jbg Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Apparently, arguments about Jihadi doctrine and leadership have a way of going very, very badly. See article, excerpts below: Dozens die in militant battle in NW Pakistan (link to article) By ISHTIAQ MAHSUD and ELENA BECATOROS, Associated Press Writers Ishtiaq Mahsud And Elena Becatoros, Associated Press Writers – 58 mins ago DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan – Fierce clashes between Taliban fighters and those loyal to a pro-government warlord killed at least 70 people Wednesday, intelligence officials said, a week after a CIA drone reportedly killed the top Taliban leader in Pakistan. The battles pitched Taliban militants against followers of tribal warlord Turkistan Bitani on the fringes of the South Waziristan border region, where U.S. and Pakistani officials believe Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud died in a missile strike on Aug. 5. ******************* Days after the missile strike, Interior Minister Rehman Malik claimed a Taliban meeting to choose Mehsud's successor degenerated into a gunbattle between the leading contenders — Waliur Rehman and Hakimullah Mehsud — and that one of the two was dead. Bitani made similar claims, saying there had been a gunfight at the meeting, known as a shura — although he had said both Rehman and Hakimullah Mehsud were dead. (snip) Edited August 13, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Muddy Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 These are the people that Jack Layton wants us to talk peace! How does that look Jack? The bottom line is who is in charge of the poppy trade and controlling the peasants and keeping them in the dark ages. Quote
jbg Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Posted August 13, 2009 These are the people that Jack Layton wants us to talk peace! How does that look Jack? The bottom line is who is in charge of the poppy trade and controlling the peasants and keeping them in the dark ages. Well, you have to negotiate. Even if it's with the selected goat for the orgy on a Saturday night. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
JB Globe Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 The thing about the Taliban & Al Qaeda is, that according to the traditional interpretation of the lesser Jihad, they're not Jihadis, because their basic operating practices violate the definition of Jihad. Add to that the fact that they're Takfiris - meaning they have no authority to delcare who is or isn't a Muslim, but do so anyway, and once that's done they feel they have the right to go ahead and slaughter civilians whom they claim are apostates because they don't practice their austere idea of what Islam is - this to is again against the most basic Islamic principles. Quote
jbg Posted August 14, 2009 Author Report Posted August 14, 2009 The thing about the Taliban & Al Qaeda is, that according to the traditional interpretation of the lesser Jihad, they're not Jihadis, because their basic operating practices violate the definition of Jihad.Add to that the fact that they're Takfiris - meaning they have no authority to delcare who is or isn't a Muslim, but do so anyway, and once that's done they feel they have the right to go ahead and slaughter civilians whom they claim are apostates because they don't practice their austere idea of what Islam is - this to is again against the most basic Islamic principles. JB Globe, I wish I could buy what you're saying but I cannot. There should be vocal, strident criticism by "true Muslims" of the bloody misconduct of the "Takfiris". The only trouble is that I believe many see the Takfiris as the conscience of the Muslim community. At least most Jews criticized the Jewish Defense League when it existed. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
JB Globe Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) JB Globe, I wish I could buy what you're saying but I cannot. There should be vocal, strident criticism by "true Muslims" of the bloody misconduct of the "Takfiris". There have been many fatwas issued against Al Qaeda and the Taliban over the years, these go virtually unreported in Western Media. The most prominent condemnation occurred at a large summit convened by Saudi King Abdullah in 2005, he invited over 200 of the most influencial scholars from over 50 countries to debate issues and come to a consensus. One of them being that allegations of Takfir are forbidden between Muslims, meaning Bin Laden's entire philosphy that he's practicing "true" Islam and everyone else is faking it, is blasphemous. He's already been labelled a heretic by clerics in Indonesia, Pakistan and Saudi, it's just this happens to be the biggest condemnation he's received so far. Re: http://www.ammanmessage.com/ Edited August 14, 2009 by JB Globe Quote
monkeyman Posted August 14, 2009 Report Posted August 14, 2009 Of course don't forget, All Muslims are bad people! Quote
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