Video: Congressman John Murtha talks about Iraq.

[gerryhatrick]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/05.html#a7402

This guy makes total sense.

The point he makes right at the end of the video about Al Qaeda in Iraq is very salient. I hope more Americans start to hear that message, because it's the truth and it's probably why 70% of American troops beleive the USA should be pulled out within a year.

[geoffrey]

Any source for that 70% want US forces removed?

I don't want a we want to go home to families survey. I want a the US should not be involved survey.

[gerryhatrick]

Any source for that 70% want US forces removed?

I don't want a we want to go home to families survey. I want a the US should not be involved survey.

I want I want.

A respected US congressman is saying it for one thing.

Here's what I found with a quick search, just for you:

The Zogby Poll of 944 soldiers, randomly sampled at several locations throughout the country, showed that 72% think the U.S. should exit Iraq in the next 12 months.

http://www.zogby.com/iraqwarpoll.cfm

[geoffrey]

Any source for that 70% want US forces removed?

I don't want a we want to go home to families survey. I want a the US should not be involved survey.

I want I want.

A respected US congressman is saying it for one thing.

Here's what I found with a quick search, just for you:

The Zogby Poll of 944 soldiers, randomly sampled at several locations throughout the country, showed that 72% think the U.S. should exit Iraq in the next 12 months.

http://www.zogby.com/iraqwarpoll.cfm

Why thank you. I don't really take every politicans words 100% all the time sorry, no matter how respected they are.

I won't accept that survey as evidence since they refuse to publically state their methods. As well, their methodoly was 'random' face to face interviews, which I refute as impossible to score without bias.

When more results come out that are comparable, I'll agree. But one poll, by itself, without methods and locations being released is not what I call evidence. They don't even say what the questions were in their release?

Maybe a year is all we'll need to have the security forces ready to go? Or the world come to their senses and realise we need a UN peacekeeping/security force in Iraq.

But we all know how utterly useless the UN is.

[gerryhatrick]

I won't accept that survey as evidence since they refuse to publically state their methods. As well, their methodoly was 'random' face to face interviews, which I refute as impossible to score without bias.

Oh, you do do you? How do you suppose you can just declare a general refutation of random face to face interviews? Do you believe polling has no basis in science?

And the methods are available. Just because the full report costs you money, doesn't mean it's not available "publically".

John Murtha spells it out for you. Have you seen that video?

[geoffrey]

I won't accept that survey as evidence since they refuse to publically state their methods. As well, their methodoly was 'random' face to face interviews, which I refute as impossible to score without bias.

Oh, you do do you? How do you suppose you can just declare a general refutation of random face to face interviews? Do you believe polling has no basis in science?

And the methods are available. Just because the full report costs you money, doesn't mean it's not available "publically".

John Murtha spells it out for you. Have you seen that video?

Yes I did. I personally don't like the guys attitude. Random face to face interviews tend to be hardly random, how could you say there is no bias? It's a person visually chosing people to participate. Intimidation also applies in face-to-face interviews, but regardless.

I didn't intend to get into this on a 'the crediability of polling' tangent.

If the troops mostly want to go home, the US has a serious morale issue, and this hasn't been reflected in the actions of the troops yet. So I'm cautiously optimistic that the poll is wrong.

[gerryhatrick]

If the troops mostly want to go home, the US has a serious morale issue, and this hasn't been reflected in the actions of the troops yet. So I'm cautiously optimistic that the poll is wrong.

Are you suggesting the troops would stop doing thier jobs in a professional manner just because they believe the policy of remaining in Iraq is a bad one?

And a 72% result is far and away outside the realm of error. If anything the bias that would creep into such face-to-face interviews would be the other way....troops don't like to speak against the known policy of the CinC. You're just being stubborn in not accepting this reality. Zogby is a legit pollster and the poll is scientific. It's not so amazing to think - given everything that's going on - that the troops don't realize themselves that civil war is in the works and they can't do any good by staying. They were confined to base during the latest sectarian strife for krissake.