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JerrySeinfeld Grand Master

JerrySeinfeld

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The establishmen of a democratic west-friednly state in the middle of the middle east with a strong American miltary presence has stirred up all kinds of muslim fanatacism - which clearly illutrates Iraq's importance to the issue of terrorism.
Sure, it proves my point that the US created a problem which did not exist before it invaded Iraq. If it had left Iraq alone there would less terrorism today and a reformist president would likely still be in place in Iran (the election of Ahmedinejad was yet another consequence of the American invasion).
If you don't believe your lyin' eyes just ask bin laden who refers to the Iraq war as WWIII between the USA and Islamic radicals.
Bin Laden can say whatever he wants - it does not make it true.

haha - you know the western lefties are in serious denial if Bin Laden sees Iraq as an important front on terror v. the west and they still don't believe it...

JerrySeinfeld Grand Master

JerrySeinfeld

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The establishmen of a democratic west-friednly state in the middle of the middle east with a strong American miltary presence has stirred up all kinds of muslim fanatacism - which clearly illutrates Iraq's importance to the issue of terrorism.
Sure, it proves my point that the US created a problem which did not exist before it invaded Iraq. If it had left Iraq alone there would less terrorism today and a reformist president would likely still be in place in Iran (the election of Ahmedinejad was yet another consequence of the American invasion).
If you don't believe your lyin' eyes just ask bin laden who refers to the Iraq war as WWIII between the USA and Islamic radicals.
Bin Laden can say whatever he wants - it does not make it true.

you're blind dude - that's pre-9-11 thinking. everythings ok -i'm ok - you're ok.

we learned that the illusion of peace doesn't mean there actualy IS peace.

now that we've uncovered the hatred that exists in the middle east it's better to deal with it upfront than to hide the reality, step back and wait until the next tipping point - ie. IRAN or something worse...

Riverwind Grand Master

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haha - you know the western lefties are in serious denial if Bin Laden sees Iraq as an important front on terror v. the west and they still don't believe it...
Useless circular logic - Iraq was a no-go zone for Al'Queda under Saddam. The US created a power vaccuum and the fact that Al'Queda is trying to exploit it is no surprise. No matter how you spin you cannot escape the fact that the world is more dangerous place today thanks to GW and his useless 'war on terror'.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

Riverwind Grand Master

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now that we've uncovered the hatred that exists in the middle east it's better to deal with it upfront than to hide the reality, step back and wait until the next tipping point - ie. IRAN or something worse...
We punch somebody in the face, discover that they hate us even more and now claim that punching them was justified because they 'hate us'? Ridiculous. The only way to stop the cycle of violance is it stop hitting back.

I firmly believe that Al Queda would be footnote in history today if the US had not gone into Iraq.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

jbg Grand Master

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How about fomenting an "internal" uprising?

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  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
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  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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How about fomenting an "internal" uprising?

I thought you were for invasion.

I'm for whatever works. Leaving the madman and/or the mullahs (I tend to think the latter) in control of Iran's destiny does not work.

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

Riverwind Grand Master

Riverwind

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I'm for whatever works. Leaving the madman and/or the mullahs (I tend to think the latter) in control of Iran's destiny does not work.
Iran was gradually reforming and opening up as a society until the US invaded Iraq. At that point the Mullahs put a halt to all reforms and ensured that Ahmedinejad would be elected. IOW, the invasion of Iraq is what triggered the showdown on nukes today. Trying to pretend that this is all Iran's fault is rediculous.

One thing you seem to ignore is the fact that Pakistan is one coup away from putting nukes in the hands of the nastiest Islamic radicals around. Invading or attacking Iran over its nuclear program would be one way to ensure that such a coup happens in Pakistan.

To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.

jdobbin Grand Master

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I'm for whatever works. Leaving the madman and/or the mullahs (I tend to think the latter) in control of Iran's destiny does not work.

The United States is not prepared for that type of comittment of war, invasion and occupation. It would entail almost all able bodied people to be in uniform, rationing at home (like in World War 2) and an empire spread out across the planet.

jbg Grand Master

jbg

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I'm for whatever works. Leaving the madman and/or the mullahs (I tend to think the latter) in control of Iran's destiny does not work.

The United States is not prepared for that type of comittment of war, invasion and occupation. It would entail almost all able bodied people to be in uniform, rationing at home (like in World War 2) and an empire spread out across the planet.

If allies are not prepared to join in perhaps we should let them go down the sewer.

  • Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone."
  • Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds.
  • Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location?
  • The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).

jdobbin Grand Master

jdobbin

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If allies are not prepared to join in perhaps we should let them go down the sewer.

You could always invade the allies.

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