"pervert" alert - face to face danger

[RB]

Dateline hidden camera investigation turns spotlight on Internet predators

Should we have stricter guidelines governing the use of internet chat rooms?

Children are spending lots of hours online chatting with friends and also strangers.

From the Dateline investigation, with help from an online vigilante group called "Perverted Justice". The group monitors and posed as children. With this investigation the chat was over an period of time much sexually explicit conversations with adults who wanted to meet for sex with a minor, adults were invited over to a house.

"In two-and-a-half days, 18 men show up at our house after making a date on the Internet to commit statutory rape."

Including:

Rabbi

New York City firefighter

Teachers

Doctor

Military officers

one in five children online is approached by a sexual predator, a predator who may try to set up a face-to-face meeting

[Montgomery Burns]

Dateline hidden camera investigation turns spotlight on Internet predators

Should we have stricter guidelines governing the use of internet chat rooms?

Children are spending lots of hours online chatting with friends and also strangers.

From the Dateline investigation, with help from an online vigilante group called "Perverted Justice".  The group monitors and posed as children.  With this investigation the chat was over an period of time much sexually explicit conversations with adults who wanted to meet for sex with a minor, adults were invited over to a house.

"In two-and-a-half days, 18 men show up at our house after making a date on the Internet to commit statutory rape."

Including:

Rabbi

New York City firefighter

Teachers

Doctor

Military officers

one in five children online is approached by a sexual predator, a predator who may try to set up a face-to-face meeting

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I thought this thread was about the left's beloved kiddy-diddler Scott Ritter.

[tml12]

Dateline hidden camera investigation turns spotlight on Internet predators

Should we have stricter guidelines governing the use of internet chat rooms?

Children are spending lots of hours online chatting with friends and also strangers.

From the Dateline investigation, with help from an online vigilante group called "Perverted Justice".  The group monitors and posed as children.  With this investigation the chat was over an period of time much sexually explicit conversations with adults who wanted to meet for sex with a minor, adults were invited over to a house.

"In two-and-a-half days, 18 men show up at our house after making a date on the Internet to commit statutory rape."

Including:

Rabbi

New York City firefighter

Teachers

Doctor

Military officers

one in five children online is approached by a sexual predator, a predator who may try to set up a face-to-face meeting

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I thought this thread was about the left's beloved kiddy-diddler Scott Ritter.

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That was low...Montgomery.

However, for some reason I found it very funny for reasons I have, for the last few minutes, been trying to figure out.

[Argus]

Dateline hidden camera investigation turns spotlight on Internet predators

Should we have stricter guidelines governing the use of internet chat rooms?

No.

"In two-and-a-half days, 18 men show up at our house after making a date on the Internet to commit statutory rape."

The girl was 14. Interestingly enough, 14 year olds are legal in Canada. In fact, the NDP, the Liberals and the BQ joined up shoulder to shoulder to vote down a Tory bill which would have raised the age of consent to 16

And don't think that's not going to come back to bite them on the ass in the next election. The Tories claims that the Liberals supported kiddy porn were idiotic last election. But they can legitimately condemn all the other parties for supporting the right of adults to have sex with 14 year old kids.

In any event, how many 14 year old girls are going to go on the internet, ask for sex, and give out their address? Get real. And if they wanted sex I'm sure they'd have no difficulty finding it without the internet. All they'd have to do is ask for it at the nearest football game or shopping mall. Believe me, they'd likely have little difficulty finding men willing to follow them home.

[PocketRocket]

Actually, ARGUS, the girl CLAIMED to be 14.

Remember, this was about an adult pretending to be a teenager who is "interested in sex".

Is anyone really surprised???

I agree with ARGUS in this point.

If a girl puts up a sign saying "I want sex", she will have no trouble finding someone to accomodate her wishes, no matter where she chooses to advertise.

I would be interested in seeing the actual transcripts.

I mean if the guys were actively trying to lead a kid on, knowing fully well she's 14, it's pretty disgusting.

If they simply got on line and said "Hey, I'm young, pretty, and hot-to-trot, come and get me big boy", then it's still pretty sad, but it sure makes the outcome even more predictable.

Either way, it's a sad commentary.

[tml12]

Actually, ARGUS, the girl CLAIMED to be 14.

Remember, this was about an adult pretending to be a teenager who is "interested in sex".

Is anyone really surprised???

I agree with ARGUS in this point.

If a girl puts up a sign saying "I want sex", she will have no trouble finding someone to accomodate her wishes, no matter where she chooses to advertise.

I would be interested in seeing the actual transcripts.

I mean if the guys were actively trying to lead a kid on, knowing fully well she's 14, it's pretty disgusting.

If they simply got on line and said "Hey, I'm young, pretty, and hot-to-trot, come and get me big boy", then it's still pretty sad, but it sure makes the outcome even more predictable.

Either way, it's a sad commentary.

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This is true. We cannot have a truly educated discussion about this until we know whether or not they knew her age. Otherwise, it is just another case of the Internet is bad, etc.

[Argus]

Actually, ARGUS, the girl CLAIMED to be 14.

Remember, this was about an adult pretending to be a teenager who is "interested in sex".

Is anyone really surprised???

I agree with ARGUS in this point.

If a girl puts up a sign saying "I want sex", she will have no trouble finding someone to accomodate her wishes, no matter where she chooses to advertise.

I would be interested in seeing the actual transcripts.

I mean if the guys were actively trying to lead a kid on, knowing fully well she's 14, it's pretty disgusting.

If they simply got on line and said "Hey, I'm young, pretty, and hot-to-trot, come and get me big boy", then it's still pretty sad, but it sure makes the outcome even more predictable.

Either way, it's a sad commentary.

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This is true. We cannot have a truly educated discussion about this until we know whether or not they knew her age. Otherwise, it is just another case of the Internet is bad, etc.

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Assume they thought she was 14. So what? What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

[tml12]

Actually, ARGUS, the girl CLAIMED to be 14.

Remember, this was about an adult pretending to be a teenager who is "interested in sex".

Is anyone really surprised???

I agree with ARGUS in this point.

If a girl puts up a sign saying "I want sex", she will have no trouble finding someone to accomodate her wishes, no matter where she chooses to advertise.

I would be interested in seeing the actual transcripts.

I mean if the guys were actively trying to lead a kid on, knowing fully well she's 14, it's pretty disgusting.

If they simply got on line and said "Hey, I'm young, pretty, and hot-to-trot, come and get me big boy", then it's still pretty sad, but it sure makes the outcome even more predictable.

Either way, it's a sad commentary.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is true. We cannot have a truly educated discussion about this until we know whether or not they knew her age. Otherwise, it is just another case of the Internet is bad, etc.

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Assume they thought she was 14. So what? What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

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OK putting it that way then the argument, in principle, must be more about 11 or 12-year olds going on the Internet and having sexually explicit chats.

[Argus]

Assume they thought she was 14. So what? What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

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OK putting it that way then the argument, in principle, must be more about 11 or 12-year olds going on the Internet and having sexually explicit chats.

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I would think it unlikely that is going to be a major problem. The kids that age I know of hardly even think about sex except as something icky.

[tml12]

Assume they thought she was 14. So what? What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

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OK putting it that way then the argument, in principle, must be more about 11 or 12-year olds going on the Internet and having sexually explicit chats.

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I would think it unlikely that is going to be a major problem. The kids that age I know of hardly even think about sex except as something icky.

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In that case, then I wouldn't go crazy other than to say we should still be wary of predators on the Internet.

[lovecanada]

As I have a 12 year old who still thinks girls are "silly", but spends a lot of time online, I have alerted him to the dangers of chatting with strangers, but I can't be watching him all the time. He actually messages me when he goes online so I can monitor his chat. How much longer that will lasts who knows.

Argus - can you tell me where I can get any information on who voted for or against the bill to increase the age of consent from 14 to 16?? I really want to email those who didn't support it and protest. I was also called a liar in another forum for saying that the NDP did not support it and I would like to prove that I am right .

[newbie]

What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

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Don't be playing party politics. It was Mulroney's group who instituted the age of consent in case you forgot. And the bill Casson introduced would have 14 year olds with a criminal record for necking.

[tml12]

As I have a 12 year old who still thinks girls are "silly", but spends a lot of time online, I have alerted him to the dangers of chatting with strangers, but I can't be watching him all the time. He actually messages me when he goes online so I can monitor his chat. How much longer that will lasts who knows.

Argus - can you tell me where I can get any information on who voted for or against the bill to increase the age of consent from 14 to 16?? I really want to email those who didn't support it and protest. I was also called a liar in another forum for saying that the NDP did not support it and I would like to prove that I am right .

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How each MP voted on that Bill can be found here:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/chambus...htm#SOB-1387411

[lovecanada]

Thank you tml12.. I found it. And as for it being illegal for 14 year olds to neck, it should be if it's with an adult! When young girls today think that a BJ is not sex, then maybe the laws need to be changed to protect them. Can you honestly tell me that a 14 year old is mature enough to make good choices about sex but are not mature enough to drive or vote??

[tml12]

Thank you tml12.. I found it. And as for it being illegal for 14 year olds to neck, it should be if it's with an adult! When young girls today think that a BJ is not sex, then maybe the laws need to be changed to protect them. Can you honestly tell me that a 14 year old is mature enough to make good choices about sex but are not mature enough to drive or vote??

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No I cannot. I don't really mind a 14 year old having sex with another teenager. But with someone who is in university or older? It just doesn't seem right. The problem is, a lot of 14 and 15 year olds are having sex. A friend of mine was working in the YMCA and was talking with 15 year olds about sex. The only problem? 1/3 of them were already having sex on a regular basis. Is it right or is it wrong? The question then shifts to a moral one.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear lovecanada,

And as for it being illegal for 14 year olds to neck, it should be if it's with an adult! When young girls today think that a BJ is not sex, then maybe the laws need to be changed to protect them.

The laws don't need to be changed, the parents of the children do.

Why should the gov't (or laws) be expected to show the difference to children between right and wrong? Shouldn't that be the job of the parents? Sadly, the parents of today have taken for a job 'lining up to suckle at the teat of the golden calf' rather than take any hand in the 'moral rearing' of their children.

Why should the law protect teens from 'sexploitation' when their own parents don't care enough to?

Sexual predation is not new, only easier. Easier for many reasons, not just 'internettal anonymity'.

[lovecanada]

I agree, parents have to be the ones responsible for their children. But, what about the 14 year old child who has a 30 year old friend that they CONSENT to have sex with?? The parents, by LAW, can do nothing about it. So, your 14 year old meets some sexual preditor they met on the internet, and because of the law in Canada, parents and police are helpless! It just doesn't make sense.

[Argus]

What's wrong with having sex with fourteen year olds? Three of our federal political parties voted in favour of adults having sex with 14 year olds. And there was no great rush of national anger or disgust. Did it change a single vote? Is one person who voted Liberal or NDP going to vote Tory next election because the Liberals believe it's okay for adults to have sex with 14 year olds? You don't see any of the Liberal or NDP supporters here renouncing their party, do you?

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Don't be playing party politics. It was Mulroney's group who instituted the age of consent in case you forgot. And the bill Casson introduced would have 14 year olds with a criminal record for necking.

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You are wrong on all counts. Mulroney did not lower the age of consent. What happened during Mulroney's time was that the age of consent for homosexual sex was lowered to match the age of consent for "normal" sex". In fact, the age of consent has been 14 since 1890, having been raised at that time, from twelve.

Also, the bill Casson introduced would not have criminliazed kissing. The suggestion is absurd. He also was perfectly willing to accept a three year age protection limit which would have allowed 17 year olds to have sex with 14 year olds, or 18 year olds to have sex with 15 year olds. Cottler claimed that the bill would have criminalized "puppy love", but that would only be true if the puppy in question was an adult. Frankly, adults should not be having sex with children. Period. And he deliberately used a term "puppy love" which evokes innocent, childish crushes, not hot sweaty grunting and humping between a twenty eight year old man and a 14 year old girl.

I wonder if he'd use "puppy love" to describe one of his cabinet colleagues, a married, middle-aged man, and a teenage boy prostitute he kept in an apartment near parliament hill.

[RB]

Actually, ARGUS, the girl CLAIMED to be 14.

Remember, this was about an adult pretending to be a teenager who is "interested in sex".

Is anyone really surprised???

I agree with ARGUS in this point.

If a girl puts up a sign saying "I want sex", she will have no trouble finding someone to accomodate her wishes, no matter where she chooses to advertise.

I would be interested in seeing the actual transcripts.

I mean if the guys were actively trying to lead a kid on, knowing fully well she's 14, it's pretty disgusting.

If they simply got on line and said "Hey, I'm young, pretty, and hot-to-trot, come and get me big boy", then it's still pretty sad, but it sure makes the outcome even more predictable.

Either way, it's a sad commentary.

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I think they were going to post the transcripts at Perverted Justice

http://www.perverted-justice.com/

How would a girl put up a sign that said "I want sex"? Then what signals would boys give out that they wanted to have sex

Most of the men that show up at the house wanted to have sex with boys, the interviewer mentioned conversations of girls but the majority is predators for boys - the Yahoo chat rooms was mentioned

The perverts on the net asked the so called young person whether they were virgins and also knew how old the children were when they crossed the boundries.

I think most of these politicians are so old that they are myopic in their vision of setting standards, and lagging behind a perspective in the damage that technology can cause - their frame of reference is their 40 year old kids that did not deal with technology

[Canuck E Stan]

argus,

Is our beloved Canadian media not mentioning this story because they are afraid of a law suit or because they see nothing wrong with old timer doggy style sex with young pups?

[lovecanada]

great post Argus...sorry don't know how to use quotes yet. I love it when someone has the facts. And why would raising the age from 14 to 16 make necking or "puppy love" illegal? It wasn't illegal at 14 why would it be at 16? False premises being used by opponents to the bill to justify their lack of support to the youth of Canada I think.

[Argus]

argus,

Is our beloved Canadian media not mentioning this story because  they are afraid of a law suit  or because they see nothing wrong with old timer doggy style sex with young pups?

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Yes.

[newbie]

This is the bill in question.

B. Bill C-15 (1)

Amendments to the Criminal Code in 1988 repealed the aforementioned unlawful intercourse and seduction offences. In their place, Bill C-15 created new offences called "sexual interference" and "invitation to sexual touching" that now prohibit adults from engaging in virtually any kind of sexual contact with either boys or girls under the age of 14, irrespective of consent. Introduced at the same time, the offence of "sexual exploitation" also makes it an offence for an adult to have any such contact with boys and girls over 14 but under 18, where a relationship of trust or authority exists between the adult and child.

Read Casson's bill as well:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlbus/chambus...13_cover-E.html

It still criminalizes any kind of sexual activity (kissing) between two people under 16.

[lovecanada]

Oh and who is going to turn in all these kissing kids?? Their parents? Are the police going looking for young kissing offenders? Do the police not have any common sense and ability to judge a true offense when it occurs? Are our judges so misguided that they are going to put a 14 year old in jail for kissing? It's not a logical argument.

[newbie]

Oh and who is going to turn in all these kissing kids?? Their parents? Are the police going looking for young kissing offenders? Do the police not have any common sense and ability to judge a true offense when it occurs? Are our judges so misguided that they are going to put a 14 year old in jail for kissing? It's not a logical argument.

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Might not be logical but it would be law if Casson had his way.