Ricki Bobbi Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 The reason the press gallery decided to boycott the list is because Harper was stone-walling reporters who were working stories he didn't like. It would be like Martin not taking questions from reporters who were working the sponsorship beat. Would that have been OK by you? Ahhh, but Martin did do that. See the Paul Wells link I posted earlier. Chretien like Wells and let him ask questions often. Martin didn't and never let him ask questions. That's the way it is and the way it has always been. Why is it such a big deal now that the Conservatives are in government? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 The reason the press gallery decided to boycott the list is because Harper was stone-walling reporters who were working stories he didn't like. It would be like Martin not taking questions from reporters who were working the sponsorship beat. Would that have been OK by you? Ahhh, but Martin did do that. See the Paul Wells link I posted earlier. Chretien like Wells and let him ask questions often. Martin didn't and never let him ask questions. That's the way it is and the way it has always been. Why is it such a big deal now that the Conservatives are in government? Are you sure you're not confusing a news conference with a scrum? I think you are. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Are you sure you're not confusing a news conference with a scrum? I think you are. What is your point Gerry? Would it be ok by you if Harper went back to scrums and only answered questions from reporters who signed up for the list then? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jbg Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Scrums and press conferences seem rather similar. Can someone explain the difference to this Yank ignorant about Canada? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Scrums and press conferences seem rather similar. Can someone explain the difference to this Yank ignorant about Canada? Press conferences are more organized and formal. Don't really get Gerry's point about a bigger difference than that. But then again he was probably just being contrary for the sake of it. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Are you sure you're not confusing a news conference with a scrum? I think you are. What is your point Gerry? Would it be ok by you if Harper went back to scrums and only answered questions from reporters who signed up for the list then? The point is clear, if you understand what a scrum is and what a press conference is. The disagreement the press gallery has with the PMO is regarding press conferences. OBVIOUSLY a PM (or MP) can choose which questions to answer at scrums. Always been that way. But then again he was probably just being contrary for the sake of it. For someone who cries and whines about personal attacks all the time you engage in it quite a bit. I am making the distinction between a scrum and a news conference in good faith since you brought up the behaviour of a previous Liberal PM in scrum situations. It is a valid point. You are comparing apples and oranges, and to accuse me of being "contrary for the sake of it" because I point it out to you is lame and hypocritical given your constant complaints about others. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 I am making the distinction between a scrum and a news conference in good faith since you brought up the behaviour of a previous Liberal PM in scrum situations. It is a valid point. You are comparing apples and oranges, and to accuse me of being "contrary for the sake of it" because I point it out to you is lame and hypocritical given your constant complaints about others. What is the difference? You haven't made it at all You accuse me of crying and whining about personal attacks? You really don't get it Gerry... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 What is the difference? You haven't made it at all If you don't know then perhaps you shouldn't post on the topic. I am not your educator. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 If you don't know then perhaps you shouldn't post on the topic. I am not your educator. You really are odious. The difference between a PMO list of who can ask questions at a press conference and in a media scrum isn't readily apparent. And in reality so minute as to show how obstinate your behaviour is. Obtuse and trying to change the point. Typical behaviour. Add nothing to the debate. Good on you Gerry. I'll give you credit for staying true to form. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 If you don't know then perhaps you shouldn't post on the topic. I am not your educator. You really are odious. The difference between a PMO list of who can ask questions at a press conference and in a media scrum isn't readily apparent. And in reality so minute as to show how obstinate your behaviour is. Odious am I? Oh Ricki, is it necessary for you to personally attack me like that? A scrum is something different than a press conference. Do you agree with that? Traditionally in a scrum reporters yell out questions and the object of the questions decides what to answer. A press conference has traditionally consisted of a statement, followed by questioners from a list compiled by the press gallery. That is the where the current disagreement lies. The PMO now wants to compile the list, and in doing so they began excluding some questioners. Your response was along the lines of "oh, other PM's have excluded questioners....remember my link???" Ah yes RB, but that is in terms of a scrum, which is something entirely different from a press conference. Although other PM's have surely wished they could hide from certain questioners at press conferences, they have never done it. Harper has, which is weak, scared (wimpy, if you will) behaviour. Obtuse Oh Ricki..Ricki....Ricki. You of ALL people I thought would follow the rules. I'm hurt by that, deeply hurt. And don't think you can hide from the law of the land forever. I'm sure those who apply the rules will smite you as you deserve to be smitten for such a personal and direct attack upon myself. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Odious am I? Oh Ricki, is it necessary for you to personally attack me like that?A scrum is something different than a press conference. Do you agree with that? Traditionally in a scrum reporters yell out questions and the object of the questions decides what to answer. A press conference has traditionally consisted of a statement, followed by questioners from a list compiled by the press gallery. That is the where the current disagreement lies. The PMO now wants to compile the list, and in doing so they began excluding some questioners. Your response was along the lines of "oh, other PM's have excluded questioners....remember my link???" Ah yes RB, but that is in terms of a scrum, which is something entirely different from a press conference. Although other PM's have surely wished they could hide from certain questioners at press conferences, they have never done it. Harper has, which is weak, scared (wimpy, if you will) behaviour. Obtuse Odious and obtuse were just comments on your behaviour and not personal attacks. That is the line you have drawn repeatedly... The press gallery wasn't boycotting the list of questioners at the Paul Martin scrums during the election. Something you just said wasn't the tradition. So could you answer my question in a non-obtuse, non-obstinate manner? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gerryhatrick Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 Odious am I? Oh Ricki, is it necessary for you to personally attack me like that?A scrum is something different than a press conference. Do you agree with that? Traditionally in a scrum reporters yell out questions and the object of the questions decides what to answer. A press conference has traditionally consisted of a statement, followed by questioners from a list compiled by the press gallery. That is the where the current disagreement lies. The PMO now wants to compile the list, and in doing so they began excluding some questioners. Your response was along the lines of "oh, other PM's have excluded questioners....remember my link???" Ah yes RB, but that is in terms of a scrum, which is something entirely different from a press conference. Although other PM's have surely wished they could hide from certain questioners at press conferences, they have never done it. Harper has, which is weak, scared (wimpy, if you will) behaviour. Obtuse Odious and obtuse were just comments on your behaviour and not personal attacks. That is the line you have drawn repeatedly... My gawd RB, I'm joking. I'm poking fun at you for your outrage over the word "wimp" and constant invoking of forum rules over basically nothing at all. The press gallery wasn't boycotting the list of questioners at the Paul Martin scrums during the election. Something you just said wasn't the tradition. There is no list at scrums. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
fellowtraveller Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Posted September 11, 2006 Can't you just feel the sexual tension between these two? Quote The government should do something.
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 12, 2006 Report Posted September 12, 2006 Can't you just feel the sexual tension between these two? If you're jealous send me something to turn my thoughts elsewhere. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 12, 2006 Report Posted September 12, 2006 Can't you just feel the sexual tension between these two? If you're jealous send me something to turn my thoughts elsewhere. There is no list at scrums. Hmm very Clintonian to use the present tense about a past election. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
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