Blackguard Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Maybe if France would have populated New France instead of simply pursuing fish and furs to send back home to France, French perhaps would be the language of North America. Or if the Canadians (i.e. French Canadians) had joined the Americans in the independance war. The French ruling elite wanted to, but the catholic church had made deals with the English and suppressed the spontaneous desire to rebel against the English oppressor that animated the Canadians. It might have been the U.S.A that would have been a bilingual country. I'm sure the results would have been a lot less conflictual since both people would have joined in a common war against a common ennemy. France was already providing military support to the Americans against England, and were instrumental in their victory. After that we would have had to deal with the Loyalists. Oh cruel History! But for the treachery of the catholic church... It would have been formidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Seabee You wrote- " The federal Supreme Court has ruled time and again you are wrong." I'll bite ---What did they rule???? You also wrote- " The genocides of the Acadians 1755-1763 and the Canadians in 1759-1760 were absolutely unjustified" How far back do you want to go and what does this have to do with Canada??? Fact is France claimed a big parcel of land and could not defend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Blackguard You wrote- " I agree with you Leafless: we need not argue any further if your definate conclusion is that the people of Quebec need to thank the rest of Canada because they are allowed to speak French. In fact I think that is an hillarious preposterous proposition." It can't be that preposterous as you are still a province within the country of Canada so the propositon must have worked. The only thing is your language is commercially dysfunctional and does not do much to create investor confidence in Quebec. Keep this up and you'll keep the apron strings on forever. You should be grateful to Canada for that as your part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Blackguard You wrote- " I agree with you Leafless: we need not argue any further if your definate conclusion is that the people of Quebec need to thank the rest of Canada because they are allowed to speak French. In fact I think that is an hillarious preposterous proposition." It can't be that preposterous as you are still a province within the country of Canada so the propositon must have worked. The only thing is your language is commercially dysfunctional and does not do much to create investor confidence in Quebec. Keep this up and you'll keep the apron strings on forever. You should be grateful to Canada for that as your part of it. Trudeau imposed bilingualism on Canada because he wanted French and English Canadians to be at home and receive services in both languages throughout this country. Canada never became bilingual (but bilingualism became one of the myths of Canada.) It never happened and it never worked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackguard Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 The only thing is your language is commercially dysfunctional and does not do much to create investor confidence in Quebec. Keep this up and you'll keep the apron strings on forever. By the gods, you are either very funny or very ignorant, I can't decide which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Blackguard You wrote- " Trudeau imposed bilingualism on Canada because he wanted French and English Canadians to be at home and receive services in both languages throughout the country. Canada never became bilingual (but bilngualism became one of the myths of Canada.)" Trudeau was never in the positon to impose bilingualism on Canada as it is bad and discriminatory enough that he IMPOSED bilingualism in our Canadian tax payer funded federal public service. But what he did accomplish with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is include sections so Quebec would never have to be assimilated by the English and force provinces to accomodate francophones in certain area while IGNORING Quebec's linguistic responsibilities concerning it's committment to the English. Nice socialist guy in a democratic society bordering the confines of a communist type country. I don't know how Mr. Trudeau ever expected bilingualism to work with such a narrow one sided view concerning bilingualism while ignoring all other languages in an OFFICIAL MULTICULTURAL country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Blackdog You wrote-" By the god's, you are very funny or ignorant, I can't decide which." All I have to say to that if all Quebecer's political perception of Canada is the same as yours, this country is in deep trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Correction: The previous post should have been addressed to Blackguard not Blackdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabee Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Seabee You wrote- " The federal Supreme Court has ruled time and again you are wrong." I'll bite ---What did they rule???? You also wrote- " The genocides of the Acadians 1755-1763 and the Canadians in 1759-1760 were absolutely unjustified" How far back do you want to go and what does this have to do with Canada??? Fact is France claimed a big parcel of land and could not defend it. The federal Supreme Court ruled that it was legal for the Government of the Province of Québec to ask for all commercial signs to be written in French; other languages could also be used, provided that French be predominant, hence the 2/3 size rule. It is impossible to set a cut-off point to history before which we act as if nothing happened. Acadia, after its last conquest by the English, was re-named Nova Scotia, which was later partitioned into present day Nova Scotia and New-Brunswick, both of which are provinces of present-day Canada. Fact is Enland has always claimed just about the whole world and never hesitated to resort to violence against civilians to impose its supremacist claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabee Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 By the god's, you are very funny or ignorant, I can't decide which. Try anglo-supremacist. All I have to say to that if all Quebecer's political perception of Canada is the same as yours, this country is in deep trouble. The Canadian federal Dominion is indeed in big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 seabee You wrote- " Try anglo-supremacist" Must have took a lot of thinking to fiqure that one out concerning numbers on the North American continent-- but out of all the minority cultures in the WORLD to-day being led or influenced by some majority, you actually see yourself as being mistreated at the hands of the horrible English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 seabee You wrote- " Try anglo-supremacist" Must have took a lot of thinking to fiqure that one out concerning numbers on the North American continent-- but out of all the minority cultures in the WORLD to-day being led or influenced by some majority, you actually see yourself as being mistreated at the hands of the horrible English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leafless Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 seabee You wrote- " The Candian federal Dominion is indeed in big trouble" Surely you are not suggesting that in fact you are not part of the Federal Dominion of Canada? The last I heard Quebec is a province within the country of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 seabee You wrote- " The Candian federal Dominion is indeed in big trouble" Surely you are not suggesting that in fact you are not part of the Federal Dominion of Canada? The last I heard Quebec is a province within the country of Canada. One of the big issues I have, and I believe that it undermines federalism, is that Quebec has its own laws regarding immigration, multiculturalism, etc. that other provinces don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 You know a discussion is going nowhere when people start arguing about what happened in 1760. Shades of the Balkans........ French Croats vs. English Serbs nursing ancient grievances...... sad sad sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 You know a discussion is going nowhere when people start arguing about what happened in 1760.Shades of the Balkans........ French Croats vs. English Serbs nursing ancient grievances...... sad sad sad. Leafless asked the question: "majority English provinces...should they be English?" That's a no-brainer...OF COURSE THEY SHOULD... And Ontario should be first, at least following Claude Morin's "Quebec will be as French as..." attitude in the late 1970s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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