AlienB Posted July 12, 2013 Report Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/much+blood+Researchers+fear+gift+life+sometimes+endanger/8652224/story.html Ok so it appears it is safer not to get transfusions I recalled that story from a few years back about a doctor forcing a Jehovah's kid to get a transfusion against the wishes of her parents. People saw it as "crazy religious beliefs" but it appears it is medically a better practice.. go figure.. So will the courts now back up and reverse their position on taking away parental rights to treatment and being the agent of informed consent? It appears the courts and the medical community increased risk to the child not lowered it while also alienating parents and their rligious beliefs in terms of acceptable treatment. Why is informed consent not absolute that if it is not consented the operation or activity cannot be performed. Edited July 12, 2013 by AlienB Quote
The_Squid Posted July 13, 2013 Report Posted July 13, 2013 Religion should not be a factor when it comes to medical treatments, especially for children who don't have the capacity to decide for themselves. The current best medical practices should advise doctors on how to proceed with treatments, not the superstitious belief. It may have happened that blood transfusions may no longer be the best practice. If it isn't, then it will change, but not because of some silly religious belief. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted July 13, 2013 Report Posted July 13, 2013 LMAO OK you go pray to god and I'll go to the doctor. Lets see who survives longer. If you refuse to give your child life saving treatment based on a religious belief you're cracked. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
AlienB Posted July 13, 2013 Author Report Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) LMAO OK you go pray to god and I'll go to the doctor. Lets see who survives longer. If you refuse to give your child life saving treatment based on a religious belief you're cracked. I find it pathetic people put science before religion. Obviously you must be an atheist and don't understand reality, while people are entitled to their views athiests are missing a basis for their own existence, how can you have sound choices if you have no foundation.. more or less your foundation is totally based upon physical experiements. That is a narrow view, there is more to life than the physical world, people have minds and thoughts that do not dwell in the physical world, we have emotions,, experiences, and senses which are not matarial but spirtual and immaterial. You are the one without the full view. .. Well your experiments WERE WRONG... geuss what you are wrong.. your past is wrong why would another thing not be wrong.. you aren't sure you just think it might be, that isn't exactly law or solid belief that is guess work, how does that differ from your view of religion? Religion is about the world of the mind and spirit that which humans exist in, not a physical tangents. why do anything if there is no purpose or meaning. If not mental bias is exercised there would be no basis for anything. Life isn't all about biology. The mind is more important than the body. It is contrary to medical ethics to force treatment without informed consent. People in Canada are suppose to have freedom of conscience and belief. People are suppose to be able to refuse treatment if it is against their wishes. All laws forcing treatment is contrary to the Nuremburg Laws on Human Rights regarding inviolability of the human body, and Medical Ethics, as well as a violation of the Charter and Bill of Rights. Parents are suppose to be the mens of the minor until they reach age and majority. The courts to step in while those parents are not deemed mentally incapacitated reasonably is completely uncalled for and wrong. People should not be forced to a totalitarian world view where a cult of science rules life choices. It is wrong to without consent of someone to force treatment on them. No you are cracked because you think a thermometer provides rationality for how to act rather than your beliefs for how the world works. . I don't need a thermometer to know its hot or cold. People die all the time, there is more to life than this life and biology. The purpose of life is not simply to keep breathing, we do that anyway. Peoples beliefs for how they are to live their lives are more important than someone else saying they must live. People are suppose to be free and have the right to determine their own life. We don't need other people telling us how to live. Its our life not yours. My life is a prayer. It wasn't a life saving treatment, it increased the risk, read the article. I think I know you are guessing see the difference. I'll be happy when I'm gone you and your science has made earth a sh1tty place to live. It is a world without heart and rather a totalitarian greed driven field of stone and glass. We live how long we live. Violating peoples choice in their life to further your own isn't moral it is selfish and wrong. If I say I don't want medical treatment I mean it. It 110% is unethical to force medicine on people who don't want it. Your society is one without respect for individual choice, and I spit on that. Edited July 13, 2013 by AlienB Quote
The_Squid Posted July 13, 2013 Report Posted July 13, 2013 Children cannot give informed consent. It is their parents who are putting them in danger. Quote
AlienB Posted July 13, 2013 Author Report Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) Children cannot give informed consent. It is their parents who are putting them in danger. The family unit should come before the state in terms of decision making within the family unit, for minors. For adults it should be the individuals choice of who if anyone is to be their power of attorney. People should not be forced to a power of attorney. People who can communicate should not be deemed to be unsound solely because their response isn't deemed responsible or is contrary to the wishes of the party who wishes to violate the individuals choices for their own reasons. The Squid according to this report, the doctor put the kid in danger not the other way around. Who is right? It is a conflict of interest for the doctor to determine the merit of the procedure because they are applying values rather than performing a treatment. Doctors are not trained to be judges, they are trained to be doctors. There was a gaurdian that being the parents, so there was no need to turn to the state. The doctor was playing judge. But those parents wern't locked up for being insane, because in Canada you are suppose to have the ability to freely practice your religion. Just because you don't agree with or like that religion doesn't give you the right to say people arn't allowed to practice it. Frankly you have no Fing clue how life works, you don't have a "big picture view" that answers all the questions, so what the hell do you know? You are saying the world is static, reality is static.. really well there is no science to support that. You can say, but it works, the a bomb works so everything about science is true. Apples drop and keep dropping so we know that doing blood transfusions make operations safer. No sorry that is a leap. You know an apple fell, you don't know apples will keep falling. You hope apples keep falling. Science is not engineering, and there is no evidence reality is infinitely static on the contrary there continues to be changes to scientific laws, such as relativity,... well guess what science is probability and relativity isn't true of the modern model of quantum science. You have no clue you are just practicing another form of religion housed under a philosophy called science. There is no static reality... but it is static enough to look that way because your life is banal and methodic. Minds are not static, we have dreams and experiences that defy physics. It is guess work, bodies are different, it is not as simple as A=B, there is far more to human biology than thinking that A=B. The body is designed by God and so is optimized for the environment it is in. People die but no we shouldn't be violating peoples wishes. It is sad to think people could die because of bad parents choices but you know that happens.. people die from bad government decisions like Lake Megantic.. 40 people died because the government didn't protect people enough. People are dying overseas... people die. This life is about respect for people, not respect for bodies. There is nothing morally wrong for respecting someones choice for themself, and that choice resulting in their death. You can advise them, but you cannot morally force them to do things they do not wish to do in relation to themself. This has lawsuit written all over it. But they had no way of knowing it wasn't the right thing to do? Well they are never going to know, they are going to keep on guessing. I bet the doctor and judge didn't get 100% in their law school and medical school exams... I find it repulsive that people with sound moral choices for the well being of their child are rejected because they arn't based upon people's opinion of how the world works, which contradicts their own values. Medical science clearly isn't at a state of perfection and so should not be seen as an absolute basis for moral judgement. Edited July 13, 2013 by AlienB Quote
michael78888 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Posted July 19, 2013 Nice surprise about this shorter form. Can you tell us what it is you are talking/writing about?Has any info. about this shorter form been posted before (and i just missed it)? Michael Quote
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