Conservative/Liberal horserace

[Boru]

All polls, except those run by CTV, show the Liberals slowly gaining ground on the Conservatives.

It seems the momentum on the Conservatives fantastic campaign ahs run dry and they are starting to sputter. But is it too little too late?

While all polls have to be taken in with some wariness for the margin of error, one thing iseems clear.

Ontario is swinging back to the Liberals.

Are we in for a repeat of 2004? The Conservatives were enjoying similar small leads nationally, but were rejected by Ontario when it came to voting day.

[geoffrey]

All polls, except those run by CTV, show the Liberals slowly gaining ground on the Conservatives.

It seems the momentum on the Conservatives fantastic campaign ahs run dry and they are starting to sputter. But is it too little too late?

While all polls have to be taken in with some wariness for the margin of error, one thing iseems clear.

Ontario is swinging back to the Liberals.

Are we in for a repeat of 2004? The Conservatives were enjoying similar small leads nationally, but were rejected by Ontario when it came to voting day.

Not in Quebec, not as far as they've come in Ontario. The Liberals will not win this election.

It's a question of majority or not. Ontario will smarten up when they realise that they want to be represented in a government, and vote Conservative. I don't know many from Toronto that are ok with being ruled by the French and the Rednecks.

[Boru]

All polls, except those run by CTV, show the Liberals slowly gaining ground on the Conservatives.

It seems the momentum on the Conservatives fantastic campaign ahs run dry and they are starting to sputter. But is it too little too late?

While all polls have to be taken in with some wariness for the margin of error, one thing iseems clear.

Ontario is swinging back to the Liberals.

Are we in for a repeat of 2004? The Conservatives were enjoying similar small leads nationally, but were rejected by Ontario when it came to voting day.

Not in Quebec, not as far as they've come in Ontario. The Liberals will not win this election.

It's a question of majority or not. Ontario will smarten up when they realise that they want to be represented in a government, and vote Conservative. I don't know many from Toronto that are ok with being ruled by the French and the Rednecks.

I ahve to admit I don't totally understand who you are calling rednecks.... if anything, redneck would apply much more to the average Conservative supporter and Liberal.

As for representation, Ontario has always done very well under the Liberals. There's a reason why the Liberal's base support is in Ontario, and that won't change any time soon.

Many people, like you I think, are making the mistake of believing people are voting Conservative in ontario. They are voting against the Martin lead Liberals. I ca find no other explanation for Ontario leaning blue, then darting back to the red when it looks like the Conservatives may well cruise into office.

Although you now take a Conservative victory for granted, the race isn't over yet. All the Liberals need to do is win over 4 or 5% in Ontario and a whole slew of seats will come back to their camp.

[geoffrey]

All polls, except those run by CTV, show the Liberals slowly gaining ground on the Conservatives.

It seems the momentum on the Conservatives fantastic campaign ahs run dry and they are starting to sputter. But is it too little too late?

While all polls have to be taken in with some wariness for the margin of error, one thing iseems clear.

Ontario is swinging back to the Liberals.

Are we in for a repeat of 2004? The Conservatives were enjoying similar small leads nationally, but were rejected by Ontario when it came to voting day.

Not in Quebec, not as far as they've come in Ontario. The Liberals will not win this election.

It's a question of majority or not. Ontario will smarten up when they realise that they want to be represented in a government, and vote Conservative. I don't know many from Toronto that are ok with being ruled by the French and the Rednecks.

I ahve to admit I don't totally understand who you are calling rednecks.... if anything, redneck would apply much more to the average Conservative supporter and Liberal.

As for representation, Ontario has always done very well under the Liberals. There's a reason why the Liberal's base support is in Ontario, and that won't change any time soon.

Many people, like you I think, are making the mistake of believing people are voting Conservative in ontario. They are voting against the Martin lead Liberals. I ca find no other explanation for Ontario leaning blue, then darting back to the red when it looks like the Conservatives may well cruise into office.

Although you now take a Conservative victory for granted, the race isn't over yet. All the Liberals need to do is win over 4 or 5% in Ontario and a whole slew of seats will come back to their camp.

I was sarcastically calling myself and follow westerners rednecks. I know we aren't, just what I've been called by Easterners (even though I lived much of my life in T.O.).

If everyone's voting against Liberals in Ontario, its pretty safe to assume most are voting for Conservatives. There can't possibly be that many extreme-left folk out there to all vote NDP (and the NDP's numbers are unchanged pretty much). Unless they are all voting Christian Hertiage Party or Communist.

You are right about the 4 or 5%. It won't happen though, the Liberals have alienated enough people with their off the cuff promises (notwithstanding clause for one, I hope no Canadian supports giving the country to the courts). As well, they no longer have full control of the ethnic group after they alienated religious ethnic groups with SSM.

[Boru]

All polls, except those run by CTV, show the Liberals slowly gaining ground on the Conservatives.

It seems the momentum on the Conservatives fantastic campaign ahs run dry and they are starting to sputter. But is it too little too late?

While all polls have to be taken in with some wariness for the margin of error, one thing iseems clear.

Ontario is swinging back to the Liberals.

Are we in for a repeat of 2004? The Conservatives were enjoying similar small leads nationally, but were rejected by Ontario when it came to voting day.

Not in Quebec, not as far as they've come in Ontario. The Liberals will not win this election.

It's a question of majority or not. Ontario will smarten up when they realise that they want to be represented in a government, and vote Conservative. I don't know many from Toronto that are ok with being ruled by the French and the Rednecks.

I ahve to admit I don't totally understand who you are calling rednecks.... if anything, redneck would apply much more to the average Conservative supporter and Liberal.

As for representation, Ontario has always done very well under the Liberals. There's a reason why the Liberal's base support is in Ontario, and that won't change any time soon.

Many people, like you I think, are making the mistake of believing people are voting Conservative in ontario. They are voting against the Martin lead Liberals. I ca find no other explanation for Ontario leaning blue, then darting back to the red when it looks like the Conservatives may well cruise into office.

Although you now take a Conservative victory for granted, the race isn't over yet. All the Liberals need to do is win over 4 or 5% in Ontario and a whole slew of seats will come back to their camp.

I was sarcastically calling myself and follow westerners rednecks. I know we aren't, just what I've been called by Easterners (even though I lived much of my life in T.O.).

If everyone's voting against Liberals in Ontario, its pretty safe to assume most are voting for Conservatives. There can't possibly be that many extreme-left folk out there to all vote NDP (and the NDP's numbers are unchanged pretty much). Unless they are all voting Christian Hertiage Party or Communist.

You are right about the 4 or 5%. It won't happen though, the Liberals have alienated enough people with their off the cuff promises (notwithstanding clause for one, I hope no Canadian supports giving the country to the courts). As well, they no longer have full control of the ethnic group after they alienated religious ethnic groups with SSM.

Haha, that's quite a contentious issue. What you call giving Canada to the courts, I call a check on governemnt extremism. The notwithstanding clause is a tool that removes much of the Constitution's legitimacy. Although some rights cannot be tinkered with, many can, as displayed by Quebec and the threatening Ralph Klein.

The NDP numbers are little changed. With the Liberal support decaying, it could lead to another dozen-15 NDP seats, depending upon how it plays out.

But, while you thinkit is impossible, I think it is more than possible, even likely, that a sizable NDP base in Ontario will once again lend their votes to the Liberals. 17%-18* nationwide is a good chunk of votes, and more than enough to put the Liberals over the top if even a quarter of that were to strategically vote Martin.]

I don't know if it will happen, but you utterly discounting it as an impossibility is extremely hopeful.

PS- It doesn't take an extreme socialist to vote for NDP. Several moderates vote for them believing that it gives a healthy opposition to the top two right wing parties of Canada.

[geoffrey]

Haha, that's quite a contentious issue. What you call giving Canada to the courts, I call a check on governemnt extremism. The notwithstanding clause is a tool that removes much of the Constitution's legitimacy. Although some rights cannot be tinkered with, many can, as displayed by Quebec and the threatening Ralph Klein.

The NDP numbers are little changed. With the Liberal support decaying, it could lead to another dozen-15 NDP seats, depending upon how it plays out.

But, while you thinkit is impossible, I think it is more than possible, even likely, that a sizable NDP base in Ontario will once again lend their votes to the Liberals. 17%-18* nationwide is a good chunk of votes, and more than enough to put the Liberals over the top if even a quarter of that were to strategically vote Martin.]

I don't know if it will happen, but you utterly discounting it as an impossibility is extremely hopeful.

PS- It doesn't take an extreme socialist to vote for NDP. Several moderates vote for them believing that it gives a healthy opposition to the top two right wing parties of Canada.

King Ralph doesn't have to follow any rules, so removing the notwithstanding clause won't do much here.

I don't know if the NDP voters will cross the floor, Layton is coming across very strong in these final days. I doubt it though. This also doesn't count the seats the NDP will take from the Liberals, and in those ridings the NDP voters will remain behind the NDP.

There are no right wing parties in Canada, we have centre and centre-left. The CPC isn't even where the Democrats are in the US. The NDP is European style socialist.