g_bambino
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I'm obviously not going to say it's ok when a woman rapes a man because that's a ridiculous pretence you threw into your argument there. But don't sit here and pretend that men's experience of rape from women is the same. In fact, men are far more likely to be raped by other men even.
I'm going to assume you didn't mean to call rape a "ridiculous pretense" and point out that I didn't make an argument, I asked a question, a question you didn't answer; the relativism and judgment was all just a red herring. I asked if you thought women alluding to rape or a woman seducing a reluctant man into sex could be construed as signs of a "rape culture". We don't have to focus so narrowly on the specific incident at UofO, but, if you want to include it, a parallel could be drawn between it and those women who've said they want to see a man they don't like--an ex, a boss--sexually abused or having his genitals harmed, fantasising about using sex as a tool for humiliation. It seems clear that if a man says or does any of the aforementioned, you regard it as evidence of a "rape culture". Do you hold women to the same standard or uphold a double one?
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They make derogatory remarks about a woman, talking about assaulting her sexual (one of them wanted to "punish her with [his] shaft") and you're going to sit here and sanitize it by calling it "having an opinion on sexuality"?... It's completely unacceptable.
I'm not going to defend the pretense that talking about using sex to punish a woman equates with an opinion on sexuality, but, I am curious: When a group of women talk and laugh together about holding some particular man down and doing whatever they want to him, do you damn them in the same way you do these UofO men? When a woman seduces a reluctant younger man, is that just a sexual initiation the man deserves a high-five for, or can it be construed as a sign of "rape culture"?
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I'm familiar with such debates, but I've never seen the "incubators of rape culture" claim made.
Hm. I was sure I'd read the words "rape culture" in articles about opposition to men's groups on university campuses, but I can't find where. Regardless, in my research I came across what's tantamount to accusing these organisations of fostering rape culture; "justifies sexual assault" and "encourages sexual assault" are pretty well synonyms for perpetuating a rape culture.
On the agenda roster [of the national general meeting of the Canadian Federation of Students] is a motion to amend the "Sexual Assault and Violence Against Women on Campus" policy to account for the "increase in the presence" of men's groups on Canadian campuses.
According to the motion: "The groups... promote misogynist, hateful views towards women and ideologies that promote gender equity, challenges women's bodily autonomy, justifies sexual assault, and decries feminism as violent."..
The Women's Centre on [the Simon Fraser University] campus, further, said it would no support a men's centre that... "promotes the status quo, encourages sexual assault, or fosters an atmosphere of competition and violence."
Student union brands men's rights groups as 'hateful' clubs that 'justify sexual assault'
In this CityNews video can be seen protesters, one with face ubiquitously covered and a placard turning the acronym for men's rights association into "Misanthropic Rapist-supporting..." and one can only assume the unseen "A" was made to stand for "assholes" or something like that (something that can't be shown on TV, anyway). Then we see the UofT student union, like the CFU, condemning a men's rights activist as someone who "justifies sexual assault".
On the SFU women's centre's views on masculinity (or "male culture"):
Although the women’s centre’s coordinator declined to be interviewed, skepticism of the concept is evident in the centre’s FAQs... Masculinity, it says, “denigrates women by making them into sexual objects, is homophobic, encourages violence, and discourages emotional expression.”
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Prove me wrong.
What a deflection.
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I agree with Black Dog and the disputed students position. Consent must be continuous for once withdrawn the continuation of sexual congress is no longer consensual and therefore rape.
I don't think anyone has disagreed with that.
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Your male culture is disgusting and inhumane.
It's not his "male culture", it's that of some (most?) people who purport there's such a thing as "rape culture". Of course, of those people, one's definition of "rape culture" is not necessarily the same as another's. But, there are enough people who believe "male culture" is close enough to "rape culture" to get out and protest the foundation of men's centres on university campuses, wanting them barred because they are, in their minds, incubators of "rape culture".
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Yes, I see the University of Ottawa is starting a committee on "rape culture' on campus. This is a phrase which started at St. Mary's, and seems, if you actually pin down the people involved, to mean men thinking, looking and talking lustfully about women. In other words rape culture = male culture.
Yup. And women thinking, looking, and talking lustfully about men is Sex and the City.
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Does "stop" mean "no"? Does "I don't really want to" mean "no"? Does "I don't know" mean "no"? No means no is inappropriately simplistic.
Deciding whether or not there's "constant enthusiasm" isn't so easy as interpreting the clear verbal expressions you bring up.
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Think about what it would be like if she asks him to stop and forces her to keep going or tries to coerce her against her will.
That's a specific situation. Not showing "constant enthusiasm" covers far more than the scene you painted.
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So your issue is you believe this will increase the number of false claims?
I didn't say false claims. It's that the more broad the definition of rape becomes, the more sexual events that will be regarded as rape. If, for example, a man continues having sex with a woman who was at first enthusiastic, but got bored part way through, but didn't tell him to stop, then that man is a rapist, if not by law then in the eyes of those "educated" by this "public service/awareness" campaign. And it stands to reason the campaign aspires to "educate" as many people as possible.
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More importantly, once the mismatch between the law and their beliefs is exposed they are likely to demand that the law be changed.
Well, that does seem to be a logical assumption. But, so far, an assumption is all it is.
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Support your claims.
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Student groups composing an advocacy campaign, no matter what language they use, is not a call for "an expansion of the basis for criminal charge."
Not directly, no. But, if people, women, female university students in particular here, are taught that if they had sex with a man after giving him permission to do so, but didn't agree to it or to let it continue with "constant enthusiasm" (the definition of which is lose and completely open to interpretation), they can validly accuse that man of rape. Of course, that doesn't mean he'd be convicted of rape; but the accusation alone is highly damaging.
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Your attitude is precisely the problem.
No kidding. Only men force women to have sex they don't "enthusiastically" want. A woman can validly say she was raped if she decides later she wasn't actually as enthusiastic as she let on or the enthusiasm she had at the time has latterly dissipated. A sexist, mean-spirited attitude.
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Well if that's the full depth of your ability to discriminate, perhaps you'd best abstain.
Humourless and sexist. Charming.
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Losing this is a black eye for blair not ford.
What do you mean by "losing this"?
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What am I to think but to think he is still supported by conservatives? I bet they vote him in again.
Just because he was supported mostly by conservatives, people who consider themselves conservative may still support him now, and some Conservative politicians have publicly supported him (silence does not equal support) does not mean every conservative supports him, which was implied in your earlier post.
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I'm sure glad I'm married so I don't have to give too much thought to all this - I never say no, I just do as I'm told.
By the definition seemingly held by some, if that extends to sex, it constitutes rape.
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...Ford's enablers, like you, who don't have the character to admit when they are horribly, horribly wrong.
But, in the process of denying their mistake, they have adopted a far more lenient stance on druggies and a more critical eye towards the police. Perhaps if Ford were re-elected, the trend would continue and those once arch-conservatives would come to fit right in at rabble.ca.
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Did he rape and steal?? Does he bugger little kids? No he acted like a normal human being that got into some trouble.
Hm. Would you say the same of any other buffoonish, bullying, hard drug using and alcohol abusing consort of drug dealers and thugs?
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Perhaps you could even elect the same leader for decades!
Like Mackenzie King?
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I can see why Harper and his government still defend him.
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What a silly comment to make.
As I suspected, you can't. Thanks for verifying that.
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Just imagine what he could have done to Toronto.
Imagine.... Why? We don't have to imagine what Ford's done to Toronto.
Quebec General Election 2014
in Provincial Politics in Canada
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Perhaps that's a good thing. Employing a countervailing force hasn't been entirely successful, so far; in fact, it could be seen to have simply fed the force it's meant to counter.