Mandatory Voting Senate Bill

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Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote? Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

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[politika]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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This is a bit odd of a topic considering its been a month since this idea was presented but it has been in hibernation sinse. But I will answer your question anyway.

Yes, I think their should be mandatory voting. Every generation their is a loss in the number of people voting and watching the news earlier this morning it said a wopping 38% of young adults vote. That is horrbile that is below 50%. I just truned legal voting age and I definatly plan to vote in this up coming election it will be exciting as it is my first vote.

But here's my view why are we a democracy if nobody cares? I think a day under a dictatorship would motivate people to vote wouldn't you agree?

[normanchateau]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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Ridiculous idea. I may not agree with my CPC opponents on this board but at least I credit them with having considerable knowledge. I would like to think that those who vote actually have knowledge rather than are voting in order not be fined.

[politika]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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Ridiculous idea. I may not agree with my CPC opponents on this board but at least I credit them with having considerable knowledge. I would like to think that those who vote actually have knowledge rather than are voting in order not be fined.

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would it change your answer to know that they may put a possible "non of the above" to spoil the ballot, that way if you have no favourites you dont have to vote for them.

[normanchateau]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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Ridiculous idea. I may not agree with my CPC opponents on this board but at least I credit them with having considerable knowledge. I would like to think that those who vote actually have knowledge rather than are voting in order not be fined.

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would it change your answer to know that they may put a possible "non of the above" to spoil the ballot, that way if you have no favourites you dont have to vote for them.

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that would be an improvement but I see little purpose in government getting involved in forcing people to vote who are disinterested and uninformed and are voting merely to avoid a fine.

[politika]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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Ridiculous idea. I may not agree with my CPC opponents on this board but at least I credit them with having considerable knowledge. I would like to think that those who vote actually have knowledge rather than are voting in order not be fined.

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would it change your answer to know that they may put a possible "non of the above" to spoil the ballot, that way if you have no favourites you dont have to vote for them.

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that would be an improvement but I see little purpose in government getting involved in forcing people to vote who are disinterested and uninformed and are voting merely to avoid a fine.

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Well I think young adults like me are not voteing meerely because of the fact that, they have "more important things do do" and that to me is no excuse. To me voting is your involvement and participation in soceity, It is the one thing that is required to do and i see no harm in it it takes 5 minutes out of your life every few years and plus you get a free ride to the polls byt your favourite parties representitive, whats not to like

[normanchateau]

Well I think young adults like me are not voteing meerely because of the fact that, they have "more important things do do" and that to me is no excuse.  To me voting is your involvement and participation in soceity, It is the one thing that is required to do and i see no harm in it it takes 5 minutes out of your life every few years and plus you get a free ride to the polls byt your favourite parties representitive, whats not to like 

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I'm delighted that young adults like you are voting but I see no purpose in forcing those who don't care about the issues to vote. And the same holds for older people.

[southerncomfort]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

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This is a bit odd of a topic considering its been a month since this idea was presented but it has been in hibernation sinse. But I will answer your question anyway.

Yes, I think their should be mandatory voting. Every generation their is a loss in the number of people voting and watching the news earlier this morning it said a wopping 38% of young adults vote. That is horrbile that is below 50%. I just truned legal voting age and I definatly plan to vote in this up coming election it will be exciting as it is my first vote.

But here's my view why are we a democracy if nobody cares? I think a day under a dictatorship would motivate people to vote wouldn't you agree?

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Indeed I would agree, I kinda like the idea of mandatory voting, get them out of their cushy chairs and make them do something.

[Darren Dirt]

Should we follow Australia and require citizens to vote?  Wouldn't it be just more government intrusion into our lives ?

http://www.fcpp.org/main/media_file_detail.php?StreamID=305

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is a bit odd of a topic considering its been a month since this idea was presented but it has been in hibernation sinse. But I will answer your question anyway.

Yes, I think their should be mandatory voting. Every generation their is a loss in the number of people voting and watching the news earlier this morning it said a wopping 38% of young adults vote. That is horrbile that is below 50%. I just truned legal voting age and I definatly plan to vote in this up coming election it will be exciting as it is my first vote.

But here's my view why are we a democracy if nobody cares? I think a day under a dictatorship would motivate people to vote wouldn't you agree?

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in response to a few of the posts at:

www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26752&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

I decided to post a response with my own observations and queries.

I think the aforementioned response might be applicable here as well. Food for thought, at the very least.

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Hello folks.

For those of you interested in freedom, and in calling the opposite as what it is -- TYRANNY -- I suggest the following.

#1. Grab your nearest dictionary (online if you wish) and look up the word "freedom". Someone above has already suggested you do this for the word "government", and has demonstrated govern-ment is simply control-ment -- and this you quickly realize is a core truth, whether or not the method is obvious violence (i.e. dictatorship, despotism) or subtle threats via public indoctrination, squelching dissent and open debate, making examples of criminals, etc. (communism, socialism, and yes even democracy -- which is 3 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner).

So now I suggest you also look up FREEDOM, and you will see that this word, at its core, means "absence of restraint and coercion".

Therefore, govern-ment is anti-freedom, because by *definition* it is all about restraint and coercion. This is a fact, not an opinion, and you don't have to "trust" me by "faith" that this is so. Check it out yourself if you do not believe me, and use your common sense/intuition/conscience instead of trusting experts or pundits or politicians, or even the strange Mr. Darren Dirt.

#2. Do you think you live in a "free" society? Perhaps you've been brainwashed -- listen to Mike Malloy's classic 17 minute "How to make your people accept totalitarian rule in 5 easy steps". You may for the first time realize just how many of your beliefs about "politics" come from fear... and where that fear originates (hint: it's not from factual, objective reality -- it's opinions yet again ) http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/mike_malloy-bush1984.mp3

#3. After all this, do you still think you can "own" "your" government? Are you still unwavering about your beliefs about who exactly is the slave and who is the massah? Do you think "your" "representative" is accountable to you? Have you ever tried to "sue" one of those when they are not, in fact "representing" your beliefs and desires?

Do you still think you can send a message by "voting the scoundrels out of office" if they don't do what "you" want them to do? Ask yourself this: What exactly is voting? Is it not an action undertaken by a single individual, attempting to declare that they want another person to "represent" them, but also to "represent" EVERYONE ELSE in a certain geographic region? While you may personally delegate your power upon another individual to do something you presently have the right to do, you do NOT have the right to delegate to others any power you do NOT have! So do you presently have the right to control ANOTHER individual who does not consent to your rule over them (if they are even aware of your claim)? And if not, how then can you possibly delegate this power to another alleged "representative"? Is it not true that, simply, that is impossible?

And remember, didn't you "vote" by "secret ballot"? Therefore the candidate who was "elected" has no way of PROVING that they have ANY principals on whose behalf they are acting as an agent! No true accountability, even if a "law" was passed that said they could be held accountable (which would never happen, of course).

The words "voting", "public servant" or "government agent" or "elected representative" are tossed about so often, we never question what those words MEAN.

What, exactly, is voting? It is violence, at its core. It is violence based on myth. It is a naive optimistic individual (benevolent, hopefully) who wishes to have his or her opinion imposed on thousands of others (i.e. fellow "constituents"), via the armed forces of that region (i.e. "police", "judges", etc.).

Please also check out what I posted (with no responses, surprise surprise) re. voting on this forum: http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topi...g27870#msg27870

And how about those other words? Check out the following "open letter" to those alleged "representatives" -- questioning the meaning of simple words like "constituent", or "agent": Dear Public Servant: What is a "Constituent"?

Wow, I didn't expect to dump all this on here at once. When I see all these kind of words tossed around without being questioned, I guess it stirs up something inside me. Truth is very important to me, as is consent, choice, and overall GENUINE freedom.

Not this political doublespeak, i.e. "We're bringing freedom to the people of Iraq... by murdering tens of thousands of innocents and imposing our system of control, democracy, which our own 'founding fathers' said was essentially MOB-ocracy!" Blech. If this kind of message didn't have the political spin and wasn't repeated so often by the media lapdogs, then thinking people would see it for the fraud that it truly is.

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Please feel free to post here in response to anything I've said here, hopefully and ideally with facts to back up your opinion. I'm staying away from personal attacks, speculations, and "what about the children" type of arguments, and I hope the rest of you do the same.

Also, if you want to contact me privately, feel free to do so at the http://dragondirt.proboards44.com/ forum (where I've posted the "open letter" re. "constituent") as I am not sure how often I will be on this forum.

In truth for freedom,

Darren Dirt.

21Dec2005