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so? I will continue offering this to the people. Even if I can't convince people I will continue. will you continue the way you are doing now? Pindar

I know and it's ok. I also know that the government let people get on the internet to do these kind of things But I still treat them with respect, even if they try to ridicule me. i can handle that, and you know the quote from Schoppenhauer?: So, no matter what, i will continue Pindar

well, as you see, if i give out information you will call it beforehand crack-pot etc. And it is you every right to call it that. However, other people might think otherwise, please respect that. You give me ridicule etc, why? I don't do that with you. Can we please respect each other differences? Thanks Pindar

So, people who want to investigate all this, this is a very good beginning: None dare call it conspiracy Full text of the book and for free. So, dear Reader, if you realy intrested, just start with this, if only a few pages. Pindar

prove what? I know these tricks If I give you 'proof' you raise the bar etc etc I don't want to play games like this I am only offering information and if you don't mind I stop this way of discussion it leads nowhere I am putting energy into someone who isn't intrested. and it's ok if you want to defend that it is not so etc. I don't care. I will give out information for open minden people here. Pindar

Again I am not here to convince anyone. Isnt't that odd? people are convinced I am. try to figure out why. people nowadays can't imagine someone NOT indoctrinating them! I am presenting information that is withheld from us for at least hundreds of years But we can begin in the now. There is sooo much surpressed! And it all has to do with the powers behind the screen. yes Everything! scarcity=dependency=control Pindar

I don't worship them at all! How can you think that? well, brains they have! They are for sure not stupid at all! and no creative power? well, that depends, but I know for sure they want to destroy our creativity. sorry but if i reed the above, I really think we are not talking about the same 'people' Pindar

well, again, I can see you haven't studied it a bit and know most about it. it's ok, it's ok Pindar

The only thing you are saying to me is that you don't understand what I am talking about. I don't call them "Illuminati" They do, and they think they are above the rest. However, they are the (negative) manipulators of society, and we all are "puppets on a string" and even don't realise it. Especcially the ones who are defending the status quo. Pindar

Even this is only your opinion. I KNOW I can't convince people. however, I think the information is very important and i can offer this to you and others. But I can't tell you what you want to do with it, that's not up to me. You can take it or leave it, it's ok and since when can you mindread? I am looking for others to help validat e my beliefs?? Sorry, but you don't know me, and I don't post to validate them at all! I offer this to people who are open and receptive to this. Pindar

I know replies like this. it's actually no reply but a conditioned response masked as an argument It's ok. some people have the courage to look into this, some not. And I can't convince anyone, people has to do this for themself. I can only point to the information and tell that I think it is very very important. I am not trying to convince anyone, you can think what you want, it's called 'freedom' Nuff said Pindar

Unfortunately, you even have given me a good argument! sorry, but it doesn't work this way. Pindar

sounds you already have made up your mind, and won't investigate. it's ok, but it's your choice. Please start respecting each others choices Thank you Pindar

very very good! Now try to find out about the Round table Group, Rhodes scholars, Trilateral Commision and the Council of Foreign Relations. Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove, Hell Fire Club, and on and on it goes.. or start reading this; 13 bloodlines of the illuminati and wake up! Pindar

well , i don't tink it works that way. I don't pick things from sites like Alex Jones alone. If you bring it that way, well maybe you can be right. But I have been to lectures, seen I don't know how many videos, read hundred of books about it, and talked to people. And well, if you research this way, you'll find out that a lot Alex Jones is saying makes sense! And for calling people sheeple, well I was one. And you know why most are? Not even because they don't know, but because they try to put each other in line, and don't even know it that they are the 'thought' police! But they are! it's called psychological fascism. So instead of ridiculing and thinking you know all (I for sure don't) start researching some, and please come back and please convince me that I am wrong! I want to be wrong, deadly wrong. Pindar

you are not serious otherwise I would do that Ik thank the serious people here very much for their replies. I will go on despite the ridiculing. People who ridicule often don't know why they do that. Pindar

and something else, you have in the "protocolls" to replace 'jews' etc with freemason and the whole thing becomes clear! Pindar

Right! Pindar

what you are showing is that you realy have no idea what I am talking about. Most people who have raised these same arguments. However, the elite want you to believe this, because that way you stay out! There is a special organisation, I have to look up the name, who will ridicule anyone talking about the illuminati as racist etc etc etc. But is it true? Investigate that for yourself before you start ridiculing (need for myths, fantasies and crackpot notions.) And something else, you say I feel the need for need for myths, fantasies and crackpot notions. However, I didn't know what I would find, and now I have found it, I don't like it at all! I really don't need it! I want to get rid of it, but we can only do this collectively. That is why I tell this to people. I say a lot: prove me wrong! I want to be wrong! You realy have no clue what it is about, and your reaction is a standard reaction right from the Tavistock Institute, yes, it is not your own thought. try cultiviting those Pindar

are you having trouble with what I am saying? If so, why? Pindar

how very well put! And there is more to it. e.g. The elite create "mind-controlled slaves" all the way through all layers of society, and so they can control any aspect of it, while at the same time it looks completely natural for us, people, so that whe don't question it. There is so much more, there are so many layers. Pindar

rest assured, I know a lot about the elite and i can tell you you don't want to be a member, they are evil to the core! And btw you can't become one for reasons I might go in later. btw started to investigate what I said above? Right! Pindar

Yes, It would be a very very good thing to encourage the kids to think and to reason independently! Never thought of that one, but if the kids realy starts thinking they, the elite, have a huge problem. But in order to let them think properly stop givintg them fluoride, really, fluoride makes people docile and less resitant to authorities: you probably also didn't know that fluoride was a waste product of the Manhattan Project (Atom Bomb)? Right! His real name was Eric Blair and he knew about the 'elite' because he was a lot in politics etc etc. Thats why he wrote it. Well, it's now time to wake up! Pindar

Very well put! Thank you! Please invstigate 'Outcome Based Education' and you will find the pupils are deliberatly dumbed down. There is no education, there is , if you look at it closely' only indoctrination. You HAVE to say what they want to hear, or else you are out! And I don't mean this as an insult to anyone, but you know who are the most closed minded people:scientist! They are nearly all so closed, you can't have a decent conversation with them about things that are ven a little controversial. And maybe this is good to remember: what ever the government want, it will get! So, if the education is bad, then THAT is what they want! Try avoiding your tax, they get you! Pindar

Thanks for encouraging me. It is too important not to say these things, even if I am ridiculed. I know that a lot of people will ridicule what I say before they have read one letter about it. Offcourse one day I was also like that, because that is what the system wants. no thinking of your own, hence the 'sheeple' I had to learn not to dismiss something because it was another idea. Once you 'break that, there emerges a completely different world with nearly anything upside down (there is a special reason for this, I wil go later into that). If you start to onvestigate you wil discover the following (don't take my word for it) and before you laugh, please investigate, i know it sounds bizar the first time. we never went to the moon with the shown technology. There is free energy ( so no crisis neccesary) banks loan money they don't have and create the depressions and booms at will all important religions are made by the elite to fight off each other (there is soooooo much more to say about reliion) science is a manipulaton tool for the elite. main stream 'news' is a propaganda tool for the elite, to direcht public opinion and dumbing down. there are means for treating 'cancer' and other diseased etc, but is surpressed. and on and on it goes thanks for the reply Pindar