"Labrador communities fear losing net connection"...

Renegade · October 18, 2006

A lot of these communities don't have the infrastructure or amount of people to make this worthwhile. many of the communities are indeed connected to each other by boat or small plane so maintenance would be a real costly affair. And the startup costs in these areas are much higher than urban areas, therefore for the enterprising young person to make any money, they would have to charge a fortune to their customers.

All the more reason to not provide these subsidized services to remote areas, and encourage people to move to urban areas where they can be serviced more cost effectively.

Rovik · October 18, 2006

Government handouts to the east are numerous enough.

What are you talking about?? The CAP program is a national program with CAP centres all over Canada including quite a few in Alberta as well.

To see the map of CAP centres clck this site: CAP Webpage and then click "Find a CAP site"

Automatically, many of you assumed this was something privy to the East but like many other government programs this simply is not true. I believe that many of you would be surprised what the West gets from the government.

Borg · October 18, 2006

Government handouts to the east are numerous enough.

What are you talking about?? The CAP program is a national program with CAP centres all over Canada including quite a few in Alberta as well.

To see the map of CAP centres clck this site: CAP Webpage and then click "Find a CAP site"

Automatically, many of you assumed this was something privy to the East but like many other government programs this simply is not true. I believe that many of you would be surprised what the West gets from the government.

Do fishermen still get UI when in the off season?

I know farmers do not - yet they pay the same fees.

Just curious.

Lots of folks getting money as the employment is low - otherwise how do they live?

Back to the original - if internet is important, they will find a way to get it - otherwise ........

Borg

Rovik · October 18, 2006

Do fishermen still get UI when in the off season?
I know farmers do not - yet they pay the same fees.

Just curious.

Lots of folks getting money as the employment is low - otherwise how do they live?

Borg

The EI system is for anyone in Canada who meets the requirements, not just fishermen

Farmers have gotten a lot more assistance from the govt. then the fishermen in recent years.

Borg · October 18, 2006

Do fishermen still get UI when in the off season?

I know farmers do not - yet they pay the same fees.

Just curious.

Lots of folks getting money as the employment is low - otherwise how do they live?

Borg

The EI system is for anyone in Canada who meets the requirements, not just fishermen

Farmers have gotten a lot more assistance from the govt. then the fishermen in recent years.

Requirements are not the same - regionalized - therefore preferential.

As before - back to the question - if they require internet - they will find a way.

Borg

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

This makes me sick. "You have it, but I can't afford it so the government owes it to me!" Bullshit. I have cable tv, high speed internet, and a phone too. AND I PAY FOR IT ALL.

Lazy f*cking fishermen don't want to move, don't want to work, but YES I will take free services that the rest of the WORKING PART OF CANADA has to pay for.

Cut them off completely. End the EI gravy train. Want services? Move. Want internet? Pay for it.

What a load of whiny, self-entitled BS!

Higgly · October 19, 2006

Sure. And you live in Alberta with a gas industry that has been boot-strapped by income trusts at a big cost to the taxpayer. I'm alright jack, and I've got mine, right?

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

No, Higgly, you are wrong about my attitude. People scream for equality, except when it comes to personal responsibility. Then it's okay for someone to sit on their lazy ass. They're owed everything. Want services? Pay taxes.

As for the Alberta trust company thing. BS. The oil and gas industry supports this country (in part), so that lazy f*cking fisherman can have free internet.

And yes, I have mine. I worked my ass off to get it. Why should I take less so others can have for free what I pay for?

Communism

Higgly · October 19, 2006

The fishing industry has one of the highest mortality rates in the country.

Get a clue.

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

What the hell does the mortality rate got to do with anything?

Roofers have the highest WCB lost time claims rate.

Higgly · October 19, 2006

...lazy f*cking fisherman ....

Does this ring a bell?

If you are equating a WCB stat with mortality, you need to adjust your jockstrap. Do not pass Go.

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

*double post*

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

It certainly rings the stupidity bell. Mortality rates are due to unsafe working conditions, not six months of employment. Soldiers die too. Should we give them half a year off with pay?

As for comparing WCB to mortality rates....

First, I used that statement to prove that mortality rates had no more place in this discussion than injury rates.

Second, the mortality rates for industry ARE RECORDED AND PUBLISHED BY THE WCB!. Safety and WCB are what I do for a living.

You should learn what the hell you are talking about before you start this fight.

That's right, lazy f*cking fisherman.

Higgly · October 19, 2006

You should learn what the hell you are talking about before you start this fight.

Actually, I have spent a number of months casting nets for fish. And you?

watching&waiting · October 19, 2006

This is stupid and is getting dumber by the day. I live in Ont. I can not get high speed at my home because I am rural, so I have the satellite setup so my wifes can work from home half the time and I also keep sympatico dial up for my own use as I am on a disability pension there is no real need to get my downloads instantly . I pay for this myself. If the people in Labradour want internet let them pay for it themselves. I do not care about their isolation and I do not want to even hear about how they are owed anything. It is 100% BS and needs to be stopped. They wanted to live there so they could keep their old ways, so let them do exacyly that. Not one penny for them is what I say, and no I am not from Alberta. But I am sure able to see wated money on no good causes.

Those who defend giving into these peoplke are IDIOTS, to say the least, and if it were up to me. I would have a one time referendum that would ask if we should leave these people to their old ways or should we force them into our taowns. If they do not come into areas work they can perfom work then we cut them off completely. No more warm and fuzzies for them.

watching&waiting · October 19, 2006

This is stupid and is getting dumber by the day. I live in Ont. I can not get high speed at my home because I am rural, so I have the satellite setup so my wifes can work from home half the time and I also keep sympatico dial up for my own use as I am on a disability pension there is no real need to get my downloads instantly . I pay for this myself. If the people in Labradour want internet let them pay for it themselves. I do not care about their isolation and I do not want to even hear about how they are owed anything. It is 100% BS and needs to be stopped. They wanted to live there so they could keep their old ways, so let them do exacyly that. Not one penny for them is what I say, and no I am not from Alberta. But I am sure able to see wated money on no good causes.

Those who defend giving into these people are IDIOTS, to say the least, and if it were up to me. I would have a one time referendum that would ask if we should leave these people to their old ways or should we force them into our towns. If they do not come into areas work they can perfom work then we cut them off completely. No more warm and fuzzies for them.

Higgly · October 19, 2006

You live in Ontario. Good for you.

You can help 'these people' - o man, I love that expression. Right up there with 'you people'....

You can spend pennies to help 'these people' do what they do better or...

...you can find a way to help hundreds of thousands of high income earners drive their cars from their homes to their offices...

And when it comes time to claim sovereignty over the north and south shores of the mighty Fleuve, whom do you expect will be credible?

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

Nice avoidance of the issue.

"...spend pennis to help these people..."

I spend lots of pennies helping all kinds of "these people". In fact, several million pennies every year. They're called taxes. And I pay far more than my share so that "these people" do not have to work like "those people", and don't have to pay taxes like "those people", and don't have to pay for their internet like "those people".

When you start paying out 40+% of your hard-earned income, let's see if you still have the same attitude. "People like you" disgust me. You believe that my kids should not have everything that I can afford to give them (it's my income and therefore my right) because someone else wants to sit on the "package".

I typically only run into "people like you" at hiring fairs. "They" are usually fresh from university and have not paid their dues.....or their taxes.

Get off your high horse.

Rovik · October 19, 2006

This makes me sick. "You have it, but I can't afford it so the government owes it to me!" Bullshit. I have cable tv, high speed internet, and a phone too. AND I PAY FOR IT ALL.
Lazy f*cking fishermen don't want to move, don't want to work, but YES I will take free services that the rest of the WORKING PART OF CANADA has to pay for.

Cut them off completely. End the EI gravy train. Want services? Move. Want internet? Pay for it.

What a load of whiny, self-entitled BS!

Man, you are either ignorant or misguided. First, fishermen are one of the hardest-working group of people there is. They start work at dawn and work till dusk, with heavy, physical work in often horrible, dangerous conditions.

There is a reason why they don't work the whole year. If they did, the fish stock would be wiped out. Once the quota has been reached or the fishery has reached the scheduled end date, then they have to stop working unless they wanted to be charged.

And what if all the fishermen moved to Alberta and Ontario? Who would remain to fish? Guess people wouldn't be able to buy any seafood and restaurants wouldn't be able to serve lobsters, shrimp, cod and so on and so on.

Yes, they receive EI once the season is closed but this program is available to all Canadians (though from region to region, the criteria is different.) I have a friend who works in Toronto for a Landscape company. Most of the employees receive EI when it gets too cold to work, yet you don't hear people complaining about workers in Ontario or BC or Alberta on EI.

Higgly · October 19, 2006

You go, baie!

Rovik · October 19, 2006

This is stupid and is getting dumber by the day. I live in Ont. I can not get high speed at my home because I am rural, so I have the satellite setup so my wifes can work from home half the time and I also keep sympatico dial up for my own use as I am on a disability pension there is no real need to get my downloads instantly . I pay for this myself. If the people in Labradour want internet let them pay for it themselves. I do not care about their isolation and I do not want to even hear about how they are owed anything. It is 100% BS and needs to be stopped. They wanted to live there so they could keep their old ways, so let them do exacyly that. Not one penny for them is what I say, and no I am not from Alberta. But I am sure able to see wated money on no good causes.
Those who defend giving into these peoplke are IDIOTS, to say the least, and if it were up to me. I would have a one time referendum that would ask if we should leave these people to their old ways or should we force them into our taowns. If they do not come into areas work they can perfom work then we cut them off completely. No more warm and fuzzies for them.

Let my recap a few things from previous posts:

- This program doesn not pay for Internet in individuals' homes. This is a community-based Internet with regulations on how it can or can't be used.

- This program (CAP) is available across all of Canada, so it's not just in Newfoundland and Labrador but also in Alberta, BC and Ontario

- Read my last post about the fishermen

I wonder if your satellite setup is claimed on your income tax as a business expense or if the company your wife works for pays for most of the cost?

What would your feelings be if the govt. told you that you could no longer claim that as a business expense or if the company said that if your wife wants to work from home then she (and yourself) would have to pay for 100% of the cost.

And in regard to your desire for a massive urban utopia; without people working in rural areas, how would the manufacturing sector survive with the raw resources from rural areas?

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

The perpetual EI train should end for everyone. It is a safety net, not a fishing net.

Fisherman work no harder than any rig hand in Alberta. But rig hands work a hell of a lot longer hours for a hell of a lot more months...and no "short qualification" for them to collect EI. They get other jobs, as do construction workers (building or infrastructure) and a host of other professions. The reason they don't work the full year is BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

It always amazes me that people will jump to the defence of an east coast fisherman, but ignore the other professions that have it harder (ie oil workers).

Higgly - very intelligent rebuttal.

Higgly · October 19, 2006

I'm wondering why you have turned this into a contest. Looking forward to news coverage of you eating a barrel or sucking a pipe...

Trying to interpret your signature... "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot". Is this something you are proud of?

Hydraboss · October 19, 2006

Actually, the signature is something I was called on this board because I am a conservative. The member is now banned, but I wanted the stupid comment to live on....

It's not a contest. It's a difference of opinion about the entitlement of regional peoples in Canada. Poor, poor east coast people. Big, bad, rich "others". I find the stereotyping abhorent, and therefore I will stereotype all fishermen as a group to illicit the expected response.

Rovik · October 19, 2006

The perpetual EI train should end for everyone. It is a safety net, not a fishing net.
Fisherman work no harder than any rig hand in Alberta. But rig hands work a hell of a lot longer hours for a hell of a lot more months...and no "short qualification" for them to collect EI. They get other jobs, as do construction workers (building or infrastructure) and a host of other professions. The reason they don't work the full year is BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

It always amazes me that people will jump to the defence of an east coast fisherman, but ignore the other professions that have it harder (ie oil workers).

Higgly - very intelligent rebuttal.

Actually, fisherpeople have the second most dangerous job (in America - according to the Bureau of labour Stats)

Click for link America's most dangerous jobs

And I have no doubt that oil rig hands have a tough job, and unlike you and your put down of fishermen, I have the utmost respect for any one working in the oil sector. I have friends who work at the Hibernia and Terra Nova fields off the coast and I know they don't have it very easy.