Disciples of doom

[Leafless]

Howard Stern will soon be back to town carried by Sirius satellite radio.

But already some Canadians are running around like chickens with their head cut off screaming Stern will run afoul of the masters of 'doom and gloom' CBSC and CRTC regulations.

But this is being dismissed by Mark Redmond, Sirius Canada president and CEO.

Are we a country of cultural sissy's? Or is the definiton of 'offensive' becoming closely related to other parts of the planet where they threaten to send out terrorist over cartoons?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...b=Entertainment

[Hollus]

Let Howard say what he wants, if you dont like it dont listen. Simple as that.

[geoffrey]

True.

You do have the choice just to not listen...

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Hollus

You wrote- " You wrote " Let Howard say what he wants, if you don't like it don't listen. Simple as that."

This has always been my policy also. But there seems to be many programs out there that attract a fair size audience but which I and many others consider garbage.

So obviously personal choice has a lot to do with what we watch or listen to.

With this being said why is it certain individuals who object to programs like Mr. Stern's on the grounds of cultural or linguistic objections get the attention of CBSC or CRTC when it is all in the name of a certain brand of comedy that many people find amusing.

Is CBSC or CRTC really in the position intially to ban programming that interferes with freedom of expression and free speech?

For instance I have seen Canadian made films and Candian produced comedy that I find totally offensive that has been aired believe it or not on Canada's national network the CBC.

Why is it CBSC and CRTC considers it perfectly legitimate to insult the intelligence of Canadians with offensive Canadian made entertainment but feels it is in the position to prevent Canadians from watching anything it considers offensive imported entertainment or for that matter even home grown as with Don Cherry and the face mask controversy.

No wonder Canada is viewed as the laughing stock of the world as it seem's the only ones that can produce good, clean, high quality, un-biased programming.

[tml12]

Let Howard say what he wants, if you dont like it dont listen. Simple as that.

Hollus,

I agree with you...

Stern can actually be pretty funny.

[Spike22]

"No wonder Canada is viewed as the laughing stock of the world as it seem's the only ones that can produce good, clean, high quality, un-biased programming."

What the heck? You mean CBC's dry as a popcorn fart programs - yeck.

For a billion dollars of taxpayers $ I want better entertainment then a remake of the Beachcomers or a Rita MacNeil special. [like HNIC, news and documentaries though]

[fellowtraveller]

Isn't CBC a shareholder in Sirius Canada?

Why is our tax money being invested in a commercial broadcaster?

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fellowtraveller

You wrote- " Isn't CBC a shareholder in Sirius Canada?"

Why is our tax money being invested in a commercial broadcaster?

Yes from what I know CBC is a shareholder in Sirius satellite a large one at 40%, with Standard Radio at 40% and Sirius itself at 20%. I think think this sort of sells out their positon as a taxpayer paid for provider of Canadian programming.

Why our tax money is being invested primarily is to increase the fortunes of CBC by making it more accessible.

But I agree as to what buisness is it the CBC to do what they want with tax payers money to support commercial or private buisness. This is unethical and unfair to other Canadian broadcasters and the Canadian tax payer.

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[Hicksey]

Don't worry, there was a report late last week that even Satellite radio told Stern to clean up his act.

Howard used to be funny to me too though. But then I grew up.

[Spike22]

I hope CBC makes some huge coin. Man oh man they are a money losing pig. Then we can stop supporting the drivel that is on there through our taxes - ya good one what was I thinking.

Go Howard, you porn loving, goofy looking freak ya.

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Spike22

You wrote- " I hope CBC makes some huge coin"

But, apparently Howard Stern was not in the initial lineup when CBC signed up.

I don't think CBC should be making any bucks with tax payers money as a private investment.

This will probably all wind up as another Petrocan with the CBC paying some huge penality to get out of it's contract.

The only one that will make money will probably be Sirius Satellite.

This is really funnier than the kind of comedy Howard Stern provides.

[Hollus]

Is CBSC or CRTC really in the position intially to ban programming that interferes with freedom of expression and free speech?

No they're not. However, I do think they have a place in moderating the mediums inwich freedom of speech is expressed. For example: Don Cherry is a very opinionated guy and I love em for it, but when he makes derogatory comments about people based on things outside the realm of the game(like being french), than he's departed from his role as a sports commentator and entered the realm of political punditry. Its fine if Don wants to express these views, just not on Hockey Night in Canada.

Thats interesting that CBC has 40% in sirius. Remember the controversy over addmitung sat. radio to the canadian market. Dont qoute me on this but I think CBC might have those shares to promote Canadian programming in that medium. Think I remember hearing that. Cause the big problem was Sat. radio with 99% US programming would not adhere to canadian content laws. And I do think there is cause for concern in that sense: I was just reading an article in the province(b.c) news the other day that spoke of how in the late 50's early 60' canadian radio would not play anything by canadian artists. The Guess Who were the first canadian band to break on to canadian radio and they did so by fooling the stations into thinking they were British. By the time the stations found out they were canadian there song was already a hit. Once this self directed prejudice was expossed, we developed canadian content law.

And I love the CBC. The hour with strombo, Rick Mercers Monday Report, Passionate Eye. Those are quality programs.

[Spike22]

I think as long as the CBC makes any money at all and rebates the Cdn taxpayer for funds it receives from other sources they should go for it.

Oops this will never happen what was I thinking of. It will no doubt not work because they are a government run/funded organization that always manages to mismanage. They are a cash sucking money pit that can never be satisfied no matter how much you feed it. You are right I want my money back CBC!

[Hicksey]

I hope CBC makes some huge coin. Man oh man they are a money losing pig. Then we can stop supporting the drivel that is on there through our taxes - ya good one what was I thinking.

Go Howard, you porn loving, goofy looking freak ya.

If you think he's bad, go rent The Aristocrats. Its a documentary about a long running joke in the comedy world that gets dirtier than anything you could have ever imagined.

The greatest genius of the joke is that the journey is so great the punchline just doesn't matter.

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Hollus

You wrote- " Once this self directed prejudice was expossed, we developed the Canadian content law."

I believe the Canadian content law was delivered by way of an undemocratic 'task force on the future of the Canadian music industry' the same way 'official bilingualism' was imposed on Canadians as a result from the undemocratic 'Liberal created royal commission on bilingualism and biculturalism.'

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/ac-ca/progs/pad...ubs/f-sum-e.htm

BTW- We are not specifically talking about Don Cherry jokes but more specifically about Howard Stern with some Canadians ready to board the same Don Cherry against free speech train ready to attack Mr. Stern concerning horrible cultural and linguistic jokes even though Mr. Stern does not work for CBC.

[Hollus]

Hollus

You wrote- " Once this self directed prejudice was expossed, we developed the Canadian content law."

I believe the Canadian content law was delivered by way of an undemocratic 'task force on the future of the Canadian music industry' the same way 'official bilingualism' was imposed on Canadians as a result from the undemocratic 'Liberal created royal commission on bilingualism and biculturalism.'

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/ac-ca/progs/pad...ubs/f-sum-e.htm

BTW- We are not specifically talking about Don Cherry jokes but more specifically about Howard Stern with some Canadians ready to board the same Don Cherry against free speech train ready to attack Mr. Stern concerning horrible cultural and linguistic jokes even though Mr. Stern does not work for CBC.

Ya. I never meant to imply that Canadian Content law was bought about by a democratic process. Though, I think its been good for us.

If Don Cherry wants to get a show like Howards he can bash all the nationalities he wants.

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Hollus

You wrote- " Ya, I never meant to imply that the Candian Content Law was brought about by a democratic process. Though I think it's been good for us."

Any law that restricts free choice in a capitalistic market is reminiscent of socialistic values including oppression and for that reason I say it is detrimental to democratic concerns in what is suppose to be a free market. I resent being told forced to watch or listen to Candian productions I have no use for and is nothing more than a cheap cover up for lack of talent and is obvious Canadian productions cannot compete in many areas of the entertainment industry.

You also wrote- " If Don Cherry wants to get a show like Howards he can bash all the nationalities he wants."

Cherry is an entertainer and I only wish he would of told CBC 'to take your job and shove it' which he probably was thinking anyway.

But with the big easy tax payer money he gets from CBC this would be hard to do under any circumstances.

[Riverwind]

Any law that restricts free choice in a capitalistic market is reminiscent of socialistic values including oppression and for that reason I say it is detrimental to democratic concerns in what is suppose to be a free market.

The CRTC does not restrict freedom of choice since American programming is readily available in Canada - people who want to watch it are free to do so. In fact, the CRTC provides Canadians with more choices than what a strictly free market system woudl offer. I don't see how anyone can think that having more choices is a bad thing - even if you do not like the choices.

And don't come back with the 'I should not have to pay for it' crap. I pay directly and through taxes to all sorts of government mandated programs which I do not like because there are enough people who think they are worthwhile. It is asburd to suggest that all gov't programs must have the support 100% of the people. If 37% of popular vote is enough to make Harper PM, then 50%+1 support for something like the CRTC is more than enough.

[Hollus]

Hollus

You wrote- " Ya, I never meant to imply that the Candian Content Law was brought about by a democratic process. Though I think it's been good for us."

Any law that restricts free choice in a capitalistic market is reminiscent of socialistic values including oppression and for that reason I say it is detrimental to democratic concerns in what is suppose to be a free market. I resent being told forced to watch or listen to Candian productions I have no use for and is nothing more than a cheap cover up for lack of talent and is obvious Canadian productions cannot compete in many areas of the entertainment industry.

You also wrote- " If Don Cherry wants to get a show like Howards he can bash all the nationalities he wants."

Cherry is an entertainer and I only wish he would of told CBC 'to take your job and shove it' which he probably was thinking anyway.

But with the big easy tax payer money he gets from CBC this would be hard to do under any circumstances.

If you want to talk about capatilistic and socialistic values there are much more relevent threads than this.

I resent being told forced to watch or listen to Candian productions I have no use for and is nothing more than a cheap cover up for lack of talent and is obvious Canadian productions cannot compete in many areas of the entertainment industry.

Really? My TV came with a remote, so I can choose from quite a variety of programs. However, I usually choose to watch Canadian programing:corner gas, trailer park boys, rick mercer, the hour, cbc news corrospondent, passionate eye, are just a few of the quality canadian made programs. Maybe you'd prefer to watch programs produced in other countries, like CNN's Nancy Grace?

Canada's artists and arts organizations are an economic force at the creative heart of the $39 billion cultural sector -- bigger than the agriculture, forestry, mining and oil and gas sectors combined.

-Genuine Canadian Magazine

Canada is well known for our artistic contributions to the world, we our among the highest artist per capita populations. As I pionted out earlier with the 'guees who' reference, Canada needs canadian content laws inorder to nurture this talent and protect it from being overshadowed by our much larger(though no more talented) nieghbor.

The CBC was right to reprimand Don Cherry. Hockey Night in Canada was not created as a pulpit for social predjudism, there are plenty other more appropriate programs for such dribble(like CNN's Nancy Grace show).

[Hicksey]

Really? My TV came with a remote, so I can choose from quite a variety of programs. However, I usually choose to watch Canadian programing:corner gas, trailer park boys, rick mercer, the hour, cbc news corrospondent, passionate eye, are just a few of the quality canadian made programs. Maybe you'd prefer to watch programs produced in other countries, like CNN's Nancy Grace?

I can't believe you're actually admitting that you watch the trailer park boys!

The cartoons my kids watch are more substantive than that show.

And CBC news is like watching an advertisement for the Liberal party. Makes me sick to watch it.

There's one thing decent on CBC is HNIC and its the only thing you've criticized.

[Hollus]

Really? My TV came with a remote, so I can choose from quite a variety of programs. However, I usually choose to watch Canadian programing:corner gas, trailer park boys, rick mercer, the hour, cbc news corrospondent, passionate eye, are just a few of the quality canadian made programs. Maybe you'd prefer to watch programs produced in other countries, like CNN's Nancy Grace?

I can't believe you're actually admitting that you watch the trailer park boys!

The cartoons my kids watch are more substantive than that show.

And CBC news is like watching an advertisement for the Liberal party. Makes me sick to watch it.

There's one thing decent on CBC is HNIC and its the only thing you've criticized.

Well believe it!

I certianly dont expect everyone to relate to 'trailer park boys'. Just because you've written it off does not mean its a bad show. Its actually quite inteligent in its portrayal of its characters dealing with real life issues. But I can certainly understand how someone would take one look at Ricky and Bubbles and write the

show off as juvinille humor. Although, even without the substance, its funny as a cow-dung fight... and thats pretty funny.

CBC news is bias just as is every form of news. Its up to the viewer to take in as many sources as possible and deduct the truth as best you can. I would say you are a bias viewer.

I did not at all criticize HNIC. What gave you that idea?

[Hicksey]

Really? My TV came with a remote, so I can choose from quite a variety of programs. However, I usually choose to watch Canadian programing:corner gas, trailer park boys, rick mercer, the hour, cbc news corrospondent, passionate eye, are just a few of the quality canadian made programs. Maybe you'd prefer to watch programs produced in other countries, like CNN's Nancy Grace?

I can't believe you're actually admitting that you watch the trailer park boys!

The cartoons my kids watch are more substantive than that show.

And CBC news is like watching an advertisement for the Liberal party. Makes me sick to watch it.

There's one thing decent on CBC is HNIC and its the only thing you've criticized.

Well believe it!

I certianly dont expect everyone to relate to 'trailer park boys'. Just because you've written it off does not mean its a bad show. Its actually quite inteligent in its portrayal of its characters dealing with real life issues. But I can certainly understand how someone would take one look at Ricky and Bubbles and write the show off as juvenile humor. Although, even without the substance, its funny as a cow-dung fight... and thats pretty funny.

CBC news is bias just as is every form of news. Its up to the viewer to take in as many sources as possible and deduct the truth as best you can. I would say you are a bias viewer.

I did not at all criticize HNIC. What gave you that idea?

Maybe I misunderstood the comment about Cherry. Even though he's wrong a lot, I respect him because he says what's on his mind and doesn't sugar coat it. And he's not afraid to speak his mind. In the age of PC its a quality I admire, even if he says some genuinely dumb things now and then.

That show would have been funny to me 15 years ago. But today, I just don't see the humor.

[fellowtraveller]

And I love the CBC. The hour with strombo, Rick Mercers Monday Report, Passionate Eye. Those are quality programs

Good, then you won't mind paying for them directly, by subscription and relieve all those who do not share your joy of that burden. Or, you could pay for my entetainment out of your pocket as I pay for yours. Either way works for me.

Has somebody here tried to somehow link the CBC (taxpayer) investment in Sirius with Canadian content requirements? Crazy talk! XM radio, their competitor, has the same CanCon requirements, and apparently has no need at all of my money- other than by subscription.

CBC has zero business investing in business other than their own.

[Hollus]

And I love the CBC. The hour with strombo, Rick Mercers Monday Report, Passionate Eye. Those are quality programs

Good, then you won't mind paying for them directly, by subscription and relieve all those who do not share your joy of that burden. Or, you could pay for my entetainment out of your pocket as I pay for yours. Either way works for me.

Has somebody here tried to somehow link the CBC (taxpayer) investment in Sirius with Canadian content requirements? Crazy talk! XM radio, their competitor, has the same CanCon requirements, and apparently has no need at all of my money- other than by subscription.

CBC has zero business investing in business other than their own.

Fellowtraveler: If you dont like the canadian made programing on the CBC thats fine, but dont try and take it away from the people that do.

Wheres your contribution to canadian culture? Write us a script and send it in to the CBC so they can give you a voice. Unless of course, your not an artist and have nothing inteligent to say.

[wellandboy]

Fellowtraveler: If you dont like the canadian made programing on the CBC thats fine, but dont try and take it away from the people that do.

The problem with isn't with Canadian made programming on CBC per se, it's just the lack of accountability with what it produces. The CBC is not influenced by the marketplace the same way private broadcasters must do in order to survive. It still gets its government stipend no matter what. A smaller, better broadcaster would serve Canadians better, not the big bloated bureaucracy it has become. There is value to some od CBC's programming, but come on, a lot of it , is really bad.