AsksWhy Posted July 17, 2017 Report Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, Argus said: On 7/14/2017 at 4:48 AM, AsksWhy said: "confidence in our values" ... What are OUR values as a collective whole? I think it might be hard for the West (or any other division) to draw a line in the sand on this one. It's like art. Define art. Well, I know it when I see it. We can more definitely state what is not art, and what are not our values. Female genital mutilation, for example, is not one of them. Wife beating/rape: not one of them. Killing or jailing homosexuals: not one of them. Women defined in law as inferior and required to obey men and wear sacks over their heads: not one of them. Gender separation: Not one of them. Societal laws governed by religion: not one of them. Bans on blaspheme and insulting religious figures: not one of them. Sexual harassment: not one of them. One value I'd like to call collective which is sadly in decline: Self reliance. Self reliance ... it makes sense that you'd say that, considering your timeworn Right Wing ideologies. As for your art / value analogy ... Isn't it better to build relationships from common ground? Establish similar values first and work from there.? - www.cmhc.utexas.edu 15 hours ago, Argus said: Quote "respect for our citizens to protect our borders" ... Protect our borders from who (or what)? Are these real or perceived fears? I think as we've seen in Europe, if you allow masses of foreigners to flood into your nation in a short period of time, and they are not assimilated, then what you've done is established foreign influences that water down your own values and culture. The more of them you have, the more watered down you are, until suddenly, hey, the signs are in foreign languages, and there are gender separations in the swimming pools, and half the girls in school wear hijabs and women are harassed at the beaches and pools and in the streets. Then you have police with automatic weapons everywhere, trying to keep order, and you need to spend five hours in a line before you can get on Parliament Hill for a celebration for fear someone might want to blow themselves up... Do you think the Poles have to do a careful airport type search of everyone entering a celebration? Nope. Nor do they wish to start. Do all right wingers have Paranoid Personality Disorder? 15 hours ago, Argus said: Quote Personally, I think we can avoid such an event, if we can devise a plan to phase out personal ownership and share things as a collective whole. Marxism has never worked anywhere. And 'sharing personal ownership' means me sharing what I own with people in Africa who own nothing. No thanks. Marxism is merely a theory that suggests capitalist economics will create a class struggle that will lead to crisis, resulting in socialism and eventually communism. To dismiss this idea as "stupid" or regard it as something that "will never happen" is self-righteous and irresponsible. As for your third world country comment: your idea of sharing seems small-scale and naive; perhaps personal space law could be expanded to define maximum personal ownership at any one instance in time. No? Edited July 17, 2017 by AsksWhy Quote
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