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[Chuck U. Farlie]

She:kon!

Investments!

Kitchener-Waterloo and all the other occupied towns and cities along the tract represent over $1 trillion dollars on the fair market. So as part of the present negotiations your government buy their interest outright from us.....or we will be paid back rent and future rent worth just about as much.

Again....you should research our history.We have always been capitalist - long before the first settlers came here. The first tactic of a real capitalist is to first make you dependent on our products and commodities. Once that happens we have a captive market forever......

From a legal standpoint, according to proceedure we have consistently and proactively reminded your governments over the last 300 years that the land is still ours. That way you cannot assert ownership by acclamation. And since the Royal Proclamation prohibits you or anyone else from owning land in the tract, the "rule of law" states you must either compensate us for it or vacate it.

O:nen

So what happens when the Canadians living within those areas decide to break the agreement? I don't think that your entire population of 28000 (or whatever it is) is enough to police the whole area and kick out the people that have lived there, some for generations. Hell, there are more farmers with shotguns in that area than all of your people put together...

And as it was said in other threads, many of the people living in this 'disputed areas' are recent immigrants. Many from China, Vietnam, etc, etc, that fought very hard to get here and get the property that they now own in the tri-cities area. I think you will have a very hard time taking them away from their land.

I am not looking at your history, and I don't care. The past is the past, the future has yet to be written.

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon!

The Haudenosaunee population alone is about 1.5 million people. And don't forget that we have the support of about another 2 or 3 million aboriginal people in the Americas.

But you raise a valild question.

"So what happens when the Canadians living within those areas decide to break the agreement?"

Citizens cannot "break" international agreements and your government will force you to comply with whatever they agree to. Like I said they are lying beneath the horse right now trying to steer it a little in favour of keeping things a tad "normal". If you want armed conflict and think that is an end then I suggest that you again study our history. You won't prevail on that front.

And just a little "current events" for you information. Most farmers support us since we are halting urban sprawl along the Grand River tract and that is consitent with their goals of protecting their farms from incursion of the rat infested developments that plague the environment.

O:nen

[Chuck U. Farlie]

She:kon!

The Haudenosaunee population alone is about 1.5 million people. And don't forget that we have the support of about another 2 or 3 million aboriginal people in the Americas.

But you raise a valild question.

"So what happens when the Canadians living within those areas decide to break the agreement?"

Citizens cannot "break" international agreements and your government will force you to comply with whatever they agree to. Like I said they are lying beneath the horse right now trying to steer it a little in favour of keeping things a tad "normal". If you want armed conflict and think that is an end then I suggest that you again study our history. You won't prevail on that front.

And just a little "current events" for you information. Most farmers support us since we are halting urban sprawl along the Grand River tract and that is consitent with their goals of protecting their farms from incursion of the rat infested developments that plague the environment.

O:nen

Since farmers support you, as you claim, would you allow them to remain on the land and continue to farm it if you gained possession of it?

[Tsi Nikayen' Enonhne']

She:kon!

Our agreements and leases were for exactly that purpose. Some of those leases of 100 years ago are about to expire and will be renegotiated. Most the farmers are quite aware of that.

Our relationship with farmers always has been an amicable one. So long as they understand we are the landlords and that selling th land to outside interests (and that would included mega-farm corporations) is strictly prohibited.

O:nen

[Riverwind]

Citizens cannot "break" international agreements and your government will force you to comply with whatever they agree to.

Hell will freeze over first. In the unlikely event that Six Nations wins some sort of legal victory in Canadian courts (the only courts that matter BTW) then you will see politicians scrambling to protect the rights of the majority of non-natives living in the area.

And don't forget that we have the support of about another 2 or 3 million aboriginal people in the Americas.

I would not count on their support in all situations. Any attempt by Six Nations to 'enforce' its so called rights would likely lead to backlash against all aboriginals in Canada. This would easily lead to a situation where all of the rights and privileges enjoyed by aboriginals today would be stripped away by the non-native majority who control the courts and the constitution. As a result, most intelligent aboriginals will recognize that supporting a confrontation between Six Nations and Canada is not in their best interest.

[mister_v]

Citizens cannot "break" international agreements and your government will force you to comply with whatever they agree to.

Hell will freeze over first. In the unlikely event that Six Nations wins some sort of legal victory in Canadian courts (the only courts that matter BTW) then you will see politicians scrambling to protect the rights of the majority of non-natives living in the area.

And don't forget that we have the support of about another 2 or 3 million aboriginal people in the Americas.

I would not count on their support in all situations. Any attempt by Six Nations to 'enforce' its so called rights would likely lead to backlash against all aboriginals in Canada. This would easily lead to a situation where all of the rights and privileges enjoyed by aboriginals today would be stripped away by the non-native majority who control the courts and the constitution. As a result, most intelligent aboriginals will recognize that supporting a confrontation between Six Nations and Canada is not in their best interest.

Tsi is just talking tough again, the troll at work. Haldimand Tract lands that were donated by the Crown for the Iroquois to settle on are now in the hands of Canada. The best part is its all legit. And rest assured Canada will remain Canada, and that includes Kitchener/Waterloo, Caledonia, Cambridge, Toronto, and the windmills in Shelburne. Perhaps a token, symbolic payment will be made to the Six Nations fanatics but all know that land surrenders that were valid back in the day are still valid today. And Tsi will keep fuming and trolling because non-natives will continue to enjoy their lives in those places, make money in those places and none of them will give a flying f*ck about Tsi and his merry band of land grabbers.

[mister_v]

Just a fantastic way to encourage employment and economic development.

LOL you have many lands on which to build your economic developments, Why must you do it on ours.

Hamilton is in dire need of employment and economic development start there not on our lands.The problem is land is to expensive in hamilton, so they look for cheaper land and what could be cheaper than disputed indian land. The bottom line is the developers bottom line what good do these economic developments do for our people if we do not get employed by the developers or recieve payment for the land.This is the way things will be done from now on, if you have a problem take it up with your courts and see who retains ownership of the land.The reason the government is negotiating is they do not have a case that would stand up in court.By your laws you lose.It will be up to the Haudenosaunne people to take back what is theirs then tell the government to prove they own the land. Yes it is a fantastic way to encourage economic development and employment for our people on our land.

The land the windmills are located on was surrendered by Joseph Brant long ago. As for the rest of your post, its something straight out of Alice in Wonderland. I'm beginning to think that Humpty Dumpty is running the show in Ohsweken.

[Gayogoho]

Joseph Brant never surrendered any land he sold some off to prove ownership of the lands.Joseph Brant did not have the authority to sell lands for many reasons.

1.The women are title holders to our land and the cornerstone of our government.

2.Joseph Brant was not a confederacy chief he was a pine tree chief.

The land the windmills are located on was surrendered by Joseph Brant long ago. As for the rest of your post, its something straight out of Alice in Wonderland. I'm beginning to think that Humpty Dumpty is running the show in Ohsweken.

You seem to like fairy tales is that why you are a regular poster here on www.makebelieveweb.com

[Riverwind]

Joseph Brant never surrendered any land he sold some off to prove ownership of the lands.Joseph Brant did not have the authority to sell lands for many reasons.

1.The women are title holders to our land and the cornerstone of our government.

2.Joseph Brant was not a confederacy chief he was a pine tree chief.

Six Nations let Brant run around selling off parcels of land for decades. The Canadian gov't is not responsible for political disputes amoung Six Nations people. If Brant was truely not authorized then the chiefs had more than enough opportunity to make that clear to the gov't. They choose not to which means that the loss is not Canada's problem.

[mister_v]

Joseph Brant never surrendered any land he sold some off to prove ownership of the lands.Joseph Brant did not have the authority to sell lands for many reasons.

1.The women are title holders to our land and the cornerstone of our government.

2.Joseph Brant was not a confederacy chief he was a pine tree chief.

Joseph Brant was given what amounted to power of attorney by the Six Nations at the Grand River. Just because you don't like the end result today, doesn't mean it wasn't valid. Deal with it.