cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Personally I see [Trudeau] in a debate with Harper and Mulcair just getting eaten alive. I can see that, but only because I don't think he's ready to be leader. Not because of some innate inability or for want of more experience, but because in his heart he's not ready. He doesn't want it right now because he's more concerned about being a father to his children at the moment. His time will come, but not until after 2020, imo. I think he'll be a great leader for the Liberals some day, if the party doesn't merge. I think Bob Rae might possibly be the best choice the Liberals have for leader. However, what's the story on Ralph Goodale or Irwin Cotler? Why don't those guys run for Liberal leadership? Also, do they not need to choose a francophone leader now, as their previous leader was not an anglophone? Or have they done away with that rule as well? Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 However, what's the story on Ralph Goodale or Irwin Cotler? Why don't those guys run for Liberal leadership? Also, do they not need to choose a francophone leader now, as their previous leader was not an anglophone? Or have they done away with that rule as well? Because they're both old and realize it's time for the next generation to finally take over. As well that was never an official rule. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 How many people did you think thought that Peggy Nash, Paul Dewar, Brian Topp and Martin Singh were strong names? But they were unknows. We know these guys. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 But they were unknows. We know these guys. What? Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 What? Brain Topp, Martin Singh no one knew those guys or ever seen them preform. All these Liberals you name I have seen them I know who they are. I don't know what they bring to the table. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Brain Topp, Martin Singh no one knew those guys or ever seen them preform. All these Liberals you name I have seen them I know who they are. I don't know what they bring to the table. None of them have made much of a name for themselves, though that's not necessarily a bad thing. I had never heard of Nathan Cullen and only knew Brian Topp from the Globe and Mail and they came second and third. I was actually surprised when I read David McGuinty's biography a while back because it turns out he has accomplished more in his life then just being the brother on Dalton McGuinty. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 None of them have made much of a name for themselves, though that's not necessarily a bad thing. I had never heard of Nathan Cullen and only knew Brian Topp from the Globe and Mail and they came second and third. I was actually surprised when I read David McGuinty's biography a while back because it turns out he has accomplished more in his life then just being the brother on Dalton McGuinty. Problem is the unknown with him. If Ontario is doing poorly next election who in that province is going to want to vote for the current federal government or the guy who has close ties to the current premier? If Ontario is doing well isn't it just stick with what you know with Harper? So it is lose lose with McGuinty. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) I saw Nathan Cullen on Power & Politics debating and I'm almost disappointed he didn't become NDP leader. Then I remember his batshit crazy platform. Edited June 9, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I saw Nathan Cullen on Power & Politics debating and I'm almost disappointed he didn't become NDP leader. Then I remember his batshit crazy platform. His ideas were something else. I think he thought he had to go that far to make himself stand out. Whoever was advising him went with the whole "Game changer" theory which is risky risky. Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 So you really think the current CPC has such current hard-line right-wing views as the former Alliance and Reform? Not when I see Senate Patronage. Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I agree with that, by leaving the Liberals in the lurch now he's thinking more of himself than the future of the party, not to mention breaking a promise. Bob Rae is pretty good in the House as a speaker and he is pretty smart. (well until he turns purple with apoplexy - ) Not sure about the age thing, he would only be 67 by 2015 right! Bob Rae only thinks of himself. A good Speaker can make an excellent Con man. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 It's good to see both our NDP and CPC supporters afraid of Rae and doing drive by's... IF he decides to run, and IF he wins a convention, he will shake things up. I believe the poster here who said they were going to work hard to make sure Rae isn't selected as leader is a card carrying Liberal activist. I don't know where you are from Shakeyhands... but this would be like the Conservatives selecting Grant Devine as Federal Leader. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 His ideas were something else. I think he thought he had to go that far to make himself stand out. Whoever was advising him went with the whole "Game changer" theory which is risky risky. It wasn't till the end that I started hearing him say that it would be up to the grassroots to decide whether they cooperate with other parties. While he supposedly wouldn't have been able to cooperate with other parties without the support of the grassroots, had he said from the beginning that he'd put forth a proposal to the members on cooperating with other parties he may have been able to win more support. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 It wasn't till the end that I started hearing him say that it would be up to the grassroots to decide whether they cooperate with other parties. While he supposedly wouldn't have been able to cooperate with other parties without the support of the grassroots, had he said from the beginning that he'd put forth a proposal to the members on cooperating with other parties he may have been able to win more support. Not from me. I have been to places in Quebec and nomination meetings where 3 voting members show up. If you think 4 Liberals couldn't show up buy membership cards and kill our whole Quebec wing you would be mistaken. He comes from a ridding where hundreds work hard and are card carrying members. He doesn't know what goes in some ridings where we have no members. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Is there a better candidate to show that the LPC today is not the LPC of Chretien/Martin than Bob Rae? I don't think there is. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Is there a better candidate to show that the LPC today is not the LPC of Chretien/Martin than Bob Rae? I don't think there is. But then you have Bob Rea leading your party. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Not from me. I have been to places in Quebec and nomination meetings where 3 voting members show up. If you think 4 Liberals couldn't show up buy membership cards and kill our whole Quebec wing you would be mistaken. He comes from a ridding where hundreds work hard and are card carrying members. He doesn't know what goes in some ridings where we have no members. No, what I'm saying is he said at the end it would be decided at a convention if they would move forward with cooperation. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Is there a better candidate to show that the LPC today is not the LPC of Chretien/Martin than Bob Rae? I don't think there is. I think basically anybody. Rae hasn't done anything as leader. Ted Hsu would be an interesting choice. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I think basically anybody. Rae hasn't done anything as leader. Ted Hsu would be an interesting choice. Now there is a name. That would be very interesting, he seems like he has a good head on his shoulders ran a great race in 2011. Why not? He is the antitheses of Harper. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 No, what I'm saying is he said at the end it would be decided at a convention if they would move forward with cooperation. Yah but that is true of everything the leaders put in their platform. All NDP members know that anything as controversial as that would have to be decided at convention. We aren't the Liberals you know our leaders are held in check by the memebrship. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Yah but that is true of everything the leaders put in their platform. All NDP members know that anything as controversial as that would have to be decided at convention. We aren't the Liberals you know our leaders are held in check by the memebrship. Do you really think all the new members knew that though? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 But then you have Bob Rea leading your party.He's a fighter. That much is certain. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Do you really think all the new members knew that though? Maybe not. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 Now there is a name. That would be very interesting, he seems like he has a good head on his shoulders ran a great race in 2011. Why not? He is the antitheses of Harper. I would be concerned for the NDP if Ted Hsu was the new Liberal leader. Moreso than Bob Rae. I'm nearly certainly Bob Rae would drive progressive to the NDP in droves. Quote
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