminishing returns as their concentration in the atmosphere goes up.

The IPCC 2001 report makes it clear that Nature releases most of the CO2 into the atmosphere yearly with our contribution being far behind.

Bob used just one source and that source never supports his claim.

[B. Max]

Nice change of hand since you were using a DIFFERENT chart from Hadcrut3.

That is the graph I was referring to.

Do you know what cherrypicking is?

Of course I know, but there are also others that show no warming.

Now you try to discredit the source that Bob Carter was using to claim that there is NO warming since 1998.He was using the CRU from the University of East Anglia as the source.

I simply pointed out the connection. What seems to exist is a number of climate organizations that are in large part the same people and brings into question who is really producing what for who and why.

Still want to coment on the posted RAW DATA?

I don't really see anything to comment on. What plot is the data associated with. However I will tell you this, I asked Carter about the differences. He said it depends on how they are plotted and the difference have never been explained. But like I said there are many plots that show no warming since 98 and with different +/-. This Hadley is another one.

Global near surface.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/HadCRUG.png

[sunsettommy]

Nice change of hand since you were using a DIFFERENT chart from Hadcrut3.

That is the graph I was referring to.

Do you know what cherrypicking is?

Of course I know, but there are also others that show no warming.

Now you try to discredit the source that Bob Carter was using to claim that there is NO warming since 1998.He was using the CRU from the University of East Anglia as the source.

I simply pointed out the connection. What seems to exist is a number of climate organizations that are in large part the same people and brings into question who is really producing what for who and why.

Still want to coment on the posted RAW DATA?

I don't really see anything to comment on. What plot is the data associated with. However I will tell you this, I asked Carter about the differences. He said it depends on how they are plotted and the difference have never been explained. But like I said there are many plots that show no warming since 98 and with different +/-. This Hadley is another one.

Global near surface.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/HadCRUG.png

Post # 97 is RAW SATELLITE DATA.

I hope that clears it up.

Meanwhile I notice that you by passed the fact that BOB CARTER made this statement:

Again from YOUR link,All the emphasis is mine to help you get it since Bob specifically stated a SOURCE.

There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

By Bob Carter

(Filed: 09/04/2006)

Excerpt:

For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

My emphasis

Still going to ignore this?

It is telling that Bob Carter never gave us a link to that website and what is more NO actual data to back him up is found in the article.

Can you explain that?

So far you have not looked THAT source up.When will you?

I have looked it up long ago and see that he is full of it.

Then too I gave you a link to Junkscience that showed variable results complete with charts.When will you address it?

Meanwhile he supposedly told you this:

I asked Carter about the differences. He said it depends on how they are plotted and the difference have never been explained.

It is plain he has nothing substantual to give you.

Why continue this line of dishonesty?

Stop showing a chart that does not support you.It is plain you have no idea what you are talking about since there is NO actual decrease in worldwide temperature level.Just a slowed down trend is all.All along they are still ADDING to the overall warming trend.

From the beginning of 2001 to now the level on the chart is HIGHER than all the rest of the history of the chart except 1998.Post # 97 is the data for that chart you keep spewing out at us and plainly shows overall warming since 1998.

Maybe you need to buy glasses?

When will you ever get it?

[sunsettommy]

Since you are too lazy to look it up.

This is from the very source Bob Carter stated that backs his claim that:

"Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)."

From CRU Information Sheet # 1

SNIP:

The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990).

Red my emphasis.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

Here is the home page of CRU from: School of Environmental Sciences

University of East Anglia

Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

I am calling Bob Carter a LIAR!

[B. Max]

Since you are too lazy to look it up.

This is from the very source Bob Carter stated that backs his claim that:

"Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)."

From CRU Information Sheet # 1

SNIP:

The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990).

Red my emphasis.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

Here is the home page of CRU from: School of Environmental Sciences

University of East Anglia

Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

I am calling Bob Carter a LIAR!

I don't think you know what you're talking about, I did go to the east anglia site.

[sunsettommy]

Since you are too lazy to look it up.

This is from the very source Bob Carter stated that backs his claim that:

"Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)."

From CRU Information Sheet # 1

SNIP:

The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990).

Red my emphasis.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

Here is the home page of CRU from: School of Environmental Sciences

University of East Anglia

Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

I am calling Bob Carter a LIAR!

I don't think you know what you're talking about, I did go to the east anglia site.

LOL,

I just provided the link to their home page and what would you see there right there on the front page?

A chart that absolutely explodes Both you and your visually impaired friend Carter.

You have as yet showed what Bob was referring to that supports his claim.When will you or him?

I just reread Bob Carters article and there is ZERO links in it and only one full source ( CRU at East Anglia ) mentioned.But ZERO SOURCED DATA!

You really got suckered by your dear friend Bob.

Man are you really paying attention here?

The pummeling will continue.............

[B. Max]

Since you are too lazy to look it up.

This is from the very source Bob Carter stated that backs his claim that:

"Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)."

From CRU Information Sheet # 1

SNIP:

The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990).

Red my emphasis.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

Here is the home page of CRU from: School of Environmental Sciences

University of East Anglia

Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

I am calling Bob Carter a LIAR!

I don't think you know what you're talking about, I did go to the east anglia site.

LOL,

I just provided the link to their home page and what would you see there right there on the front page?

A chart that absolutely explodes Both you and your visually impaired friend Carter.

You have as yet showed what Bob was referring to that supports his claim.When will you or him?

I just reread Bob Carters article and there is ZERO links in it and only one full source ( CRU at East Anglia ) mentioned.But ZERO SOURCED DATA!

You really got suckered by your dear friend Bob.

Man are you really paying attention here?

The pummeling will continue.............

I guess you don't understand to well. I have no idea what Carter looked at, but it really doesn't matter. There are plenty of graphs to back up what he says by GISS and the like. That's what is important. What ever dead horse argument you want to flog is not with me, it's with Carter.

[sunsettommy]

Since you are too lazy to look it up.

This is from the very source Bob Carter stated that backs his claim that:

"Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)."

From CRU Information Sheet # 1

SNIP:

The 1990s were the warmest decade in the series. The warmest year of the entire series has been 1998, with a temperature of 0.548°C above the 1961-90 mean. Ten of the eleven warmest years in the series have now occurred in the past eleven years (1995-2005). The only year in the last eleven not among the warmest eleven is 1996 (replaced in the warm list by 1990).

Red my emphasis.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

Here is the home page of CRU from: School of Environmental Sciences

University of East Anglia

Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

I am calling Bob Carter a LIAR!

I don't think you know what you're talking about, I did go to the east anglia site.

LOL,

I just provided the link to their home page and what would you see there right there on the front page?

A chart that absolutely explodes Both you and your visually impaired friend Carter.

You have as yet showed what Bob was referring to that supports his claim.When will you or him?

I just reread Bob Carters article and there is ZERO links in it and only one full source ( CRU at East Anglia ) mentioned.But ZERO SOURCED DATA!

You really got suckered by your dear friend Bob.

Man are you really paying attention here?

The pummeling will continue.............

I guess you don't understand to well. I have no idea what Carter looked at, but it really doesn't matter. There are plenty of graphs to back up what he says by GISS and the like. That's what is important. What ever dead horse argument you want to flog is not with me, it's with Carter.

Actually NOWHERE on the source website he referred to supports him.

You never backed up your support of Bob Carters claims.With a specific chart or comments from CRU website he brought up in his article.You used a chart from another website that has nothing to do with CRU.

Bob Carter is a proven liar.

He makes a claim and refers to CRU stating that their data supports the claim Bob specified in his article.

CRU never has such data and what is more I showed you two links exposing what a liar Bob is by showing their OWN words about the time period in question.

Since Bob never posted the data or a link showing us where CRU has such data.He failed from the start to support his claims.I saw that right away.

I spotted it right away when I first read his article back in the summer.I did the obvious and looked up the referred source and found contrary data.You never did and that is why you look foolish for quickly swallowing his lies.

You lost the debate a while ago and I just keep replying to your postings to expose your dishonest evasive replies to the world.

None of the other charts supports your absurd claim that there has been any kind of cooling trend since 1998.

The Satellite Data disproves your claim totally.I gave you the RAW data and the link to the chart it fits with and to YOUR chart it also fits.

CRU website disproves both you and Bobs claims totally.I showed with two links that backs my position very convincingly.You have done zero.

Still you dishonestly dance and not allow for the facts to prove itself.

Here from the link is a quick summary.

NCDC disproves the claims.

GISTEMP disproves the claims.

HADLEY CET disproves the claims.

ARMAUGH is unchanged and thus neither supports or disproves your claim.

There is a few more but........ ,

I tire of trying to educate you since you are unbelievably dense and dishonest.