$1.4b per year in Cdn. taxpayer subsidies to Alberta oil sands

fellowtraveller · December 1, 2011

Ontario is the home to 1/3 of immigrants every year.

and steadily shrinking. The GTA/Southern Ontario is looking increasingly crowded, expensive and workshy.

Do your homework and report back.

The entitlement to the wealth, energy, future? Born in the greatest Province ever created by God himself! Yes Canadians grovel, grovel you are unworthy of non-corruption. Dig! Dig! Faster! Faster! Get it before anyone realizes its gone. What the magority of Canadians want is a healthy future to evolve out of this black mess. Does Alberta have a plan after they've exported all their wealth, hat in hand back to Ottawa? You do realize it will end...you do right?

No need for you to grovel, just go to your provincial leaders and tell them plainly: Albertas oild and Alberta money is tainted, corrupt dirty and we refuse to take any more of it. Period.

Otherwise, STFU and enjoy the handout while recognizing how and where it ended up funding your life.

be real · December 1, 2011

Unfortunately for them, the Korean's and the Japanese and the Americans and the...well...everyone else builds them better and cheaper.

So they can't build 'em cheap because a guy that puts a screw in a seat makes $100 grand a year, and they can't make 'em good because they're built in Canada. Maybe they could build 'em and ship 'em to, I don't know, Kewbek? Or Russia?

What about taking all those laid-off auto workers and having them man the customer service phone centers for some big Pakistani or Indian corporations?

Your truck was/is built in Canada.

guyser · December 1, 2011

and steadily shrinking. The GTA/Southern Ontario is looking increasingly crowded, expensive and workshy.

Do your homework and report back.

Lordy, you really should have done the same instead of spouting ignorance around.

I will improve shwa's post for you......

Ontario is increasing in population daily.

Two yrs ago pop was 12.16. Currently sits at 13.2 (2010) 13.2 is bigger than 12.16. Ergo...no shrink.

Immigration, Ontario gets 42.1 of total immigrants to Canada .

No need for you to grovel, just go to your provincial leaders and tell them plainly: Albertas oild and Alberta money is tainted, corrupt dirty and we refuse to take any more of it. Period.

Otherwise, STFU and enjoy the handout while recognizing how and where it ended up funding your life.

And way back when Alberta was grovelling? Yea, we paid. Werent pricks about it either.

be real · December 1, 2011

and steadily shrinking. The GTA/Southern Ontario is looking increasingly crowded, expensive and workshy.

Do your homework and report back.

No need for you to grovel, just go to your provincial leaders and tell them plainly: Albertas oild and Alberta money is tainted, corrupt dirty and we refuse to take any more of it. Period.

Otherwise, STFU and enjoy the handout while recognizing how and where it ended up funding your life.

Angry man, what hand out? What is the cost of the Tar Sands to Canada. Not just the dollar barrel but what about the great waist of energy in it's production? I live in B.C. Our natural gas helps makes the tar sands function. Soon a pipeline will fill tankers to China exporting our vast energy reserves which used up our other energy reserves to make. Stop, think, don't swear, just breath and ponder how we can do this better. Good, now sit down with the rest of your Canadian family. All anyone on this is saying is we want to do it better, cleaner more efficiant and hopefully one day, not need it anymore. The handout by the way was provided by the Canadian taxpayers, years and years of subsidizing the tar sands, it's our energy and it will belong to China. No handout needed here broskie but the federal government should be investing this tax revenue into green energy and not on the tarsands. Profitable no need. Smart step into a future when oil will be gone and energy is power.

blueblood · December 1, 2011

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blueblood · December 1, 2011

Angry man, what hand out? What is the cost of the Tar Sands to Canada. Not just the dollar barrel but what about the great waist of energy in it's production? I live in B.C. Our natural gas helps makes the tar sands function. Soon a pipeline will fill tankers to China exporting our vast energy reserves which used up our other energy reserves to make. Stop, think, don't swear, just breath and ponder how we can do this better. Good, now sit down with the rest of your Canadian family. All anyone on this is saying is we want to do it better, cleaner more efficiant and hopefully one day, not need it anymore. The handout by the way was provided by the Canadian taxpayers, years and years of subsidizing the tar sands, it's our energy and it will belong to China. No handout needed here broskie but the federal government should be investing this tax revenue into green energy and not on the tarsands. Profitable no need. Smart step into a future when oil will be gone and energy is power.

What green energy, the kind that doesn't give a positive return on investment, the kind that doesn't come close to as efficient as hydrocarbon combustion? In case you haven't noticed natural gas is as cheap as borscht right now because of shale gas. We won't be needing solar and wind for quite some time. Let it die.

Not only that, the Chinese pay us an arm and a leg for said energy. We're not giving it away.

blueblood · December 1, 2011

Lordy, you really should have done the same instead of spouting ignorance around.

I will improve shwa's post for you......

Ontario is increasing in population daily.

Two yrs ago pop was 12.16. Currently sits at 13.2 (2010) 13.2 is bigger than 12.16. Ergo...no shrink.

Immigration, Ontario gets 42.1 of total immigrants to Canada .

And way back when Alberta was grovelling? Yea, we paid. Werent pricks about it either.

Ctv news

I think he means this.

Oh no you guys didn't say much, just made sure that we out west couldn't capitalize on our good fortune the same as you guys out there. How would Ontario liked a national manufacturing program?

Edited December 1, 2011 by blueblood

Shwa · December 1, 2011

I think he means this.

Oh no you guys didn't say much, just made sure that we out west couldn't capitalize on our good fortune the same as you guys out there. How would Ontario liked a national manufacturing program?

Boo hoo. Now get back to the range and fix us some of them steaks.

guyser · December 1, 2011

Ctv news

I think he means this.

Ok, fair enough ..........sort of.

Oh no you guys didn't say much, just made sure that we out west couldn't capitalize on our good fortune the same as you guys out there. How would Ontario liked a national manufacturing program?

Oh boy, not this again. Something from the 70's ?

blueblood · December 1, 2011

Ok, fair enough ..........sort of.

Oh boy, not this again. Something from the 70's ?

You said you guys weren't pricks about it...

blueblood · December 1, 2011

Boo hoo. Now get back to the range and fix us some of them steaks.

I'll get right on it when you get back to the factory and bolt us up some trucks... Oh wait... You can't anymore....

guyser · December 1, 2011

You said you guys weren't pricks about it...

And I stand behind it too!

It was Ottawa and Lougheed who signed it, not the Prov of Ont or Bill Davis. Keep the slagging against those who do so, I am not doing so.

blueblood · December 1, 2011

And I stand behind it too!

It was Ottawa and Lougheed who signed it, not the Prov of Ont or Bill Davis. Keep the slagging against those who do so, I am not doing so.

The problem is you guys elected Trudeau, who changed the game. I mean selling oil at below market value is not a good idea along with his ridiculous ideas with the oil sector. It would be as ridiculous as westerners getting cars at below market value from out east.

guyser · December 1, 2011

The problem is you guys elected Trudeau, who changed the game. I mean selling oil at below market value is not a good idea along with his ridiculous ideas with the oil sector. It would be as ridiculous as westerners getting cars at below market value from out east.

We all voted.

Analogy does not work, one is a commodity the other a fixed good.(not to mention irrelevant)

blueblood · December 1, 2011

We all voted.

Analogy does not work, one is a commodity the other a fixed good.(not to mention irrelevant)

Cars have a cost of production as does oil. Cars have an msrp determined by market forces like oil. What's wrong with sharing the discounts?

guyser · December 2, 2011

Cars have a cost of production as does oil. Cars have an msrp determined by market forces like oil. What's wrong with sharing the discounts?

BB , I honestly dont know what you are asking....or trying to say

fellowtraveller · December 2, 2011

Cars have a cost of production

Yep, and a really high cost in Canada.

The odds of Ontario retaining all its current auto manufacturing is really low.

Cheaper to build almost anywhere else, and who is going to buy them in tough times anyway?

Maybe McGuinty can sell some of those homegrown wind turbines to China.

blueblood · December 2, 2011

BB , I honestly dont know what you are asking....or trying to say

Defending analogy, Trudeau wanted cheap oil, why can't we have cheap cars?

be real · December 2, 2011

What green energy, the kind that doesn't give a positive return on investment, the kind that doesn't come close to as efficient as hydrocarbon combustion? In case you haven't noticed natural gas is as cheap as borscht right now because of shale gas. We won't be needing solar and wind for quite some time. Let it die.

Not only that, the Chinese pay us an arm and a leg for said energy. We're not giving it away.

? Are you drunk?

be real · December 2, 2011

What green energy, the kind that doesn't give a positive return on investment, the kind that doesn't come close to as efficient as hydrocarbon combustion? In case you haven't noticed natural gas is as cheap as borscht right now because of shale gas. We won't be needing solar and wind for quite some time. Let it die.

Not only that, the Chinese pay us an arm and a leg for said energy. We're not giving it away.

Gee I thought hydro electricty was profitable. Silly me. When we use natural gas to make oil we are really wasting energy. You only get one crack at it and it seems very wastful. This may be a difficult concept for you. Remove your head from your posterior please.

Shwa · December 2, 2011

I'll get right on it when you get back to the factory and bolt us up some trucks... Oh wait... You can't anymore....

But you can go get the beef, so why don't you. Make some money to earn your keep around here. For once.

Shwa · December 2, 2011

Yep, and a really high cost in Canada.

The odds of Ontario retaining all its current auto manufacturing is really low.

Cheaper to build almost anywhere else, and who is going to buy them in tough times anyway?

Maybe McGuinty can sell some of those homegrown wind turbines to China.

Auto manufacturing? LOFL! It isn't just autos, it is everything else too. A diversified economic portfolio if you will and it keeps people flocking here daily, to the land of opportunity. Now, on your way out to pump our oil, fetch us some steaks too.

blueblood · December 2, 2011

But you can go get the beef, so why don't you. Make some money to earn your keep around here. For once.

Already taken care of, somebody has to take care of the easterners, we know that they're having problems in the compete and production department.

blueblood · December 2, 2011

Auto manufacturing? LOFL! It isn't just autos, it is everything else too. A diversified economic portfolio if you will and it keeps people flocking here daily, to the land of opportunity. Now, on your way out to pump our oil, fetch us some steaks too.

What the opportunity for unemployment and living off the gov't? Like the ctv article says, Alberta is attracting the new immigrants, apparently they want to work.

Shwa · December 2, 2011

What the opportunity for unemployment and living off the gov't? Like the ctv article says, Alberta is attracting the new immigrants, apparently they want to work.

Whoopee! Alberta is attracting new immigrants! At half the rate of BC.

Big deal. A two trick pony province with as many people as Markham on a Sunday.

Good for you Alberta, we are all so proud. You attract new immigrants. More people to pump more our oil and tend to them thar cattle. Just how we like it.

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