Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 It's not based on race. Last I checked the Canadian government, the only institution who's definition of 'native' is worth a damn, defines who and who is not a native based on decent. If you have a certain amount of 'special' native blood in your veins, you're a native. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 You say the treaties, between the now defunct British Crown and whatever 'native' group, are legally binding in one sentence, and negotiated in bad faith in the next. It's pretty clear you just want to cherry pick the details that support your narrow viewpoint. You need a history lesson. The Royal Proclamation 1763 is described by the Supreme Court of Canada as being the Magna Carta of Indian Rights. It is entrenced in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as supreme law today. The Canadian Crown inherited all of the deals made by the British Crown. This has already been settled by the Supreme Court. The government (who is NOT the Crown) refuses to comply with the law. Court case after court case forces them into compliance. However, the Supreme Court has said that negotiation is the only practical way of dealing with the thousands of claims and rights issues. Problem is the government tries to act like a bully and so FN usually end up in court costing us $10s of billions every year on land and rights issues that are making their way through the courts. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I have a proposal for the natives, quit yer complaining, grow a set and work for your money like the rest of us Canadians .. we hardly give a damn that you had this land 400 years a go Your opinion is irrelevant. The land belongs to them and so does their trust account. They are wealthy and will eventually get access to all that money and resources. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Last I checked the Canadian government, the only institution who's definition of 'native' is worth a damn, defines who and who is not a native based on decent. If you have a certain amount of 'special' native blood in your veins, you're a native. It's still not based on race. Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Your opinion is irrelevant. The land belongs to them and so does their trust account. They are wealthy and will eventually get access to all that money and resources. Here betting they never will get access to even a fraction of the money. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Your opinion is irrelevant. The land belongs to them and so does their trust account. They are wealthy and will eventually get access to all that money and resources. The land did belong to them 400 years a go The Algonquins are making a land claim that is 1/3 of Ontario and 2/3rds of Quebec no way in hell are they getting that Quote
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Your opinion is irrelevant. The land belongs to them and so does their trust account. They are wealthy and will eventually get access to all that money and resources. Unfortunately they won't because it's not there. Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Last I checked the Canadian government, the only institution who's definition of 'native' is worth a damn, defines who and who is not a native based on decent. If you have a certain amount of 'special' native blood in your veins, you're a native. The Supreme Court is in the process of changing that. Last year the government was order to change the definition of "Indian" so that it would not discriminate against the double mothers of aboriginal children. The SCoC has also ruled that non-status Indians and Metis are entitled to the same rights as status Indians....meaning that eventually there will 4 times the number of Aboriginal people all with the same rights.... Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Jerry J. Fortin Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Not that I doubt your sincerity, but does your idea of "settling it" include the full $2 trillion trust and the additional $75 trillion for the lands claim settlement of Ontario? Or how about the sharing of all the resources, including royalties and stakes in the companies? If you really believe those numbers you fit into the delusional category, just a step back from the cowards and fools that brought us to this point. Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 It's still not based on race. race noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The land did belong to them 400 years a go The Algonquins are making a land claim that is 1/3 of Ontario and 2/3rds of Quebec no way in hell are they getting that The point is that it has always been theirs. They're not "getting" anything. Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The land did belong to them 400 years a go The Algonquins are making a land claim that is 1/3 of Ontario and 2/3rds of Quebec no way in hell are they getting that Southern Ontario still belongs to Six Nations. It is protected by law and the government has no choice but to deal with it when it comes up in a land claim. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) The point is that it has always been theirs. They're not "getting" anything. It hasn't officially been their land for hundreds of years or they wouldn't be claiming it legally Edited December 13, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 Southern Ontario still belongs to Six Nations. It is protected by law and the government has no choice but to deal with it when it comes up in a land claim. or what? are they going to wage war against us? there's far more of us than there is of them Quote
Guest Manny Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The Supreme Court is in the process of changing that. Last year the government was order to change the definition of "Indian" so that it would not discriminate against the double mothers of aboriginal children. The SCoC has also ruled that non-status Indians and Metis are entitled to the same rights as status Indians....meaning that eventually there will 4 times the number of Aboriginal people all with the same rights.... That's the best solution. Eventually we will all be natives... Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 race noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity. Irrelevant. The treaties and the Royal Proclamation rights are based on nationality (not Canadian) and not race. FYI there are lots of Caucasian and people of colour who are Six Nation members whom have emigrated into the nation over the years of contact, as well as many who have become spouses who are granted status and are entered onto the Band rolls. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 or what? are they going to wage war against us? there's far more of us than there is of them The Six Nations vs Canada, the Six Minute War I can seen maybe a paragraph or two in Wikipedia about it. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 That's the best solution. Eventually we will all be natives... That could be a solution. We are after all, on their land. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The Six Nations vs Canada, the Six Minute War I can seen maybe a paragraph or two in Wikipedia about it. couldn't find it Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 That could be a solution. We are after all, on their land. I'm not on their land, they don't own this property Quote
Battletoads Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 couldn't find it The article doesn't exist, it's prophecy of what would happen should there ever be a violent dispute between Canada and these six native groups. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 race noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity. Inuit, Metis, Athapaskan, Slavey, Dogrib, Tutchone, Tlingit, Tsimshian, Haida, Salish, Kwakiutl, Nootka, Nisga'a, Senakw, Gitxsan, Blackfoot, Káínawa, Sarcee, Peigan, Cree, Chipewyan, Anishinaabe, Algonquin, Míkmaq, Iroquois, Huron, Beothuk, Maliseet, Innu, Abenaki and Mi'kmaq. Common descent and heredity, you say? Quote
olp1fan Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 The article doesn't exist, it's prophecy of what would happen should there ever be a violent dispute between Canada and these six native groups. It would end with them losing Quote
charter.rights Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 or what? are they going to wage war against us? there's far more of us than there is of them That has actually been a real concern over the past months as these kinds of inadequate funding come to light. The Nations Post did a column on our vulnerability since most of the countries transportation networks and infrastructure pass through reserves or First Nation territory and can't be defended. The Winnipeg Free Press also wrote a similar artical as well as Justice LeForme (head of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission) making statements about aboriginal revolution if issues are not settled. Finally, the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples PREDICTED native unrest and economic disruption if issues were not settled favourably. The writing is on the wall. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
cybercoma Posted December 13, 2011 Report Posted December 13, 2011 I'm not on their land, they don't own this property According to our Queen they do. Quote
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