Paying Prisoners To Get Clean Of Bad Substances.

[Oleg Bach]

The idea of providing finacial incentives to drug addicted and alcholic prisoners is a very good idea...but I don't think it was well thought out...There must be special programs in place within their treatment...For instance - Prisoners must understand that those on the outside who are "friends" or "family" - where drug taking is unbridled - must know - that relationships based on booze and dope are not sybiotic - they are destructively parasitic. It must be explained that those in their outside life style ARE NOT THEIR FRIENDS...Take away the dope and the booze and the "friend' is gone.

Also it must be explained to them that their problem for the most part came from poverty and seeking quick culture and fun the easy way - through the high and euphoria that comes from substances but is fleeting...

The solid point here would be to encourage the prisoners to stock pile money - so they can leave the prison with at least a nest egg of about 10 thousand dollars - and re-locate - hide! From their former environ - To release a prisoner broke and without proper instruction leads to failure - or to release them with money and send them back to the same trashy environ just leads to failure also..

Money is very important..it can ensure privacy so they can focus and plan...those that say "freedom should be enough of an incentive" are wrong - what freedom is their in poverty and to be re-submerged in a decayed and base culture -----? You have to lift the prisoner up and EXPLAIN to them how things work - you need highly communiative and intelligent counsil for these people - not your run of the mill social worker - who has proven that social workers are useless. You need to allow them to be who they really are --- most are intelligent and are NOT the bottom of the barrel...I say give them substantial cash - but also give them HARD AND TRUE INSTRUCTION.....GIVE THEM FREEDOM THOUGH KNOWLEDGE.

[Oleg Bach]

Really thought there would be more interest in this subject. Evidently you really do not want success for the down trodden. Nor do you want correction for offenders - who would you have to persecute to elevate yourself if it was not for this capitive group spawned by poverty because of your greed and arrogance.

[Oleg Bach]

Bump this up to the top ---- if you are going to have programs they should not be put in place to serve a bureacracy that consists of twits who just graduated out of community college..they must be well thought our programs that work - bribing is a good thing.. money makes the world go round - stop being so cheap.

[Hydraboss]

Prisoners should be paying for their accomodation and meals, not the other way around.

[Oleg Bach]

Prisoners should be paying for their accomodation and meals, not the other way around.

There fathers and mothers all worked their asses off building up wealth in the nation - the children and grand children that fell through the cracks deserve a break - I see it all the time - with the homeless - the crack addicts the prostitutes the welfare cases - all are decended from those that poured the foundations for the bank towers - the decendants of loyal hard working slaves deserve better - and to abandon them is ungrateful to their forebarers.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

There fathers and mothers all worked their asses off building up wealth in the nation - the children and grand children that fell through the cracks deserve a break - I see it all the time - with the homeless - the crack addicts the prostitutes the welfare cases - all are decended from those that poured the foundations for the bank towers - the decendants of loyal hard working slaves deserve better - and to abandon them is ungrateful to their forebarers.

Their parents did the work, this is how they repay and respect those efforts. You would have the citizens of this nation replace their parents and put the icing on the cake of the nanny state?

[Oleg Bach]

Their parents did the work, this is how they repay and respect those efforts. You would have the citizens of this nation replace their parents and put the icing on the cake of the nanny state?

It's not that - poverty and crime go hand in hand - If you are going to re-habilitate those that have never been abilitated to begin with - You must understand that you can not release a drug addicted or alcholic prisoner into society BROKE...what do you expect them to do? They will fall back in with the same losers and continue on as per usual - point being - educate them about why they are imprisoned and who their friends are - that they have no friends and they must set out on their own alone...once that concept is instilled - they might have a chance - but without being able to choose where they live they will return to the wrong neighbourhood - to the projects - to welfare - and crime...it's not a case of nanny state - nanny state has a habit of catch and release and catch again - I say break the cycle and defy the nanny state.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

It's not that - poverty and crime go hand in hand - If you are going to re-habilitate those that have never been abilitated to begin with - You must understand that you can not release a drug addicted or alcholic prisoner into society BROKE...what do you expect them to do? They will fall back in with the same losers and continue on as per usual - point being - educate them about why they are imprisoned and who their friends are - that they have no friends and they must set out on their own alone...once that concept is instilled - they might have a chance - but without being able to choose where they live they will return to the wrong neighbourhood - to the projects - to welfare - and crime...it's not a case of nanny state - nanny state has a habit of catch and release and catch again - I say break the cycle and defy the nanny state.

Sometimes crimes are just crimes. Crimes related to money don't always happen because poor people want to be rich, sometimes the rich folks are just greedy. I am not a firm believer in rehabilitation, the penal system was designed and is supposed to incarcerate convicted felons as punishment. The entire concept of "corrections" is a misnomer in my view.

[Oleg Bach]

Sometimes crimes are just crimes. Crimes related to money don't always happen because poor people want to be rich, sometimes the rich folks are just greedy. I am not a firm believer in rehabilitation, the penal system was designed and is supposed to incarcerate convicted felons as punishment. The entire concept of "corrections" is a misnomer in my view.

Old school correction consisted of - say an early Austrialian penal system - You broke the man's spirit and will - Or it consisted of being terrified of your father.... Who might strike you if you wavered outside of the parameters of the system - not because he wanted you to do what was right - but because he was a coward and sucked up to the sytem and sacraficed his son to that system...real correction does not exist - You can not reform or heal a beaten dog or horse - It's damaged...and useless - This all stems back to fatherhood. To fathers who felt so powerless in the work force - so oppressed that the only place they felt they had authority was in the home - hence the abuse of a son --and in turn that son equated respect to fear...and punishment to abuse that was not corrective - just confusing---THEN time passed and fathers became absent - because we have a system that discourages poor families from being families - NOW- that son is even worse off -- now the nanny state is his father - and the nanny seeks as much power as possible..further damaging the goods.

[Bonam]

The solid point here would be to encourage the prisoners to stock pile money - so they can leave the prison with at least a nest egg of about 10 thousand dollars - and re-locate - hide! From their former environ

Anyone, anyone, that had the capacity to think and plan in this manner would not be poor nor a prisoner to begin with.

[Oleg Bach]

Anyone, anyone, that had the capacity to think and plan in this manner would not be poor nor a prisoner to begin with.

You are not imprisoned nor am I - because we are intelligent and understand cause and effect - and the stressful adulteration of human environs - no matter how poor I got - I made sure that my young family was safe - always managed torent an old estate - or property in a gated rural neighbour hood on a lake - once my wife said - we can live here ---it's cheap - I looked around and saw social -spiritual and material decay - I turned an walked away - no way in hell was I going to live in hell - rich or poor...so off we went to rent some acreage...I always lived like a rich man with no money...because - I see the big picture - can this skill be taught? - maybe.