How much does child care cost you?

bjre · February 25, 2009

Well, this is certainly thread drift, but I think the CBC poll is closed by now anyway...
Bjre, I think you misinterpreted the article you cited here. Not to dismiss the gravity of having 90 children die, but they weren't all in CAS care. They were known to CAS, which means they either were in foster care, were with thier own families but had an open file, or had their file closed in the past year. Of the deaths,

It sounds like at least 22 of the deaths were unpreventable, which makes sense. Lots of chronically ill children become wards of CAS. The rest deserve some answers, and it is good to see articles like this calling attention to it.

But I disagree with your position that CAS is the problem. For CAS to be involved, there has to be some problems in the family in the first place. Children don't get taken away unless there is a very good reason to do so.

CAS is definitely a pest on these cases.

With CAS involved, parents can no longer be able to teach their kids,

The phrase "spare the rod and spoil the child" is from the Bible:

The following quotations come from the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible:

bullet Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

bullet Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

bullet Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

bullet Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

bullet Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

bullet Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

An additional verse from the New Testament is occasionally cited as justification for physical punishment of children:

bullet Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

I am not trying to challenge the law, however, punishment is necessary for raising children, just like encouragement. With CAS involved, if parents did anything the children don't like, the parents will face trouble, in this case the parents has no human rights at all. What can they do is only let it be. So it is not surprised that some of kids die after CAS involved. In much more cases, kids no long need learn any more, that is the reason that the percentage of CAS in care kids who can graduate from high school is much lower than lots of 3rd world countries.

I think the law about kids are based on opinion, opinion are based on media interests, and media are controlled by powerful people. It is better legislation based on ironic scientific methods like statistics.

I think it is better that law changes to disable CAS, and let police do if necessary.

The reason the salary of cops has nothing to do with the number of the kids take into "care".

"It sounds like at least 22 of the deaths were unpreventable"

If it IS unpreventable, why CAS still need to involve to spend tax and make children lost their parents? The answer is, they want ONLY money, one kid $87 a day, they don't care of children.

Melanie_ · February 26, 2009

Don't bother quoting the bible. It is an ancient, outdated book of nonsense. I won't take anything from the bible as a serious argument, particularly when it advocates child abuse. Physical punishment is not necessary for raising children. Physical punishment doesn't teach a child anything about appropriate behaviour; instead it teaches them to fear people who are bigger and stronger than them.

As for the unpreventable deaths... many of these children are in care because their medical needs are so far beyond the capacity of their families to deal with. Although more and more children with special needs are staying with their families, it is still perfectly acceptable in our society to put them in a home and have the state care for them. These unpreventable deaths are more than likely the deaths of children whose parents have given them up to the system (I am speculating here, but I've spent many years working with children in various capacities, so I have some anecdotal knowledge of how this works).

M.Dancer · February 27, 2009

13:24

committed to memory, committed to my children

Muddy · February 27, 2009

My son who works for me and is a third year apprentice, just had a child three moths ago,( the little guy is as good looking as Gramps). I asked if his wife is going back to work. He answered thus. Dad ,I am one of those rare individuals who liked the way he was raised. I always had Mom around before and after school and I shared a room with my older brother. Thanks for loving us enough and going without the big cars and houses.