ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 IS what I said false? Yes, because Jews use a number of sources. They do not stick simply to the Torah. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 Yes, because Jews use a number of sources. They do not stick simply to the Torah. Very good, I never said they didn't. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Very good, I never said they didn't. You most certainly implied it. I doubt very much you know very much about Judaism. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Did you happen to notice that the Wiki articles on the history of Christianity and Catholicism leap from the time of the Apostles right to the 4th Century when Constantine makes it the official religion of the Empire? The reason is that the period of time that Christianity was forming and the period it went underground during the persecutions is almost a void, with no clear facts and contradictory claims of church leaders in various parts of the Empire. There seems to be evidence of an attempt to establish orthodox doctrines and collections of scriptures, since during the 1st and 2nd Centuries, every church had different collections of scrolls that they were calling scripture. It Started with Marcion, who was later branded a heretic - who produced the first collection that was being called the Bible. What you don't find is evidence for the doctrine of Apostolic Succession or making the Church of Rome pre-eminent. The establishing of a Catholic Church have more to do with Emperor Constantine's desire to try to keep his empire united, and since the traditional Roman gods were losing favour to Isis, Mithraism and other new religions, Christianity was his default choice, likely for nothing more than secular reasons that it was practiced throughout the Empire and was popular among the underclasses who he was trying to get back on good terms with. What can you expect? Hundreds of texts were discarded and only what you see in the new Testament was kept. This was done to make a state religion. What it sought to accomplish, and in my opinion it did, was to deify Christ. Its whole focus was that Jesus was in fact God manifesting himself in human form. Look at the Holy Trinity concept to understand this. There are fragments of some of these discarded texts still in existence and they are know as the Gnostic Gospels. Some of these have been authenticated to mere decades after Christs death and are supposedly attributed to the apostles, or at least some of them. Mary has a gospel according to the Gnostics. Quote
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Very good, I never said they didn't. You said they live their lives by the first five books of the bible that is just not true. Quote
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 What can you expect? Hundreds of texts were discarded and only what you see in the new Testament was kept. This was done to make a state religion. What it sought to accomplish, and in my opinion it did, was to deify Christ. Its whole focus was that Jesus was in fact God manifesting himself in human form. Look at the Holy Trinity concept to understand this.There are fragments of some of these discarded texts still in existence and they are know as the Gnostic Gospels. Some of these have been authenticated to mere decades after Christs death and are supposedly attributed to the apostles, or at least some of them. Mary has a gospel according to the Gnostics. And some of them like Gospel of Thomas say the an organized church and religion is what Jesus taught against. Quote
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 There are fragments of some of these discarded texts still in existence and they are know as the Gnostic Gospels. Some of these have been authenticated to mere decades after Christs death and are supposedly attributed to the apostles, or at least some of them. Mary has a gospel according to the Gnostics. There isn't a gospel, Gnostic or otherwise, that has been demonstrated to be written by any of the Apostles. The only writings that can be positively attributed to any Biblical figure are *some* of St. Paul's letters. Besides, I doubt very many modern Christians of any bent would be all that thrilled by some of the Gnostic Christian writings. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 You said they live their lives by the first five books of the bible that is just not true. Those are the Laws of Moses. They speak to how a Jew is to live and worship but I'm sure you'll disagree with me on that one too. No matter what I say everyone will take the opposite stance, lol. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Those are the Laws of Moses. They speak to how a Jew is to live and worship but I'm sure you'll disagree with me on that one too. No matter what I say everyone will take the opposite stance, lol. Yes they are in the Whole Tanhak but they are interpreted in the Talmud so the laws are found int he Talmud not the Torah. You know nothing about the Jewish religion so just stop talking now it is a very complex thing. You stick to trying to learn Roman Catholic religion first then once you stop making mistakes of how your own religion interprets the texts you can move on. Quote
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Yes they are in the Whole Tanhak but they are interpreted in the Talmud so the laws are found int he Talmud not the Torah. You know nothing about the Jewish religion so just stop talking now it is a very complex thing. You stick to trying to learn Roman Catholic religion first then once you stop making mistakes of how your own religion interprets the texts you can move on. Aw hell, not even the Catholics stick strictly to the Bible. The writings of the Church Fathers and later theologians and philosophers heavily influence Catholic dogma and theology. In fact, it's long been the chief criticism among the more anti-Catholic Protestant Churches that the Church uses extra-Biblical sources, Quote
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 Aw hell, not even the Catholics stick strictly to the Bible. The writings of the Church Fathers and later theologians and philosophers heavily influence Catholic dogma and theology. In fact, it's long been the chief criticism among the more anti-Catholic Protestant Churches that the Church uses extra-Biblical sources, Agreed. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 Aw hell, not even the Catholics stick strictly to the Bible. The writings of the Church Fathers and later theologians and philosophers heavily influence Catholic dogma and theology. In fact, it's long been the chief criticism among the more anti-Catholic Protestant Churches that the Church uses extra-Biblical sources, A bunch of Godless Atheists trying to explain my faith to me. Priceless. What's next boy's? Brain surgery? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) A bunch of Godless Atheists trying to explain my faith to me. Priceless. What's next boy's? Brain surgery? Some of us Godless Atheists have made it our business to learn about religion. Instead of attacking the messenger, why don't you actually try to learn something. Tell me, do you know who said this? Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,... and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn. Edited January 4, 2009 by ToadBrother Quote
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 A bunch of Godless Atheists trying to explain my faith to me. Priceless. What's next boy's? Brain surgery? At least we understand it. You have no clue what your Religion teachers you have been correct on Catholic teachings many times. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 At least we understand it. You have no clue what your Religion teachers you have been correct on Catholic teachings many times. [sarcasm]What was I thinking the RCC teaches us that abortion is a great social tool ad part of the Canadian fabric as is homosexuality equally supported by the RCC[/sarcasm] Sorry I ever doubted you. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 [sarcasm]What was I thinking the RCC teaches us that abortion is a great social tool ad part of the Canadian fabric as is homosexuality equally supported by the RCC[/sarcasm]Sorry I ever doubted you. IS that a direct quote? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) IS that a direct quote? You're saying that I don't know my faith so am I wrong on the RCC stance on abortion and homosexuality too? I guess [sarcasm] is way over your wittle head eh snookums? You need your blanky and baba now? Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 You're saying that I don't know my faith so am I wrong on the RCC stance on abortion and homosexuality too?I guess [sarcasm] is way over your wittle head eh snookums? You need your blanky and baba now? Nope I am saying I have been Catholic for longer then yourself and understand their teachers, even if I think them to be wrong. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 Nope I am saying I have been Catholic for longer then yourself and understand their teachers, even if I think them to be wrong. I see so am I wrong on the Churches stance on abortion or homosexuality? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 I see so am I wrong on the Churches stance on abortion or homosexuality? You were wrong on the Churches stance on abortion do I have to go back to when i had to explain it too you? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 You were wrong on the Churches stance on abortion do I have to go back to when i had to explain it too you? The RCC is against all and any abortion. Have I got it wrong? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 The RCC is against all and any abortion. Have I got it wrong? You did when you claimed it was for abortion in the cases of rape and incest. Remember I have to explain that to you becuase I am a Catholic and listened in Church. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) The RCC is against all and any abortion. Plain and simple. You cannot even admit when I'm right...lol. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Posted January 4, 2009 The RCC is against all and any abortion. Is this statement correct? Honestly you are going to make me go through the forum and find where you claimed otherwise? I will do it? Just admit you are wrong and don't know what the Church teaches. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Honestly you are going to make me go through the forum and find where you claimed otherwise? I will do it? Just admit you are wrong and don't know what the Church teaches. I already told you I made a mistake on that before, so what? I didn't realize you were perfect punked and never make mistakes do you? I've moved on from it you obviously can't cause it's the only thing you have on me. The only mistake I've made. Cling to it like a life raft. I've corrected myself. Unlike you I can admit when I'm wrong. You cannot admit it hen someone else is right. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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