Teacher's Strike In Ontario

[geoffrey]

Wow, looking at that collective agreement, maybe I'll become a teacher.

Yeah, no kidding. The college teachers on strike over here were offered 95K a year just to get them to go back to work. They turned it down, and they are still negotiating for a better deal.

I was somewhat kidding. I think teachers are paid farily, they do an increidably important job...

I'm not going to go out and start demanding they get paid too little, because there are lot of perks with the job, like entire summers off (to make more money or relax), four weeks vacation during the year, paid professional development and relatively short working hours.

It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost.

So... I think teachers should get raises only set to inflation from here on in and let it be settled.

[na85]

Agree, on all points

[Hydraboss]

"It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost./"

Four years. That's all. Not six, or eight. These are teachers, not University PHD professors. Or medical specialists.

Agreed on the inflation-linked raises. Good luck with that though.

[Hicksey]

"It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost./"

Four years. That's all. Not six, or eight. These are teachers, not University PHD professors. Or medical specialists.

Agreed on the inflation-linked raises. Good luck with that though.

I hear you there.

They're locked into that union mentality where they think that they're entitled to every dollar their employer has.

Nobody should get a raise above inflation.

[Hydraboss]

The problem is, you and I are their employers so they view it as a perpetually-flowering money tree.

While I like the idea of snivil servants only receiving inflation-based raises (because I don't like them), I would not go so far as to say that no one deserves more. Anyone that can justify a larger raise should get it if their employer feels that it is earned. If the employer does not feel that way, tough. Find another job where you will be appreciated. That's how life works when you're a grown-up.

[geoffrey]

The problem is, you and I are their employers so they view it as a perpetually-flowering money tree.

While I like the idea of snivil servants only receiving inflation-based raises (because I don't like them), I would not go so far as to say that no one deserves more. Anyone that can justify a larger raise should get it if their employer feels that it is earned. If the employer does not feel that way, tough. Find another job where you will be appreciated. That's how life works when you're a grown-up.

Hyrda, your correct. People should get bigger raises based on things like meeting performance targets or promotions to positions of increased responsibility.

If we all only got inflation every year, there would be very little motivation to do anything.

[Hicksey]

The problem is, you and I are their employers so they view it as a perpetually-flowering money tree.

While I like the idea of snivil servants only receiving inflation-based raises (because I don't like them), I would not go so far as to say that no one deserves more. Anyone that can justify a larger raise should get it if their employer feels that it is earned. If the employer does not feel that way, tough. Find another job where you will be appreciated. That's how life works when you're a grown-up.

Hyrda, your correct. People should get bigger raises based on things like meeting performance targets or promotions to positions of increased responsibility.

If we all only got inflation every year, there would be very little motivation to do anything.

You mean your paycheck isn't enough motication for you to do your job?

[geoffrey]

Yup, its motivation enough to do the bare minimum required to keep my job and get that cheque.

The thought of future promotion and advanced in both status, responsibility and salery is what is my motivator, maybe others don't have that and I made a false assumption? However, I think most people work harder when they know a promotion is upcoming.

Then the added responsibility should come with added pay.

[Hydraboss]

Hicksey, it's not that a paycheck isn't enough to do your job. However, to expect people to excel at their jobs and hopefully motivate them to improve and expand their duties, there has to be the carrot in front of the horse. What I have a problem with is when people expect large increases to an already grossly bloated paycheck without delivering on their part of the bargain.

[Hicksey]

Hicksey, it's not that a paycheck isn't enough to do your job. However, to expect people to excel at their jobs and hopefully motivate them to improve and expand their duties, there has to be the carrot in front of the horse. What I have a problem with is when people expect large increases to an already grossly bloated paycheck without delivering on their part of the bargain.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you hired because you were the best for the job? Isn't the pay for job usually compensatory of the effort and skills required?

As a manager I gave raises to people who showed initiative and worked hard. Those who held their skills held hostage for more money never lasted beyond the probationary period when I was in charge.

If you want more money you work harder and show initiative, you don't hold your skills hostage for more money.

[fryingpan]

Wow, looking at that collective agreement, maybe I'll become a teacher.

Yeah, no kidding. The college teachers on strike over here were offered 95K a year just to get them to go back to work. They turned it down, and they are still negotiating for a better deal.

I was somewhat kidding. I think teachers are paid farily, they do an increidably important job...

I'm not going to go out and start demanding they get paid too little, because there are lot of perks with the job, like entire summers off (to make more money or relax), four weeks vacation during the year, paid professional development and relatively short working hours.

It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost.

So... I think teachers should get raises only set to inflation from here on in and let it be settled.

95K is a LOT where I live. If the teachers got that much they would be making more than everyone except maybe the top ten wealthiest people in the city.

[geoffrey]

Wow, looking at that collective agreement, maybe I'll become a teacher.

Yeah, no kidding. The college teachers on strike over here were offered 95K a year just to get them to go back to work. They turned it down, and they are still negotiating for a better deal.

I was somewhat kidding. I think teachers are paid farily, they do an increidably important job...

I'm not going to go out and start demanding they get paid too little, because there are lot of perks with the job, like entire summers off (to make more money or relax), four weeks vacation during the year, paid professional development and relatively short working hours.

It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost.

So... I think teachers should get raises only set to inflation from here on in and let it be settled.

95K is a LOT where I live. If the teachers got that much they would be making more than everyone except maybe the top ten wealthiest people in the city.

In which city is there only 10 people making $95k+? That is actually beyond unbelievable. Unless it's not a city, and some remote northern town.

[Leafless]

Hicksey

'A teachers strike in Ontario'

WTF does this have to do with FEDERAL POLITICS????

CAN'T READ HICKSEY??????

[fryingpan]

Wow, looking at that collective agreement, maybe I'll become a teacher.

Yeah, no kidding. The college teachers on strike over here were offered 95K a year just to get them to go back to work. They turned it down, and they are still negotiating for a better deal.

I was somewhat kidding. I think teachers are paid farily, they do an increidably important job...

I'm not going to go out and start demanding they get paid too little, because there are lot of perks with the job, like entire summers off (to make more money or relax), four weeks vacation during the year, paid professional development and relatively short working hours.

It does take many years of education to become a teacher though, and they need to be rewarded for their opportunity cost.

So... I think teachers should get raises only set to inflation from here on in and let it be settled.

95K is a LOT where I live. If the teachers got that much they would be making more than everyone except maybe the top ten wealthiest people in the city.

In which city is there only 10 people making $95k+? That is actually beyond unbelievable. Unless it's not a city, and some remote northern town.

A city with extremely high unemployment, 2 major employers which are in a race to see who can downsize the fastest, and the only jobs being created are the minimum wage ones (which are now being jeopardized thanks to the minimum wage increases).

Maybe I'm exaggerating about the number of people making more than 95K a year, but a lot of people don't get anywhere near that (even the dual income families). Most of the ones that did left back in the 90s.

[geoffrey]

One of the auto towns? Oh how Ontario has fallen!

Glad I bailed on that sinking ship.

[fryingpan]

Hicksey, it's not that a paycheck isn't enough to do your job. However, to expect people to excel at their jobs and hopefully motivate them to improve and expand their duties, there has to be the carrot in front of the horse. What I have a problem with is when people expect large increases to an already grossly bloated paycheck without delivering on their part of the bargain.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you hired because you were the best for the job? Isn't the pay for job usually compensatory of the effort and skills required?

As a manager I gave raises to people who showed initiative and worked hard. Those who held their skills held hostage for more money never lasted beyond the probationary period when I was in charge.

If you want more money you work harder and show initiative, you don't hold your skills hostage for more money.

I sure wish more people had that idea. Employees along with employers. There are too many people in unions who sit on their butts and do nothing and then demand to get a raise so they can buy another car.

[fryingpan]

One of the auto towns? Oh how Ontario has fallen!

Glad I bailed on that sinking ship.

Southern Ontario is doing okay. It's the Northern half thats sinking.

The paper mills towns are even worse off. I don't think anyone there makes over 50K a year.

[geoffrey]

One of the auto towns? Oh how Ontario has fallen!

Glad I bailed on that sinking ship.

Southern Ontario is doing okay. It's the Northern half thats sinking.

The paper mills towns are even worse off. I don't think anyone there makes over 50K a year.

I love the hunting there. They should focus more on their tourism industry potential.

[fryingpan]

One of the auto towns? Oh how Ontario has fallen!

Glad I bailed on that sinking ship.

Southern Ontario is doing okay. It's the Northern half thats sinking.

The paper mills towns are even worse off. I don't think anyone there makes over 50K a year.

I love the hunting there. They should focus more on their tourism industry potential.

They would if the government would stop telling them when they can and can't hunt. Or they could open more colleges so the teachers can make a ridiculous amount of money at the taxpayers expense.

[geoffrey]

I love the hunting there. They should focus more on their tourism industry potential.

They would if the government would stop telling them when they can and can't hunt. Or they could open more colleges so the teachers can make a ridiculous amount of money at the taxpayers expense.

I'd love to go deer hunting all year 'round, but there this such thing as sustainable populations.

Other than forestry, mining and paper, what else does the north have?

[Hicksey]

Hicksey

'A teachers strike in Ontario'

WTF does this have to do with FEDERAL POLITICS????

CAN'T READ HICKSEY??????

What does a federal law prohibiting essential services from striking or being locked out have to do with federal politics?

Can't read Leafless?

[fryingpan]

I love the hunting there. They should focus more on their tourism industry potential.

They would if the government would stop telling them when they can and can't hunt. Or they could open more colleges so the teachers can make a ridiculous amount of money at the taxpayers expense.

I'd love to go deer hunting all year 'round, but there this such thing as sustainable populations.

Other than forestry, mining and paper, what else does the north have?

Fast food restaurants, and other jobs that pay minimum wage. Some cities have call centres that pay slightly more than minimum wage. That's about it.