Climate-change 'skeptics' hopeful PM accepts view

[jdobbin]

What they don't tell you is that since 79 the satellite data has matched the US historical temeperture records.

The diffence / correction they are talking about are the unreliable world historical records. The US records are considered accurate where the others are not. Below are the world temp. records, the satellite records, and the US temp. records.

http://www.john-daly.com/giss2000.gif

http://www.john-daly.com/nasa.gif

Global trend per decade = +0.128°C, (Northern Hemisphere = +0.205°C, Southern Hemisphere = +0.050°C. )

August 2006 Global = 0.239°C, (Northern Hemisphere = 0.414°C, Southern Hemisphere = 0.064°C.)

http://www.john-daly.com/usa-1999.gif

Daly's calculations were wrong on several accounts. Here's one:

"John Daly's interpretation has been dismissed by Dr David Pugh, from the Southampton Oceanography Centre, UK. Dr Pugh has gone over Lempriere's original work which had been buried in the Royal Society's archives. The Southampton scientist is now assisting CSIRO in their current research programme.

"John Daly has taken the mark, which is a nice clear bench mark, and said 'that is the mean level of the sea at that time', and it wasn't," says Dr Pugh.

"From all the evidence we know it was the high water level at that time - it's like the difference between mid-tide and high-tide. He's wrong."

Dr Pugh says technical problems have prevented CSIRO from recording reliable data until just the last few months and, because mean sea level can change over the course of a year through seasonal water temperature changes, no results will be published until the year 2000.

"Thomas Lempriere was a very bright environmentalist for 1841 and I think he did very good work. And when we have the CSIRO data, we'll then be able to make a direct comparison of the sea levels in 1841 and 1999." "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/467007.stm

[B. Max]

Daly's calculations were wrong on several accounts. Here's one:

"John Daly's interpretation has been dismissed by Dr David Pugh, from the Southampton Oceanography Centre, UK. Dr Pugh has gone over Lempriere's original work which had been buried in the Royal Society's archives. The Southampton scientist is now assisting CSIRO in their current research programme.

We're not talking about sea levels. How ever, no study yet can show CO2 has contributed any significant amount to global warming or that any global warming is not natural. That theory is based on the assumption that it does, and uses computer models to try and prove it. Computer models that can't be made to match the known historical temp. records using the CO2 assumption. The fact remains that most global warming took place before 1940 and from then to 1980 a cooling then a slight increase and then cooling and then a constant level trend.

[B. Max]

While I disagree with B.Max saying that global warming is completely irrelevant...

Where did I say that.

[gerryhatrick]

While I disagree with B.Max saying that global warming is completely irrelevant...

Where did I say that.

You have said it is a hoax. Is it time to split hairs, cause if so Ill go get my sharp knife.

[B. Max]

You have said it is a hoax. Is it time to split hairs, cause if so Ill go get my sharp knife.

Ok then, it's a fraud.

[jdobbin]

We're not talking about sea levels. How ever, no study yet can show CO2 has contributed any significant amount to global warming or that any global warming is not natural. That theory is based on the assumption that it does, and uses computer models to try and prove it. Computer models that can't be made to match the known historical temp. records using the CO2 assumption. The fact remains that most global warming took place before 1940 and from then to 1980 a cooling then a slight increase and then cooling and then a constant level trend.

It's just one example of many on Daly's work.

[jdobbin]

While I disagree with B.Max saying that global warming is completely irrelevant... I do agree that the actual facts don't really support the chicken little models currently proposed. None of these models reflect the past trends at all... and it disregards that we are only at the same levels as the middle ages temperature-wise. 500 years ago it was as hot as today. Meh. I'm hardly concerned.

CO2 makes up the tinest little chunk of the greenhouse picture. Is it an issue? Sure. We should pollute less no doubt.

Is the world going to end? Unlikely. Will the climate change? Absolutely. It's pure ignorance of the Suzuki-ites to assume that the climate will ideally remain the same forever. It's always been changing, often more dramatically than in the current situation. Oh well, it happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Holocen..._Variations.png Here is a link to the temperature of the Earth since the last ice age. Are we warm today? Yup, but no where near a critical situation. It's been way hotter in the last 8000 years, and likely will be colder again.

But what sort of changes happened when it was hotter 8000 years ago. Could it pose troules now?

[B. Max]

We're not talking about sea levels. How ever, no study yet can show CO2 has contributed any significant amount to global warming or that any global warming is not natural. That theory is based on the assumption that it does, and uses computer models to try and prove it. Computer models that can't be made to match the known historical temp. records using the CO2 assumption. The fact remains that most global warming took place before 1940 and from then to 1980 a cooling then a slight increase and then cooling and then a constant level trend.

It's just one example of many on Daly's work.

If you want to change the topic say so.