Tories urged to name political donors

[gerryhatrick]

Name political donors, Liberals urge top Tories

Ottawa -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper and members of his cabinet who have run for the leadership in the past decade should be asked to divulge the names of their political donors, the Liberal Party's top executive said yesterday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/National

Don't hold yer breath. Naming their donors would be death for Harper no doubt. Can you say USA?

[Hydraboss]

Actually, I can....USA....got a point?

[watching&waiting]

I believe Harper did say during the debates of the last election that he did name his support donators, but as usual the liberals then implied that he did not name all of them. How does on e address this accusation when other insist that it is not all, but never show any proof that this is true? That is just another liberal hack trick to try and cast a scarey picture. It was seen thru by many in last election and by now it will be seen though by almost anyone with a thought to share.

Just how can this Jerryhatrick be so ingnorant of the facts. In our little village he seems to be trying to earn a title, and I am sure he will get the one I have in mind soon.

[Hicksey]

Name political donors, Liberals urge top Tories

Ottawa -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper and members of his cabinet who have run for the leadership in the past decade should be asked to divulge the names of their political donors, the Liberal Party's top executive said yesterday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/National

Don't hold yer breath. Naming their donors would be death for Harper no doubt. Can you say USA?

Let's make a trade. Harper will release his donors at the same time the Liberals release the names of the people who accepted the pilfered public funds into their election campaigns.

If the Liberals refuse to release, IMO they have no standing to request any more of the CPC.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that they both should disclose, just that those request the disclosure have some disclosing of their own to do.

[Shakeyhands]

You guys really are all about this deflection thing, that american pollster would be so proud!

Look, its pretty simple, he has yet to tell anyone and has refused to name them... why is that?

[Hicksey]

You guys really are all about this deflection thing, that american pollster would be so proud!

Look, its pretty simple, he has yet to tell anyone and has refused to name them... why is that?

I haven't deflected anything. All I noted was that those demanding the disclosure have a horrible record of disclosure themselves. I also noted that I want both to fully disclose.

Though the CPC should be forced to disclose, the last people in the world that should be giving that lecture is the Liberals. The Liberals should be forced to disclose too. There shouldn't be a choice in the matter.

Get a court order and jail them all for contempt until they comply. It's not like they do anything other than adolescent bickering while in session anyway.

[gerryhatrick]

I believe Harper did say during the debates of the last election that he did name his support donators, but as usual the liberals then implied that he did not name all of them. How does on e address this accusation when other insist that it is not all, but never show any proof that this is true? That is just another liberal hack trick to try and cast a scarey picture. It was seen thru by many in last election and by now it will be seen though by almost anyone with a thought to share.

Just how can this Jerryhatrick be so ingnorant of the facts. In our little village he seems to be trying to earn a title, and I am sure he will get the one I have in mind soon.

Well gee whiz ww, if that's the case then why does the issue remain?

The fact is that Harper published a list of donors in May 2004 and was derided by the Liberals for not publishing a COMPLETE list. The response from the Conservatives was that a COMPLETE LIST would be provided by December. Source: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...ors_040521.html

I can't find any news about the rest of the list coming out.

Can you?

If this is a false accusation then let's hear Harper say it. So far, cue the crickets.

If I'm so "ignorant of the facts" then by all means enlighten me with more than just your personal claims. Provide some links, as I have. Thx.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Well gee whiz ww, if that's the case then why does the issue remain?

Because you keep pushing it as a part of your relentless campaign to belittle Steven Harper and/or the Conservatives at any chance no matter how obscure the reference.

[gerryhatrick]

Well gee whiz ww, if that's the case then why does the issue remain?

Because you keep pushing it as a part of your relentless campaign to belittle Steven Harper and/or the Conservatives at any chance no matter how obscure the reference.

Well, that's flattering....but I hardly think my posting of a news item on this forum is causing it to remain an issue.

Tell your boss that he's got to deal with it straight on.

And you missed this part when you quoted me:

The fact is that Harper published a list of donors in May 2004 and was derided by the Liberals for not publishing a COMPLETE list. The response from the Conservatives was that a COMPLETE LIST would be provided by December. Source: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...ors_040521.html

Did he release the rest of the names in December?

[watching&waiting]

You think that there were anything coming to you, but I can only guess that you just might not be on the list for the party to send things to. If as I imagine there were a need to give the libs a list and if it did nothing but show harpers support was grassroots and wholesome, do you think that the libs would say anything. Just who are you that you feel you should be shown this and why do you think that way? Just like the Liberals can not even seem to find a leader that will talk with one voice for the party, you can not say what is or was given to anyone now can you. Maybe you can show us where your supporters are, as judging from here you have few if anyone that wants to allied themselves with you.

We do give everyone the right to voice their concerns here and you have made use of that quite a lot latel. I wonder just how much of the same would be shown if you can find a site to support the liberals

[gerryhatrick]

We do give everyone the right to voice their concerns here and you have made use of that quite a lot latel. I wonder just how much of the same would be shown if you can find a site to support the liberals

Who is "we"? You have multiple logins on this site?

the rest of your post I cut off. Don't spout nonsense about me not being part of the grassroots for the Conservative party and thus Harper doesn't need to be accountable to me.

Accountability by government is to all Canadians. Not just you and your undeclared "we" crew.

[watching&waiting]

I see that you do not like the we as in most of the people I can see posting trying to show you the light and errors of your ways. You do not have the right to demand anything of the government as to its supporters and there are government dept that do get that kind of thing. If you want them go look for them and make sure that they are not there.

Go find a liberal critic and see if he has the list of supporters. Might as well get the liberals list as well, but then again it will have to say $42,000,000.00 from the people of Canada on it, now wouldn't it

[gerryhatrick]

I see that you do not like the we as in most of the people I can see posting trying to show you the light and errors of your ways.

Good tip for you, no charge: speak for yourself. Don't pretend that you and the rest of the forum are on the same page.

You do not have the right to demand anything of the government

au contraire, I do. But "I" am not the issue here. You want to focus on me, apparently, but the issue is being raised by opposition parties and properly reported by the media.

Don't complain that it's coming up, complain that Harper isn't responding. If he's disclosed all his donors, say so. If he will not disclose anymore, say so.

Since he's isolated himself from the media he's developled a tendency to answer for nothing.

[jbg]

Name political donors, Liberals urge top Tories

Ottawa -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper and members of his cabinet who have run for the leadership in the past decade should be asked to divulge the names of their political donors, the Liberal Party's top executive said yesterday.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...PStory/National

Don't hold yer breath. Naming their donors would be death for Harper no doubt. Can you say USA?

How many Harper threads have you started in last 48 hours? How are they different from each other?

[Ricki Bobbi]

How many Harper threads have you started in last 48 hours? How are they different from each other?

Some people are hear just to attack Harper and the Conservatives.

Perhaps there could be a new forum started here just for people with that interest.

[jbg]

How many Harper threads have you started in last 48 hours? How are they different from each other?

Some people are hear just to attack Harper and the Conservatives.

Perhaps there could be a new forum started here just for people with that interest.

Call it "antiharperbot.com"?

[Shakeyhands]

come on now people... this isn't any different then when you were all wanting to lynch Martin and the Liberals while they were in power.

[Ricki Bobbi]

come on now people... this isn't any different then when you were all wanting to lynch Martin and the Liberals while they were in power.

Hmmm, weren't you recently chastising me for being a newcomer to the board?

Can't really expect me to account for behaviour when I wasn't here...

[Hicksey]

come on now people... this isn't any different then when you were all wanting to lynch Martin and the Liberals while they were in power.

I've been consistent and reasonable the whole way. Both the Liberals and the CPC have much to disclose.

In fact I think it could be politically expedient for Harper to disclose first and then further chastise the Liberals for not releasing the names of the MPs who took the pilfered Adscam money as donations.

But the major difference between the two is that you have no clue about whether -- or even if -- the Harper did anything wrong. Yours is a fishing expedition whereas we have a good reason to lambaste the Liberals.

[Shakeyhands]

not chastising any one about anything, solely stating thats its not a stretch to figure that those that aren't thrilled with who is in the PMO' now should be expected to behave any differently than thoise who were unhappy with who WAS in the PMO.

[jbg]

not chastising any one about anything, solely stating thats its not a stretch to figure that those that aren't thrilled with who is in the PMO' now should be expected to behave any differently than thoise who were unhappy with who WAS in the PMO.

Shakey argument. There is a difference between a poll designed to find out what the people want (shouldn't that play at least some role in governing), and commissions to ad agencies in return, not for work, but for kickbacks?

[gerryhatrick]

Shakey argument. There is a difference between a poll designed to find out what the people want (shouldn't that play at least some role in governing),

Yeah, that poll was called an "election". I think you're bleeding one topic into another anyway.

This topic isn't about the $85,000 Harper wasted on partisan polling right after the election.

[geoffrey]

Shakey argument. There is a difference between a poll designed to find out what the people want (shouldn't that play at least some role in governing),

Yeah, that poll was called an "election". I think you're bleeding one topic into another anyway.

This topic isn't about the $85,000 Harper wasted on partisan polling right after the election.

Mind telling me how it's partisan and how a poll in the public domain (it could be easily FOIP'ed if it hasn't been already) is for partisan purposes?

A partisan poll would be seeing if the opposition choices were more popular, and the CPC changing along those lines. Polling to see if people want what your about to do is a core aspect of democracy.

I'd be completely on your side gerry if the CPC did an about face and changed everything based on the polls. But they didn't, they kept on their initial line of election though, the polls didn't change their policy, just strengthened their resolve that Canadians want them to do what they've done.