Quebec - Shall we kick them out?

[cybercoma]

These are wise words, cybercoma.

I don't think the provincial governments require "greater autonomy"; they just require respect of their autonomy.

Pierre Trudeau used to ask: "But who will speak for Canada?" The question was meaningful largely in Ontario and its answer need not pass by a centralized federal bureaucracy.

Canada, the country, is something much greater than the federal government in Ottawa.

Thank you.

And respect for the autonomy of the provinces is a much better way of saying what I mean. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I like to view Canada like a quilt. Every province a completely independent patch; however, combined they create a beautiful tapestry we can call our own.

[Smallc]

Thank you.

And respect for the autonomy of the provinces is a much better way of saying what I mean. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I like to view Canada like a quilt. Every province a completely independent patch; however, combined they create a beautiful tapestry we can call our own.

Very nicely put...and I would say that because of the freedoms we enjoy, the Bloc has just as much right to be in the election as any other party.

[whowhere]

If you wanted to kick out Quebec, just take away all the money & handouts the fed gov't gives them and they would almost certainly vote to separate.

I dearly want Quebec to stay, but I'm tired of the gov't giving all of this money to Quebec to appease them and prevent them from separating. They should want to stay because they are a wonderful part of this great country, not because they are being bought.

People voting for a party like the Bloc because they represent what is best for themselves, not what is best for the country, is simply wrong. JFK of course said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". So what the hell is this?

Are you for real buddy? Have you ever heard of the fiscal Imbalance? That is where you send more tax dollars to the Federal Government than the province gets back! Quebec like Ontario sends more tax money (GST, Income taxes, Gas Taxes, etc, etc). If Quebec gets money back from the Feds it's only getting its own money back. Ontario sends 22 Billion more than it receives back from the the Federal Government.

Some economists were floating the idea that each province should keeps its own GST collected and reinvested in that province. I think that's a grand idea. Quebec's population is about 8 million. Not as much as Ontario 12 million but that would be alot of GST to be alot of GST to be reinvested back into the provinces. Of course the jerkoff welfare provinces would gripe about that.

[whowhere]

The Bloc is the elephant in the room that none of the other parties want to address. If they were serious about fractured parliaments, and voting splits, electoral reform, and all the rest, they'd insist on Elections Canada reforms first.

There should be regulations in place that force parties running in a federal elections to actually be federal parties.

OK Comrad, may I suggest you relocate to Cuba or China. Democracies elect people not parties. If someone happens to be apart of a party, bonus for that party.

[whowhere]

I have better ideaaa force the BQ to run a federal party campaign and they must run candidates nationwide or they lose party status, all votes for the BQ are made NULL nd Void then the 2nd place prty cndidte is mde the winner.

You do not see any other province running a single province party like Quebec does.

It is just BS Canada has put up with it so long.

I agree its time the The Bloc move to represent all of Canada The original Canada was Quebec (most of Quebec), Labrador, and Ontario. You are absolutely right, the Bloc should expand to represent all of the Original Canada.

By expanding into Ontario and Labrador the Bloc would certainly be on the road to Forming the governing party. So go ahead push your ignorant dumbass ideas.

Yes it is BS occupied Canada (Quebec) should hear dumbass monkeys talk about shit they know nothing about.

[nothinarian]

I have a different view of Quebec, I think they have done an oustanding job as a province and are a role model for all other provinces.

They recognized early that voting Liberal or Tory was not going to bring maximum gravy to the province, so the Bloc was invented to focus the efforts of their MPs on a very important job: getting the very most out of Confederation possible. The threat of separation has been a great lever for opening the enormous wallet in Ottawa. Very pragmatic approach, and so far so good for them.

Surely we can agree that they have done well with no real investment?

Thats like saying that every province should have a federal wing committed to the provincial goals of being a nation within a nation and maybe each municipality should be a nation within a nation within a nation , and each ward within each municipality.....

A commitment to the whole is much more important than being a separate and distinct entity... if we can't agree on that one major point them every man/woman is an island unto himself/herself and we move into anarchy or

"A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."

Anarchy anybody ?

[Smallc]

Are you for real buddy?

Are you for real, Quebec is a have not province. As far as I'm aware, that means they get MORE back from Ottawa than they send.

[marksman]

Something's seriously wrong but it's not with our country

Is it time we showed Quebec the door?

No

- Harper would have had a serious majority in the absence of Quebec.

So what? Dion would've got a serious majority in the absence of all the ridings that didn't vote for the liberals. Same with Layton. Sorry but Canada isn't defined by a single party leader. Wanting to kick someone out of the country because they didn't vote the way you liked is sad.

- Dion's "Green Shift" pitch was essentially a cash grab from Alberta and a re-transfer to quebec (and Ontario)

So you want to kick out ON too? The accusations of cash grabs were exagerrations during the election there's certainly no reason to kick a province out of the country based on a policy that'll never be implemented.

- Early in his political career, Harper received serious criticism for his poor french skills, and even for his attempts to "learn more french" by attending classes in Quebec, while Dion fumbles through the English language (yes, that OTHER official language) during a very public TV interview and the Liberals accuse anyone who criticizes of "personal, viscious, insensitive racist attacks". Double standard.

Is your problem with Quebec or the Liberal party? When Harper was criticized people in his party defended him. The same people were attacking Dion. Double standard. Welcome to politics. If you don't like it then either demand change from all of the parties or get a thicker skin. This has nothing to do with Quebec.

- Constant lecturing by Quebecois media pundits (did you watch the CBC last night) reminding us that "obviously Stephen Harper hasn't realized the "importance" of Quebec in Canadian politics" (holy shit could you be any more condescending, arrogant and elitist).

Looks like you've found a way to be more condescending arrogant and elitist by demanding that a province leave because you don't like their democratic choices. The population of Canada is largely found in ON and Quebec which makes both important for getting majority governments. You might not like it but them's the facts. Many english media pundits have said the same. Maybe you'd like to exile them?

- Doesn't anyone give a shit anymore that the entire province has, for decades, consistently elected a vast majority of MPs who's stated goal is the break up of this country?

Lot's of people care but attacking their democratic choices won't fix the problem.

Isn't there some way we can ban a political party who's goal is to kill the country? Isn't that treason or something?

Yes let's ban political parties that we don't like. We don't need freedom of association. And let's also ban people from talking about things we don't like or believing in things we don't like. Your suggestions would do more to destroy Canada then the Bloc has ever done.

Shouldn't we find a way to whip these frenchies into line? I bet if we all got creative we could find a way.

They're Canadians. Your call for creative solutions to whip an ethnic group into line is disgusting.

I mean, it's like a spoiled child. Imagine how special YOU would feel if you kept whining and complaining about leaving and people kept begging you to stay. That big Canada rally before the referendum (1995?) was crap. Someone should have staged a paralle rally saying "GO QUEBEC GO!"

Your whole post is something that sounds like a spoiled child. You're saying they didn't vote the way you wanted so let's get rid of them. You don't like their choice of representation so let's ban them.

Tough love. It's the only way. They have yet again ruined our democracy.

The only one trying to ruin our democracy is you. I think it's a good thing that we can elect whoever we want and promote our beliefs. That's real democracy. Your democracy seems to demand that only Harper get elected.

So here's a suggestion if you don't like it you leave. With your views about our rights and freedoms Canada might be a better place without you.

[tango]

Thanks marksman. My sentiments exactly. Attitudes and public rudeness like that of our 'Jerry Seinfeld' (who is not as funny as his name would suggest) are the reason some Quebecers would prefer not to associate with Canada.

I think one of our real issues in Canada, as far as all of us getting along, is the western attitude of superiority. I never heard anyone in Ontario dis westerners, but when you go there, boy do you hear them dis us! Fact is, those who have those attitudes would like to ditch the rest of the country and sometimes I wish they would just stop whining and do it. However, being Canadians, we'd probably make a caravan to convince them to stay too!

I'm not saying the redistribution of taxes across the country is fair as it stands. It likely does need some work. However, those who whine about being a 'have' province should consider the future when they may 'have not'. Natural resources are all on Indigenous land. They do not belong to the provinces. As Indigenous people say "Did you bring that oil with you from Europe?"

[Smallc]

but when you go there, boy do you hear them dis us!

Sadly very true. Some people don't know how to love the entire country.