Canadian Justice System

[Durgan]

People look at murder in Canadian Justice. Televison shows look at usually murder. How about looking at the everyday level. The lower level system gets completely overlooked. This system affects almost everyone coming in contact with the police; drugs, marital confrontations, petty crime, and police complaints to name a few. Unless people come in contact with the system, they think it is working. I suggest it is highly disfunctional in almost all areas. It is simply white-washed by the media and people belive the stories.

AT school 16 Blacks charged with sexual offence. Victim was white in Toronto.

http://exhurnic.notlong.com

Apparently the trials have started. It is hard to find information about this jack-boot police behaviour.

J. Robert Kellermann, a defence lawyer, said the police and the Crown overreacted in arresting and pursuing criminal charges against all 16 of the students.

Some of those charges havd accepted deals, others are going to trial. Many take deals just to end the process inspite of being innocent.

I wonder if some of those charged and found not guilty will sue for Arbritary arrest. This takes money, but I hope some have it.

To some of these people the actions of the police are the punishment. The evidence would seem to be an accusation only in some of the incidents. The police lay a charge with no evidence well knowing that it will not stand up in court, but put those charged through misery and expense. This is standard practice in Canada. This is in spite of Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms which specifically protects citizens from Arbritary Arrest. As far as I know no cop has been charged for this infringement. Usually this tactic is exercised against the poor and unknown. The procedure is the equivalent of the now banished Vagrancy Law. Such is Justice in Canada.

Durgan

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People look at murder in Canadian Justice. Televison shows look at

To some of these people the actions of the police are the punishment. The evidence would seem to be an accusation only in some of the incidents. The police lay a charge with no evidence well knowing that it will not stand up in court, but put those charged through misery and expense. This is standard practice in Canada. This is in spite of Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms which specifically protects citizens from Arbritary Arrest. As far as I know no cop has been charged for this infringement. Usually this tactic is exercised against the poor and unknown. The procedure is the equivalent of the now banished Vagrancy Law. Such is Justice in Canada.

Durgan

Hmm, I don't have all the facts, but again as back in November, no sympathy whatsover for the victim. These guys and gals harassed and threatened the victim for a year and were caught on tape. If they didn't want to be caught up in the system they should have thought of that when they were assaulting the girl.

[Durgan]

Arbitrary arrest and spurious charges are almost a normal situation in Canada.

The police laying the charge well know it will be thrown out of court.

Crown prosecutors seldom look at he case until a few minutes before the trial. These are the street level minor crimes, domestic situations, minor accusations, police irritation with a mouthy citizen, etc.

Arbitrary arrests and detention can leave one isolated and one's family facing economic and social hardships. There is no recourse to justice in these spurious charges. The police walk with no reprimand or financial punishment, and the accused has to suffer the consequences.

A few years ago a Chief Justice spoke about the number of arbitrary arrests with no supporting evidence, but no action was taken. This is a method used by the police to keep society in line. It is a sort of street justice.

It would be interesting to know the statistics on arbitrary arrests and no conviction.

After an arbitrary arrest for wherever reason a charge is layed to protect the police department’s ass. After all Arbitrary Arrest is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but if a charge is layed then that would seem to justify the arrest. It is a sort of catch 22 situation.

An internet google will give many hits about arbitrary arrest in third world countries, but I would like to point out it is alive and well in Canada.

Durgan

[Hicksey]

Arbitrary arrest and spurious charges are almost a normal situation in Canada.

The police laying the charge well know it will be thrown out of court.

Crown prosecutors seldom look at he case until a few minutes before the trial. These are the street level minor crimes, domestic situations, minor accusations, police irritation with a mouthy citizen, etc.

Arbitrary arrests and detention can leave one isolated and one's family facing economic and social hardships. There is no recourse to justice in these spurious charges. The police walk with no reprimand or financial punishment, and the accused has to suffer the consequences.

A few years ago a Chief Justice spoke about the number of arbitrary arrests with no supporting evidence, but no action was taken. This is a method used by the police to keep society in line. It is a sort of street justice.

It would be interesting to know the statistics on arbitrary arrests and no conviction.

After an arbitrary arrest for wherever reason a charge is layed to protect the police department’s ass. After all Arbitrary Arrest is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but if a charge is layed then that would seem to justify the arrest. It is a sort of catch 22 situation.

An internet google will give many hits about arbitrary arrest in third world countries, but I would like to point out it is alive and well in Canada.

Durgan

Could you have possibly picked a worse excuse?

They were caught on tape Durgan. Hardly arbitrary arrest. Hardly spurious charges.

Do I think that its sad that even in today's racial climate that it seems that defendants other than white seem to meet their justice quicker than whites do? Absolutely.

But arbitrary arrest/spurious charges? In the case you cited, its hardly the case.

[Durgan]

Quote.Could you have possibly picked a worse excuse?

They were caught on tape Durgan. Hardly arbitrary arrest. Hardly spurious charges.

Do I think that its sad that even in today's racial climate that it seems that defendants other than white seem to meet their justice quicker than whites do? Absolutely.

But arbitrary arrest/spurious charges? In the case you cited, its hardly the case.

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Don't pee your pants. Some were on tape, this I haven't seen, but I will take your word for it.. Others were just an accusation. Wait until the full story comes out. I am mainly pointing out the arbitrary arrest practice. The story was a fine example to draw attention to the practice. The racial bit is always a line to use if it exists and it is alive and well. I'm black.

Durgan.

[geoffrey]

Quote.Could you have possibly picked a worse excuse?

They were caught on tape Durgan. Hardly arbitrary arrest. Hardly spurious charges.

Do I think that its sad that even in today's racial climate that it seems that defendants other than white seem to meet their justice quicker than whites do? Absolutely.

But arbitrary arrest/spurious charges? In the case you cited, its hardly the case.

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Don't pee your pants. Some were on tape, this I haven't seen, but I will take your word for it.. Others were just an accusation. Wait until the full story comes out. I am mainly pointing out the arbitrary arrest practice. The story was a fine example to draw attention to the practice. The racial bit is always a line to use if it exists and it is alive and well. I'm black.

Durgan.

Justice was quick to Bernardo and Homolka once they found the evidence. And they were your stereotypical white suburbanites (at least thats what they appeared to be).

They committed a crime, they need to go to jail. I don't see why it should be different because they are black? It's on tape!!! How ridiculous!

[Spike22]

People look at murder in Canadian Justice. Televison shows look at usually murder. How about looking at the everyday level. The lower level system gets completely overlooked. This system affects almost everyone coming in contact with the police; drugs, marital confrontations, petty crime, and police complaints to name a few. Unless people come in contact with the system, they think it is working. I suggest it is highly disfunctional in almost all areas. It is simply white-washed by the media and people belive the stories.

AT school 16 Blacks charged with sexual offence. Victim was white in Toronto.

http://exhurnic.notlong.com

OK so what else in new? What is your point

Apparently the trials have started. It is hard to find information about this jack-boot police behaviour.

Your opinion?

J. Robert Kellermann, a defence lawyer, said the police and the Crown overreacted in arresting and pursuing criminal charges against all 16 of the students.

Of course he will say that he is a defence lawyer. that's his job.

Some of those charges havd accepted deals, others are going to trial. Many take deals just to end the process inspite of being innocent.

Haha Ya right innocent hehehehaha

I wonder if some of those charged and found not guilty will sue for Arbritary arrest. This takes money, but I hope some have it.

Fortunately none do unless it is from illegal activity

To some of these people the actions of the police are the punishment. The evidence would seem to be an accusation only in some of the incidents. The police lay a charge with no evidence well knowing that it will not stand up in court, but put those charged through misery and expense. This is standard practice in Canada. This is in spite of Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms which specifically protects citizens from Arbritary Arrest. As far as I know no cop has been charged for this infringement. Usually this tactic is exercised against the poor and unknown. The procedure is the equivalent of the now banished Vagrancy Law. Such is Justice in Canada.

Thankfully there is justice in Canada

[justcrowing]

People look at murder in Canadian Justice. Televison shows look at usually murder. How about looking at the everyday level. The lower level system gets completely overlooked. This system affects almost everyone coming in contact with the police; drugs, marital confrontations, petty crime, and police complaints to name a few. Unless people come in contact with the system, they think it is working. I suggest it is highly disfunctional in almost all areas. It is simply white-washed by the media and people belive the stories.

AT school 16 Blacks charged with sexual offence. Victim was white in Toronto.

http://exhurnic.notlong.com

OK so what else in new? What is your point

Apparently the trials have started. It is hard to find information about this jack-boot police behaviour.

Your opinion?

J. Robert Kellermann, a defence lawyer, said the police and the Crown overreacted in arresting and pursuing criminal charges against all 16 of the students.

Of course he will say that he is a defence lawyer. that's his job.

Some of those charges havd accepted deals, others are going to trial. Many take deals just to end the process inspite of being innocent.

Haha Ya right innocent hehehehaha

I wonder if some of those charged and found not guilty will sue for Arbritary arrest. This takes money, but I hope some have it.

Fortunately none do unless it is from illegal activity

To some of these people the actions of the police are the punishment. The evidence would seem to be an accusation only in some of the incidents. The police lay a charge with no evidence well knowing that it will not stand up in court, but put those charged through misery and expense. This is standard practice in Canada. This is in spite of Trudeau's Charter of Rights and Freedoms which specifically protects citizens from Arbritary Arrest. As far as I know no cop has been charged for this infringement. Usually this tactic is exercised against the poor and unknown. The procedure is the equivalent of the now banished Vagrancy Law. Such is Justice in Canada.

Thankfully there is justice in Canada

Justice ..

[geoffrey]

Justice ..

Whatever these hooligans get, it won't be enough. That's justice in Canada.

[Argus]

.Could you have possibly picked a worse excuse?

They were caught on tape Durgan. Hardly arbitrary arrest. Hardly spurious charges.

Do I think that its sad that even in today's racial climate that it seems that defendants other than white seem to meet their justice quicker than whites do? Absolutely.

But arbitrary arrest/spurious charges? In the case you cited, its hardly the case.

Don't pee your pants. Some were on tape, this I haven't seen, but I will take your word for it.. Others were just an accusation. Wait until the full story comes out.

You haven't waited until the full story came out. You've already found all the defendants innocent. Why is that?

I am mainly pointing out the arbitrary arrest practice. The story was a fine example to draw attention to the practice. The racial bit is always a line to use if it exists and it is alive and well. I'm black.[/font] [/size]

Durgan.

If you want to use an example to point to the problem of arbitrary arrest then find an example of arbitrary arrest. The one you used was NOT such an example. As for the racial bit - I find it almost a sad cliche that the instant they were arrested their parents were out screaming racism, without knowing a damned thing about what happened, with zero sympathy in the victim or any interest in the evidence, and without a single thought their precious children might have done something out of line. So if this case is an example of anything, perhaps it's lousy parenting.

Or hey, maybe Black racism, in all those Black people picking on the White girl.

Oh, we can't say that? If a dozen whites had been arrested for abusing a Black girl a damned lot of people would be saying it.