THE BLOCK DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION

[cybercoma]

The rights are the obvious argument to the nonsense that is posed by this thread. Furthermore, it is completely undemocratic to deny a particular party from taking part on the federal level simply because you don't like what they stand for. This is a democracy and that the Bloc has 49 seats in the house serves to show how dramatically different linguistically, culturally and politically Quebec is from the rest of Canada. To deny the Bloc a place in Parliament is to deny an entire segment of the Canadian population to be represented by a party that is the political embodiment of their identity. That the party is regional in nature is inconsequential. It is the very essence of democracy that regional differences come together through politics and diplomacy in order to work out a solution to the needs and wants of each. You would not deny the Conservative Party a seat at the table, yet they are largely a regional western party. Our democracy depends on our differences being represented by political parties who then try to work out what's best for the nation as a whole. Truly, our very freedom depends on the Bloc Quebecois having a place in the house. Denying a segment of Canadian society their voice in Parliament is shameful.

[Peter F]

My point in the geogrphical factor was - If Quebec was situated where Newfoundland was - it would be easier to get rid of pesky buggers - It's easier and more survivable to cut off a toe then remove part of the liver if you know what I mean ------------- The other thing that would work is simply kick them out of the family - but make sure that we run a transportational corridor along the Saint Lawrence - that will ensure a connection and a path of blood flow to the eastern provinces...it's just to bad that the lion has a thorne in his side rather than the foot - You can live without a toe. What other nation has a damned other nation stuck in its guts? NONE -

If If If If wishes were horses beggars would something-something...

the strife began right after the Plains of Abraham - Britain should have not made any concessions...they would all be assimulate by now

The strife existed long before the Plains of Abraham - thus the Plains of Abraham. Britain should not have made any concessions to the American Rebels either - but they did, and for very good reasons too. Same with Quebec. Without those concessions present-day Canada that you find worthy enough to issue lamentations for, would not exist.

- The rest of Canada is force to assimulate though multi-culturalism - but Quebec is not....what makes the French more worth perserving than an immigrant from Pakistan?

or for that matter, English?

[Oleg Bach]

If If If If wishes were horses beggars would something-something...

The strife existed long before the Plains of Abraham - thus the Plains of Abraham. Britain should not have made any concessions to the American Rebels either - but they did, and for very good reasons too. Same with Quebec. Without those concessions present-day Canada that you find worthy enough to issue lamentations for, would not exist.

or for that matter, English?

If we began as English - and the original family is British - and we are part of the common wealth - then English is worth preserving...It's as if we are a family in this Nation and our father and mother are British...do we give in to those who want to displace and over throw the parents? No--- we do not - who is ever first in line has priority and the French and British were here first - other arrivals have to wait their turn...in some cultures - there is no such thing as waiting in line - the swarm and push their way forward - our tradtion is one of law and order. Those that wish to leave the Canadian family or those that are not offically part of the family have no right to force their will on the rest of us - If the Block is not the family - then it has no right to interfere in family matters of national interest.

[cybercoma]

If we began as English - and the original family is British - and we are part of the common wealth - then English is worth preserving...It's as if we are a family in this Nation and our father and mother are British...do we give in to those who want to displace and over throw the parents? No--- we do not - who is ever first in line has priority and the French and British were here first - other arrivals have to wait their turn...in some cultures - there is no such thing as waiting in line - the swarm and push their way forward - our tradtion is one of law and order. Those that wish to leave the Canadian family or those that are not offically part of the family have no right to force their will on the rest of us - If the Block is not the family - then it has no right to interfere in family matters of national interest.

Does the family of Canada not recognize that there were two distinct nations that founded the present day institutions of Canada? Shamefully, we do not recognize the First Nations in any of this. You suggest assimilation for one half of the two founding nations, but what makes you think that would have been so easy? Had Quebec not been pandered to, we could have had an issue where they banded with the US and fought against the loyalists. Do you know nothing of the riots or the annexation manifesto? That Canada holds together today as a society with two distinct cultures and institutions is a testament to the foresight Britain had. The Bloc Quebecois has every right to take part in federal parliament as they represent the interests of the CANADIANS--whose ancestors founded this country--that elected them.

[Oleg Bach]

Does the family of Canada not recognize that there were two distinct nations that founded the present day institutions of Canada? Shamefully, we do not recognize the First Nations in any of this. You suggest assimilation for one half of the two founding nations, but what makes you think that would have been so easy? Had Quebec not been pandered to, we could have had an issue where they banded with the US and fought against the loyalists. Do you know nothing of the riots or the annexation manifesto? That Canada holds together today as a society with two distinct cultures and institutions is a testament to the foresight Britain had. The Bloc Quebecois has every right to take part in federal parliament as they represent the interests of the CANADIANS--whose ancestors founded this country--that elected them.

I understand that fine and good agreements were made in the very early stages where Britain in good faith allowed the French eternal concessions....It was the French Revolution that destroyed monarchal loyalty in Quebec - we still have a Queen of sorts the French do not..having said that..The core of Canada is still based on the monarchy. Which is fine and contributes to some sort of order. First Nations are simply prisoners of a very old war and they have not taken well to our way of social control...It's out of old fashioned Christian guilt that we deal with them in a most illogical and emotional way - mostly because our white hold them in contempt and believe them to be sub-human - the arrogance within this white supremacey is unwarranted - the natives are more evolved as a culture than we are - they are more civlizied and honest.

It is not that the Block should have their political rights removed - It is a matter of law. Most members of the Block other than leadership do not think for themselves..Much like Muslims stirred up and controled through hateful emotions...the base of the Block are dupes. The Block does not have Canadian elections as we know them - they have private elections much like a street gang...sorry - they are either in or they are out! Canadian turf must be protected and security, plus stablity must be ensured. The Block is a gang within a cultural gang - all I expect is that they band together and unify Quebec - Then with that unification we may be able to deal with them justly. Problem being is not that the Block are serperatist from Canada - but that they are seperatists from their bulk of their French CANADIAN brothers.....Quebec must unite - and it is doubtful that a fully united Quebec would leave the federation - It would not be in their best interests and they know it. The Block leadership are at this crucial point in Canadian history - common trouble makers...we have enough trouble ecomomically that we do not need a second trouble.

[cybercoma]

A federal party does not need to run a candidate in every riding. If that were the case, the Liberals and the Green Party would have both been disqualified from the last election, since the leaders didn't run candidates in the opposing party's riding.

[Oleg Bach]

A federal party does not need to run a candidate in every riding. If that were the case, the Liberals and the Green Party would have both been disqualified from the last election, since the leaders didn't run candidates in the opposing party's riding.

Fine and dandy - my whole point was to insult the Block and shame them. They remind me of a nephew that you gave a ton of money too and now that kid wants a cut of the family budget and a say in the family finance. Harper was right - You have to earn Power - and respect is the transphere of power - the Block has programmed it's membership to be disrespectful to the rest of Canada - why would a person take part in the act of mutual co-operation or in a contract that is one sided - If the Block respects Canada then Canada will empower the Block with respect sent...The social contract has to run both ways - If it does not then it is not a contract - we at present have not signed a mutually benefical contract with the Block - they want to take from the common political purse but do not want to give....Canada is not some host to what wants to become an uncontrolable parasite.

[cybercoma]

Since your entire point is to just be insulting, I don't know why I continue to reply to you, but something needs to be made clear.

Every political party in Canada does what it can to improve Canada according to their vision. Every party seeks money and influence in matters that will change things the way they see fit. However, in order to make changes, a majority of MPs have to agree with them. The Bloc Quebecois can never have a majority of seats in the House. Anything that they wish to have must be approved by members of other parties that have different interests from the Bloc Quebecois. That they have chosen to take part in the political process, which necessarily puts them in a position of having to make concessions to get what they want, shows that they are willing to work with the rest of Canada. There is always the option of going back to the FLQ way of doing things, but I don't think anyone in Canada or Quebec wants that.

[Peter F]

If we began as English - and the original family is British - and we are part of the common wealth - then English is worth preserving...It's as if we are a family in this Nation and our father and mother are British...do we give in to those who want to displace and over throw the parents? No--- we do not - who is ever first in line has priority and the French and British were here first - other arrivals have to wait their turn...in some cultures - there is no such thing as waiting in line - the swarm and push their way forward - our tradtion is one of law and order. Those that wish to leave the Canadian family or those that are not offically part of the family have no right to force their will on the rest of us - If the Block is not the family - then it has no right to interfere in family matters of national interest.

and there's the goon, Oleg. We did not begin as English and our original family was not 'British'. It was also French.

The mother of my children is Quebecois to her very soul. She sat on our couch, in rural Ontario, during the last referendum with tears of heartbreak flowing down her cheeks. She is that way, and has raised her children to be, the direct result of 12 September 1759.

Here's the goon, Oleg: She is only one, just one, of millions. Millions

Get it into your skull - they were'nt going anywhere on the 13th September 1759, nor at anytime since. Nor today, or tomorrow either, no matter how much you build up your fantasy of Canada being an English country. It isn't and never has been.