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Canada's immigration laws at the time were setup to not allow non-whites into the country and specifically targetted potential immigrants from India. If that wasn't outright systematic racism then what is? If nobody cared then why did the Government of Canada publicly apologize a few years ago? Compensation was also given to descendents of some of the people turned back. Same thing with done with Chinese immigrants who were forced to pay a 'head tax' and also forced to work on the railways of this country. 1 Christian by the name of 'George Bush' has incited extreme hatred of the West amongst Muslim extremists after be unilaterally invaded and occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. How stupid was he to attack Aghanistan, a country where the government (Taliban) was setup and funded by the ISI (Pakistan's intigellence agency) and full backing from the CIA itself? It was 19 hijackers/suicide bombers of 9-11 and Bin Laden himself who are from Saudia Arabia but the Saudis were not attacked because the US is propping up their unpopular government. Many of those same extremists are also unhappy with the US meddling in the int ernal affairs of other mid-east countries. At this moment the US is either directly or indirectly propping up unpopular puppet governments in Aghanistan (drug smuggling warlords run most of the country and the puppet Karzai runs Kabul), Pakistan,Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. If the US believes so strongly in democracy, then why not hold public elections in Pakistan,Iraq,Afghanistan Then again Bush wasn't elected into office either. He was appointed.

That is the fault of the US-backed dictator Musshraff who did not take action against those people. Just like he isn't doing anything to find the killers of Bhutto. To some muslims, they have a belief that the hijab has to be worn by females at all times. Others who are more moderate in their beliefs don't care for it. Like like there are Christian and Jewish extremists and moderates, there are moderates and extremists amongst Muslims too. The history of how the US came to be what it is today is a topic that deserves a thread of its own. Let me leave you with this link and you can read for yourself the carnage left behind by post WWII US imperialism: http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa02.html In the history of the world the US is the only country to use a nuclear bomb on another country and they did it twice and acted like nothing happened. Look up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Point being that he was elected democratically. Very much unlike Bush who was appointed by a judge. The media is really good at showing the side of extremism. They never show how moderates are denouncing such acts. Tarek Fatah is a major Muslim leader in this country who represents moderates. He denounced it like there was no tommorow. It doesn't matter what they might have done. The US unilaterally attacked the countries that they were in without provokation and then violated their rights as P.O.W.'s that are guaranteed under the Geneva Conventions that the US has signed for. I don't need to convince you or anyone else. It is a joke that the person (Al Gore) who won the majority of the votes was not made the President of the US. I spit on such a process. That is not democracy.

Take it for what you want. Racism is against the law. There are Hate crime laws in this country and they extend to the internet too.

I'm not denying that its not a problem, but in the context of other problems prominant amongst white America such as being gay, polygamy, having kids out of wedlock and divorce it ranks somewhere in there. Most of these countries where these honor killings occurr (esp Pakistan) have governments fully backed by the USA.

That is not racism. French speaking Quebeckers of French origin and English speaking of British origin Quebeckers are of the same race.

Like I said earlier in a post on this thread, if you want we can get into the rights and wrongs of Native treaties but I would rather start another separate thread for that. Many treaties have not been honoured where the land was supposed to be given back. At least 1/3 of British Columbia falls into this category.

The cashier just assumed from the person's skin colour that they don't have anything in common and probably don't speak good english. That is racial profiling and against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It depends on where you live. In places like Toronto and Vancouver where half the population are visible minority, I am sure there are more than enough coloured people who speak accentless english. According to the law by doing what they are doing, they are equally as Canadian as you and I. They are doing nothing wrong. I don't agree with it myself but the laws of this land which are entrenched into the Consititution and Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Multiculturalism is the law of this land. What Trudeau introduced to this country is exactly what you don't like. You can either change or deal with it. No. As a percentage per capita Whites account for the highest amount of crime. I can provide stats for you. I have in the past researched this subject in detail. Just look at prison populations for example which are almost all white. When an Indo-Canadian or Chinese-Canadian committs even a petty crime it is front page news and their creed, religion, ethnicity, etc. all get published. When a white does a crime, rarely is his religion or ethnicity ever reported. Petty crimes by white people rarely make the front page news.

3 million arabs (most of whom are christian) out of 300+ million people in the US. Canada has a smaller population. I would hate to be a Muslim or Arab living in the US of A today: http://www.hanania.com/hatevictims.html http://www.pluralism.org/research/profiles...p?profile=74090 Even Sikhs and Hindus who are different from Muslims are getting attacked and killed in the US.

The Geneva Conventions are clear that P.O.W's are not to be tortured. Bush thinks by calling them something else and jailing them outside of US soil that he can do whatever he wants. The rest of the world looks upon it as what it is: Torture and a violation of the Geneva Conventions. If the US doesn't follow international treaties then why should anyone else? No. The point I've been trying to make is that anyone with Citizenship in Canada no mattter if they are Native or if they're 20th generation here or just 3 years, they all equal as Canadians regardless of religion, and race. Some people here have this thinking that since they are white they are the only `Canadians`. We have different histories and different countries. The Head of State of Canada is Queen Elizabeth the Second. We have a Constitutinal Monarchy. The US is a Republic. 2 very different governments.

It may very well be culturally motivated. There is no way that it can be religiously motivated. No religion tells you to go and kill people. No religion tells you that a hijab must be worn at all times. Before opening your mouth at least take the time to find out what a religion says about something. Do some research. Just like Christians on the Abortion issue.

They get more media attention because they are Muslim. Whites are never reported in such situation as 'whites' or 'christians'. www.voiceonline.com

Ever here of Timothy McVeigh or the IRA??

If the US just minded its own business maybe 9-11 wouldn't have happened. They have so many people in so many different countries pissed off at them. Here are some reasons why: http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa02.html

Most of these countries such as Saudi Arabia are fully backed by the Government of the US.

Yet another isolated case. Nice to see you stereotyping a whole community based on one incident. Do I call all whites Savages based on what Paul Bernardo and Robert Pickton did? This is not how most Sikhs in Canada live. Dowry is a dieing thing amongst Canadian Sikhs. Many Sikhs who have spent a good chunk of their life here are anti-dowry and look down upon those who follow it. Dowry is agianst the Sikh religion. It is Sikhs from India who are keeping Dowry alive. Sikhs in India are influenced by the 1 billion Hindus who live in India. Dowry is a Hindu tradition.

Not true. I've seen 2nd and even 3rd generation people of colour get treated this way. That case was not reflective of the Sikh community as a whole. The part of the Sikh community that supports those actions are a minority and mostly found in BC. They are relatively new to Canada. They don't represent all Sikhs. There is nothing in Sikhism that supports killing a person like that. Nobody but the CBC is saying that these people are respected for killing their daughter. Most people I know in the Sikh community don't want anything to do with these type of people. Just because someone immigrates here doesn't mean they have to submit to the white way of life. They are allowed to keep all or any part of their religion or culture as long as they don't break laws or infringe on rights of others. Please don't expect them to become `Tom` or `Chris` or `Mike' overnight. Your laws of this country certainly don't. You can thank Mr. Trudeau for that. Mr. Dossanjh is a sworn enemy of the Sikh fundamentalists. I am not his biggest supporter but everyone in the Sikh community knows where he stands on certain issues. In the mid-80s he took a beating at the hands of fundamentalists on Hastings street in Vancouver. Fundamentalists later released a song mocking him and a video too celebrating the incident. You are really out to lunch if you think he would support them. He represents the people who have adjusted to Canadian life, have made something out of themselves and educated themselves. Fundamentalists on the other hand represent those who want to live in Canada exactly how they lived in India, and that includes not having to speak English. What I hate is when 1 or 2 minor cases of someone of colour gets so sensationalized in newspapers and tv when in fact the majority of welfare reciepiants, criminals, hookers and tax cheats in this country are White people. Vancouver sun routinely goes out of their way to put brown people on the front page with petty crimes, meanwhile a white guy just killed his entire family and its on page 3 or 4. Don't believe me? read: www.voiceoneline.com and check the past issues of it.

They are the original inhabitants of this country. Everyone EXCEPT them are offspring of immigrants or immigrants themselves. Do we really want to get into how their country was stolen and the rights and wrongs of unfair 1-sided Native treaties?

American Woman, before you get involved in stuff related to Canada why don't you watch your own backyard. You have leading International Terrorist George Bush who has the blood of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans on his hands. He also tried to overthrow democratically elected Venezuealan president Hugo Chavez using the CIA. This same US has in the past taken over unilaterally countries like Grenada and Panama without any provokation. Even Iraq is in that category. It was all about the Oil. Honour kilings are wrong. They don't represent all of Islam or other religions. These isolated incidents should not be used to tar entire religions as being bad. Tarek Fatah, one of the leaders of the moderate Muslims in Canada has denounced it over and over already. Fundamentalist muslims will never say its wrong. That would be like asking the Pope to say AIDS, being Gay and pre-marital sex are ok. It is not going to happen. The US's own laws on the book make it illegal to speak any language other than English. It might have been changed in recent times in some states but for the longest time assimilation was the way in the US and English was promoted as the only language. Over here in Canada, French and English are equally official as languages and anyone can speak any other language they want. Again, check your own backyard first. Your country is torturing humans at Guantanimo Bay in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions and your own laws on Bush's orders. Don't teach me about 'western culture'. I know all about it. I'm third generation Canadian and as Canadian as any white man in this land. Before you and your boy Bush start to tell the rest of the world about democracy, why not explain how he wasn't really elected in 2000. Gore actually won the vote percentage.

Black slaves are NOT original inhabitants of this land. The Natives are. in Canada we let the natives live. In the US most of them were killed off. Life as an Arab would suck in the US, having to constantly get treated as 3rd class citizen on flights and also being in fear of being reported as a 'terrorist' by your own neighbors.

Because of 9-11? 21 extremists don't represent 1 billion people. Did the world attack all of Christianity when Timothy McVeigh bombed Oklahoma? What exactly was David Sazuki and his family's fault other than than Japanese ethnic origin??? That is racism outright. Yea, I am a sikh. Muslims are like any other community. They are divided. People like Tarak Fatah, a moderate leader have been vocal for years on this type of stuff and in this case he was quite outspoken. Canada has to do a better job of screening such people out rather than just blindly giving out visas. WHenever one of these incidents does happen it doesn't mean that all Muslims are like that. There maybe some that support it but I guarantee you a lot of Muslims are against such beliefs. The hijab is just a cultural belief that some muslims have.

This is discussion has been nothing but a launching pad for racists to attack islam and the immigration system. Aside from the Native Indians everyone here is either an immigrant or offspring of Immigrants. Racism is a real thing in this country. It may not be as openly out there as it was during the Kamagatamaru incident in 1914 or when David Sazuki (as a child) was jailed along with his family for being japanese around the time of WWII, but it is still out there as 'subtle' racism. I have seen it countless times at stores such as Walmart where the cashier will ask a white person about their weekend, golf, kids and everything else under the sun. When the next coloured person comes along not even a 'hi'. What this guy did by strangling his daughter is totally unacceptable. He should be jailed and deported back if he is not a citizen. This tragedy should not be used to launch attacks on immigrants or islam as a whole. Generalizations are dangerous. For every person that does this I can cite you Robert Pickton, Karla Homolka, Ted Bundy, Jefferey Dalmer, Paul Bernardo, Colin Thatcher, and countless others. How much did all those murderers cost tax payers in their jurisdictions? The head scarf actually has nothing to do with Islam. It is a cultural thing that some people in some islamic countries follow. Just like how some Muslims follow the practice of marrying their first cousins. Even the concept of Arranged marriage is a cultural one. There is nothing in islam that says you have to have an arranged marriage. Not all immigrants become citizens. Whether you take Citizenship or not is a choice. Canada even allows you to keep the citizenship of your old country at the same time. Multiculturalism is entrenched in Canadian law and the constitution and is here to stay. Anyone got a problem with that can work on getting that legally changed. Multiculturalism that is in Canada means that people of different ethnic groups can keep their culture even amongst successive generations. They are under no obligation to assimilate. The US has a different melting pot which forces minorities to assimilate over time. All Canadian citizens are equal before the law regardless of skin colour and equal in our constitution as well the Charter of Rights and Freedoms gives everyone who is a citizen certain rights. Lastly, a lot of people have posted hate on this thread which is bordering on stuff that could be a violation of our hate laws. Please watch what you post. It doesn't take much for a complaint to be made and be charged for hate crimes. Ask Ernst Zundel. That case is different from this one. Amongst Sikhs in Canada it is an isolated issue. Within the Sikh community there are 2 groups that been in conflict over values and over control of religious temples for the last couple of decades. One is 'fundamentalists' who maybe have 30-40% of the population in BC lowermainland. These people are mostly recent arrivals with a strong attachment to India, Punjab and some are staunch supporters of a Sikh separatist movement for an independent homeland in Punjab called 'Khalistan'. The more extreme Khalistani group is few in numbers. The other group who represents the majority of Sikhs in Canada is called the 'moderates'. Moderates include people like former BC premier (and former Federal Health Minister) Ujjal Dosanjh, BC Attorny General Wally Oppal, etc. These are people who have adjusted to the Canadian way of life and many have been here for multiple generations. 'Fundamentalists' on the other hand have a strong resistance to adopting Canadian culture and values. The mom and uncle belong to this group. Police in India charged them with murder but IT IS THE REFUSAL OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO EXTRADITE THEM THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE STILL FREE. This despite an official extradition treaty signed between Canada and India when Joe Clark was External Affairs Minister in the Mulroney Government. At the present time conflict between moderates and fundamentalists have died down a bit. They each have their own temples. Outside of BC there is different dynamics as the conflict is not as bad as it was in BC. Fundamentalists' goal in life is to make it through life in Canada without learning or speaking a word of English. They want this even for thier Canadian born kids. Visit Abbotsford or Surrey sometime to see what I mean.