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Out of place comment, my pardon plz =) I meant that communism gives you the ability to have the basic requirements to live, whereas in a democracy poverty is a great virus there, due to capitalist domination....not everyone lives well in democracies, only those with the wealth..

Not counting the war effort---->50million...., there was 50million ppl killed under the regime...informed by my father, grandson of a leading communist...hehe Well...thats too bad for them, if you live by the system, follow the laws, you generally live happy...And besides, don't tell me democracy does better in that sense---> Communism offers a chance to be a human, Democracy gives you only but the right...(beggars..criminals..) Right..but thats with all new technologies no?That accidents like this happen---->stressing the fact that Soviets (altho to prove their supremacy) did this for humanity (for Soviet humanity =) ) whereas US (who also did it for humanity) now uses space as an instrument of raping privacy (satellite photos..you can't be safe anywhere anymore, and with the posts im making, im sure they already have a file on me hehe j/k =) ) Well i did...But you in the place of the tortured ppl, would beg for death...death is liberation from suffering..Unless you're a sadist, and like to c ppl suffer =? Freedom=anarchy....US democracy??If it was good, then everyone would adopt it, unfortunately todays world, and also since the beginning of humanity it has not been so, because of ppls different temperaments...its something you have to accept. There may be many different outcomes for this problem: a. USA stay there, and grant a number of young men to die every year to keep order, as well as implement the US democracy there....Then in the long-run it might improve....but ohoho, USA will be one scary place to go to, as terrorist activity will increase because of this...And this will in the end lead to the fall of USA, as Afghanistan led to the fall of communism...It will drain the economy further, creating an impossible impossible debt (its currently impossible, if i am not mistaken) b. USA leaves as soon as constitution is drawn up, leaving the different ethnic groups to take care of their matters independently, hence provoking a bloody civil war....Encouraging different terrorist factions to rise, fight with each other, and also kill innocent people in western countries...as the cause of their grief... c. USA creates a confederation, dividing the different groups accordingly into different smaller states, though it will probably create another Israel-Palestine problem, version Further East tho... d. Extreme Nazi case: drop an atom bomb there to end problem once and for all...(though i do not recommend this..i believe in their right for equality, therefore doing this would mean also throwing bombs on our own countries...) In either case, the USA was successful in arousing anti-US feeling throughout the world, and giving reason more for the uneducated ppl to join such factions as al-qaida...Bravo, and thx George. No, look at your country throughout the next 10-20 years, and you will understand why it collapsed.. Well, I've got my life to see what happens in irak, and democracy, and USA, time will tell, i will be patient and learn what there is to learn from that.. Well that answers bout almost everything up until now hehe----> but im just going to add you this thing...look carefully: Roman Empire >< Huns (Barbaric Tribes) Catholics (Crusaders) >< Islam (Sarrasins) Britain >< Spain France (Napoleon)>< Britain (King whoever it was) France (Clemenceau)>< German Empire (Wilhelm II) Nazi Germany >< Soviet Union USA >< USSR See where i'm tryin to get??no??not yet?? OK!! 1992- Fall of communism...-----> USA >< ...... 2004: USA >< Terrorism This is called "Balance Of Power"....what the US gvt failed to notice throughout history, is that therell always be another "BIG" bad guy to counter the BIGGEST world power...no matter where, when, and why...it just happens like that...unless USA have plans to take over the world, which could work hehe, but will not =) as shown by our friend from old times, Hitler...

KK!! Whats gonna be next??Sadam hides aliens in his basement?? OK ok, I agree...yes..thats inhuman...but still, Bush+Blair will always find extra reasons for war...They shouldve thot before, and planned this out, rather than just saying...Atom Bomb...where is that?aaaaa hate thinkin bout this

LL () Hehe, right, but he restrained the chiites, and the kurds, and other ethnic varieties from going out in the street, speaking out in the name of their traditions, then running back home and taking their AK's to go shoot those that don't agree...400 thousand people is nothing compared to---> The freedom that USA will grant them, to go kill each other...We thank you USA. +where does it say i assume they will not be successful??I say...They WILL not be successful, its not an assumption, its a certainty...For their goal was WMD...where are they? Ahaha, Sadam was a secondary goal, they got rid of him, wheres the democracy?Reading what US soldiers do to the prisonners there, no words..nothing more to say..at least sadam just killed people...rather than depreciating them of all the honor they have left as human beings and mistreating them like shit..For them, those prisonners are just anyone, but anyone means everyone, so yes, I back this!!The same should be done to them... Hehe for all those saying evil of communism---->u have never lived under a communist regime, I insure you that it ain't as terrible as you may think, now the idea of being crushed within a capitalist society, like your democracy...thats scary..But ok thats not the point, im not trying to deviate the conversation...Whatever you say about communism may be true and may be not, however, i dont think you know anything about soviet communism, except as external viewers, and you will never really know unless u talk bout this with a Russian communist, (or person) who has lived there, so please don't be so violent and aggressive like this about that, be chill =) Hugo, my personal opinion tells me that u've been going too much to school in the states during the cold war...lol 100million, if only, thatd be the perfect little society, which it wasnt---->half the number at least, and no offense gainst u And democracy chilled, while Soviet Union took the lead in space =) Lol, or rather you should say communism lost, but you are entitled to your opinions Hehe one thing i dont like bout this forum, is that most of you guys don't accept other ppls subjectivity, fight for your thoughts, which is respectable, but also terribly wrong, which reflects US in irak =) But don't take this personally, we are in the same trip, since we ended up on the same forum

Hehe, if you look at US history as a whole...Stalin+Hitler are n00bs and angels.. compared to US gvt... As to what you said blackleaf...omg..no words.. As to Terrorism Downed 2003...lol, media, education, are all institutions of the gvt (i am absolutely sure) and many things aren't even added there.. Lol the numbers in irak??Haha, these statistics are completely BIASED!!Who wants to admit to their country that 10 men are dying daily, instead of "only" 2... Hehe, and I think that those criminals against humanity, should be punished in a good way...Build a huge gladiator pit, where ppls of the world can come together to watch these fools kill each other, or die in mass if they refuse hehe...The only survivor will get to finish his life in a prison =) (thats it...im gonna become torture minister somewhere hehe ) I mean seriously...you play around with other ppls human rights, what rights do you yourself expect?die!!

OK, yes, I'll take this into account..hmm, but I totally agree with this, but then, US, by doing this, created chaos in that region, whereas saddam kept it under firm control (and although I must say it is terrible what he did), what the US gvt did, was to open barriers between different cultures and ethnics in Irak....If one day they will withdraw (which is going to be hard..), the americans will leave the poor iraki ppl to fight between themselves. Saddam was there to bring fear, in order to bring people together, now this fear is gone, yes sure they will be united but only until USA leaves...After,...I don't really want to imagine, but I will, and what I imagine is a big civil war, with all the known attrocities, committed by: USA, Sadam, and all those who committed them in the past (in the world, not only irak..) Final result: Saddam killed (i dont know this...) a few thousand , million over his 20 years of rule (or more?) US Intervention- by now its 10k that died (although you can't trust media nowadays...) When US Troops leave- millions...millions...----->the U.n? What will they do?Come in and say, don't fight, peace...no it doesnt work like this nowadays... Well...history has all the facts there for you French Revolution--->u seriously think peasants could speak? Russian Revolution--->non-priveleged groups??who are they? In my point of view (as again, it is important I say this, so that people don't take this as a fact, and thinking i'm imposing smthg on them =) ) generally speaking, the iraki people didn't have enough will to do so, because the situation wasn't that bad altogether----->now how could sadam develop the country??If there was an embargo...Of course he will try to keep the riches of the country for himself, but in doing so, he deprives them from the population, which sooner or later would've stood up to this... Why the US wasn't coercive??Hehe, historically, Russia, the Soviet Union (yehaaa!!i was born there under the crumbling regime-1986 =) ) was feared, and this goes back to post-WW1, when the Russians "betrayed" their allies. Communism was seen as an ally of Germany's evil..This is why British as well as French, and **** knows what other countries sent troops to go fight communism, which had triumphed, and had gotten the right to be feared especially after the doctorine of spreading it around the world.....And I am not saying that this is good or bad, don't assume things that haven't been written....My father was in the communist party, and although he benefitted greatly from various things, other things were reprehensible...50 million dead, for the "great" communist cause----->this is a crime against humanity---->so coming back to my point, USA knew that France and Italy (although socialist--->not communist) would never become communist.... Wasn't it the cold war policy of the 2 powers, to prevent the doctorine of the other to spread?? Well hehe, socialism exists everywhere, and always existed but under different forms (hmm feudal system??not sure) and isn't harmful, more helpful to countries actually... Hehe! Did you see that T-72 thing in a movie about Afghanistan??Hehe, by the way...coming back to the issue of this topic....Irak = Afghanistan....beginning of the end (as I see it...) 10 years only after Afghanistan, Soviet economy was in ruin, and at the dawn of a "revolution" in Russia, and still hasn't recovered... And yes I agree, you can't just kill people like this, but it must be clearly understood that Soviet Communism, was the FIRST type of communism put into practise....Like USA...when they had their so called democracy...and then for over a 100 years, repressing black people...do you think thats right?No probably not....For any regime to be stable, it takes time, to test things, and opposition must be erased, though how, it differs from state to state...All throughout Russian history, blood had been spilled endlessly, in order for this great country to be stable... Lenin, g0d? Yes of course, he was the father of Russian modernisation (with Stolypin, tho to a greater extent) Modernisation??Yes, Russia was one of the most backward countries in the world before the revolution, revolution brought terror, but in the long run, when you look at Russia now....(even though many intelligent people have been massacred in the course.. =( ), and I will tell you for sure, the education system there, made up of only 11 grades, is far more advanced than in many other countries including USA, BUT!!BUT!! except for sciences, many studies were biased, just like in the states, so that coming out of school, you would work towards a "greater communism" (USA, towards a "greater capitalism", though you are able to deny this, and follow ur own path)......The fall of communism brought terrible conditions to the country...Hehe, i'm already getting tired and confused, so I will just go on studying my history (exam tomorrow ) and I will get back to this =) Take care!

People forgot about chechnya, but it is in a way very much like irak...comes from ignorance...why?Well ask the leaders of the opposing parties to tell you why they are fighting...They may give you reasons, but only resulted from the war itself... As to myself, I believe that this problem could easily be solved if you have power...hehe lol, just drop a nuclear warhead..easy, simple...But foolish ppl who think they have even more power (always the US =) ) will always be there and find a reason to counter this..although it may be justifiable.. Well, what do you think??Should i become president one day?

Blackleaf once said: Younger..but not forcibly smarter, looking @ US education which in MY POINT OF VIEW (yes mine...) hasn't yet been reformed since the cold war...which means that you study how to be a good capitalist--->therefore benefitting, not caring about others.. Education plays a crucial role today, those who will be in power in 10-20-30 years, are those who are educated, and can look @ the world from more than just one perspective...whereas IN MY POINT OF VIEW, US education (as a whole..there are exceptions) cannot offer its citizens... To back this up----> check this site www.costofwar.com

Lol!!Hi, this is my first post... Yes i've heard of this...but..one thing is to help without saying anything, another thing is to help and in exchange require the helped to think as the helper, and this my friend I think is US policy's greatest fault (greatest fault of the cold war too, the reason for it as well)... Human rights are important!!Humans within their own society, shall decide whether democracy is for them, or not, and it is not some other SUPER power to come and force their thoughts on the poor ppl...