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  1. PolyNewbie Posted Today, 06:34 AM
    PeterF: Of the ten or so conspirators in the know I canthink of two off the top of my head who definately had to be in on the conspiracy.

    I expect that Rove, Rumsfeld, military planners, members of the CFR & Buiderbergs, Paul Martin, Chretien, + more knew what was comming.

    ...By ten or so people I mean 10 or so people that were directly involved in carrying out the actual attacks - putting bombs into place, etc. There would be another ten or so putting the guidance systems into the planes.

    PolyNewbie Mar 24 2007, 01:57 PM

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    ...I've heard intelligence experts say maybe 8 - 12 people were in on it. Intelligence works on compartmentalization. Given that Dyyer is not an intelligence expert and he failed to consult any I think Dyyer is pretty much shown to be an idiot.

    I've explained very plausibly that only 10 or so people would have to be aware of it all and explained exactly how that is and I am no intelligence expert althouygh I am much more intelligent than Dyer. No one has tried to say my explanation is impossible.

    So wich is it Polly?

  2. GostHacked:

    Some have come forward. A few janitorial peronelle in the basement heard loud explosions...

    Yes, they heard explosions. But were they reporting suspicious behaviour in the weeks prior to the attack? Did they receive instructions to perform tasks, that with hindsight they now question? They were witnesses to a possible demolition but they are not insiders to the conspiracy - even in a minor way.

    Of the ten or so conspirators in the know I canthink of two off the top of my head who definately had to be in on the conspiracy.

    1. Silverstein. He was aware of the demolitions (according to the demo theory) since he gave the order to 'Pull' wtc7.

    2. The unknown person Silverstein was giving the order to: apparently a wheel in the NYFD. That person must also have known that WTC7 was wired for demolition.

    Feel free to add your own members of the conspiracy. It won't take long to get to ten or so. Once we have the list of the 10 or so in the know I think we will find that despite the use of compartmentalizing tasks, the whole thing would be impossible for 10 or so folks to organize.

    Oh, I forgot, Number 3, the Bush fellow who was in charge of security of WTC. He had the place shut down for the weekend for no apparent reason and even had the bombsniffing dogs removed so's the 3 or 4 CIA guys could plant the thermite. Oh, and there's another 3 or 4 who definately were aware of the demolitions.

    That makes 6 or 7 already. Almost there now.

    8. Who ever it was that issued the order to NORAD to stand down. That would be Cheney, I believe.

  3. PeterF:Sorry, Polly, no hunting yet.

    I never actually expect to convince you. You claim to be an engineer but your discussion is cautious not to involve actual evidence.

    The rate of collapse and mechanics of the collapse already prove 911 was an inside job. All the other stuff is just additional ammunition for people that are not confident in their understanding of basic physics.

    People like you and stignasty will always ensure that we get a tyrannical government if the government wants to be tyrannical.

    I claim to be an engineer?? Never have, Polly. Its you that claims to have a BA in Electrical Engineering - yet you have no idea what an EMP is...and you never actually attended the classes - but you taught instead!

    Regarding the understanding of basic physics, some time ago you were going to produce the explanation of how the 2nd law of thermodynamics explains everything....you were working on it and promised it 'tomorrow'. But like your every other promise of an explanation for us layfolk - you have produced nada. nothing. All talk but no substance.

    You believe in Black magic; a small group of people conducting Mind Control; Are incapable of critical thought; and a constant liar.

    you are the biggest bullshitter on this web.

  4. did you see yourself in the above linked video cartoon stignasty ?
    PeterF: none of them have any inside knowledge of the conspiracy or had anything to do with the conspiracy.

    Intelligence experts and histoirians seem to think only 10 or so people would know about the big plot. I guess you agree with the presstitute idiots like Gwyn Dyer who say it had to be 10,000.

    911 Officials

    You're ignoring the obvious, Polly. What is it your polls say? 38% of Americans think you're right and the US govt was involved in 9/11? or is it 40%?

    That what? 40% of 300 million people? So near half the population of the US thinks there is a coverup going on and that the government was involved in the greatest mass murder in modern history.

    Yet, surprisinly, none of them were involved in any suspicious activity that they feel could have had something to do with the conspiracy that they believe exists.

    The Genius of the 10 or so conspirators is absolutely astounding! Not only do they parce up the work of the conspiracy in tiny packets (sortof like the Monty Python skit 'The Funniest Joke in the World') but, on top of that, they only contract out to contractors who, after 9/11, will think the conspiracy theory is bunk

    Sorry, Polly, no hunting yet.

  5. Polly:

    Lots of people have come forward

    Sure have...and none of them have any inside knowledge of the conspiracy or had anything to do with the conspiracy.

    Polly:

    You have one contractor do a few floors, another contractor do aother few floors, etc and you have the job on each floor compartmentalized so that the whole job on each set of floors isn't done by one contractor.

    Thats alot of contractors. How many floors in each tower? 110? so thats 220 seperate contractors. Even the folks doing the contracting havn't come forward to mention the wierdness of hiring contractors to do one floor and only one floor. They may have not thought much of it at the time - Silverstien says do it so they do it, he's the boss. But afterwards, Polly, afterwards there'd be some mention of it. Since none of the contractors or those placing the contracts would have done nothing wrong - all was on the up-and-up and perfectly legal so as not to raise suspicion - so those involved would have every reason to come forward to say this is what they did and when they did it.

    Not to mention the obvious paper trail of the numerous contracts

    Sorry. That hypothosis does'nt hunt.

  6. The night bomber offensive...while a success overall, ran into trouble because the Germans weren't stupid. They made a grid of their own where they placed a nightfighter in each square that hung around much like a spider waiting for a fly. The Allies suffered greatly. Halifaxes and Lancasters falling like 9-pins. Aircraft like the Heinkel 219 Owl Me-210 and Me-110 carved huge holes in the ranks of Bomber Command.

    As for the Luftwaffe flak units. Using a radar aimed 88mm or 128mm flak gun with timed fuses (night or day) is not something a civilian does. This isn't Iraqis shooting into the air like New Years in San Diego. It takes a trained crew. Being in the military I'd expect you to know this. As for where the flak units were drawn from...where do you think the bulk of the Wehrmacht was located? North Africa? No...over 80% of Germany's ground units were fighting in Russia. The demand for anti-aircraft units around German facilities jumped from nothing in 1940 to "O mein Gott!!!" by 1944.

    Guilo Doucet...

    Both he and HG Wells (The Shape Of Things To Come) predicted strategic bombing against civilians.

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    We'll meet again...don't know where...don't know when...

    ---Vera Lynn

    I actually read Douhet. I found his book amongst my grandfathers boxes when I was 14 or so. I thought it was nuts. I read it again when I found out that Guilo was considered an air power theorist who had alot of influence amongst the various air force chiefs. I still thought it was nuts. Course that was years after WWII with a fair amount of hindsight.

    Interesting that you associate him with HG Wells...as I consider Douhets book to read more like science fiction than anything else....though I have not read any of Mr.Wells none SF stuff

  7. GostHacked

    So even with compartmentalization of the events needed to execute 9/11, you do not need many in the whole know of the situation. Only a few need to know the whole plan. ... So when I break it down this way, it is easy to see that compartmentalization can produce an environment where only a few at the top need to know everything. The more your underlings know about your plot, the greater the risk of the plot being exposed.

    I will agree that that is reasonable. I'm not sure how reasonable in the case of 9/11 conspiracy, wich due to its complexity, would have involved a hellofalot of compartments.

    So even if the conspiracy was efficient enough to compartmentalize efficiently they could have pulled off the 9/11 thing (I don't agree with this possibility). But, on 9/12, AFTER the death and destruction, when the folks in the various compartments would start wondering what atrocity they were implicated in. Would not then the various folks in the many compartments say 'Heyyyyy...wait a minit' and then the truth would come out. Insiders blowing the whistle. I was there, I had to run a bunch of electrical cabling in wtc7 a week before, or I was drilling holes in the floors, or I was mocking up wierd phone calls that had remarkably similar text to those cellphone calls, or I was told by my supervisor to make quadrupely shure that I had indeed lost the A/C track. Stuff like that.

    Yet no insiders.

  8. But back to the point of the thread. Terrorists using children as decoys and using 'WMD' s (Chlorine).

    Surely there is no one amongst us who think terrorists are good people? I don't.

    Terrorists are fuckin arseholes who deserve whatever miserable end they meet. There is no morality in using children as shields or blowing up just whoever happens to be there in market places.

    But then, thats terrorism. Lets all sign a petition and send it to Al Jezeera for broadcast.

    Something like 'We think terrorists are scum. Please stop being terrorists and join the human race. If possible we recommend terrorists convert to christianity. Try it - you'll like it.'

    There is terrorism because terrorism works. If the terrorists have cottoned on to using children as decoys then they will use children as decoys. Pointless and random killing of innocents undermines the credibility of the government in power. Thus the persistance of terrorism.

    The moral West has failed miserably in Iraq. They cannot stop car bombs going off, or children being used as decoys, or chlorine gas being released.

    All the condemnations in the world don't mean squat, when the terrorists successfully blow up stuff. Every car bomb or IED that goes off is proof that the Gov't of Iraq and its security apparatus is useless.

    And thus Democracy will not thrive but will fail as it has not the ability to provide security to its citizens.

    The failure of Western policy in Iraq has been in thinking that the Military might of the USofA will be able to provide the security necessary for Democracy to thrive.

    It was folly.

  9. ScottSA:

    There are other primary sources too, including writings by Bomber Harris ... in general, they agree that strategic bombing was exceptionally effective when used against industrial targets, and of limited value when used as Guilo Doucet (you won't find much about him at all on the net I suspect) thought it ought to be used, as an instrument of terror.

    Harris always said his night bombing campain would win the war. Not really surprising that he claims that strategic bombing was exceptionally effective.

    Unfortunately, Harris also directed his bombing campaign against the German populace. His aim was to make thier lives as miserable as possible - and he succeeded admirably. Harris was not pleased with being forced to direct his bombers against industrial targets after the Casablanca conference. He considered it a misuse of resources. Every heavy bomber lost to 'tactical' targets or lost to u-boat patrols was a weakening of his superb weapon.

    As you have pointed out

    Harris perhaps said it best (and I'm paraphrasing): that terror bombing in Hamburg and Dresden had the effect of pushing people into a pit, withdrawing the ladder, and throwing rocks at them until they climbed out.

    The real value of the bombing campaign was its direction towards the destruction of the German transportation network beginning in early 1944. And of course the destruction of the Luftwaffe as an effective force once the P47's and P51's appeared in large numbers.

    It was the destruction of the transportation network, coupled with the loss of the Eastern coalfields to the Russians , that directly led to the diminuation of German industrial output, not the Strategic Bombing of industry .

    Dog on Porch is correct, I think, to point out the tremendous resources the Germans put into the air defence network to battle the bombers. However, Bomber Commands aim was to destroy the morale of the German workers - not to force Germany to commit vast amounts of material and manpower to defending Germany.

    So the RAF's bombing campaign was called 'terror bombing' by the Germans and rightly so because that was its very intent - to terrorize. It was right out of Douhets book.

    But it worked, despite Harris' intent, Thanks to rational direction from the Casablanca conference.

  10. No, you're just calling for a war that would include 21% of the world's population.

    Follow me here...I'm merely pointing out that we are in a war. That war is against Islam. I'm not calling for a war, I'm pointing out that we're already in one.

    We're not in a war against Islam. Never have been and hopefully never will be. Of course, there are folks that think we should be, but as yet we arn't.

  11. When a people is not good at producing anything of value, they relish ruling over others and extracting tribute. It helps if such a parasitic relationship can be justified in religious terms. The term I'm looking for is dhimmitude.

    The Muslims were on fine terms with Jews living in their lands as long as the Jews accepted submission. Since Zionism implies non-submission, on lands that were once under Muslim control, they're furious.

    Seems that they have the same problem with Christians in Europe. The Muslims were once contenders there and are driven back. They are humiliated, defeated and ashamed.

    I understand that emotion well. But if it's us or them, I choose us.

    If by 'them' you mean terrorists then I agree - its us or them. well, actually only some-of-us or them. I have no use for terrorists either. They're murderous dorks. Unfortunatly, the concept of Us or them has been morphed by many boneheads to mean Us (the West) or Them (Islam). and thats just bullshit .

    The problem isn't Muslims. The problem is terrorism.

  12. Some extremely devout religions over here reject technology completely and they are about as likely to take over as the muslims in the middle east.

    What you say has probably always been true, but I can't imagine how we could view them as a threat.

    The extremely devout Muslims don't necessarily reject technology, and yes, I agree that the likelyhood of re-establishing a Caliphate is about as likely as 8-20 conspirators pulling off the Sept 11 2001 conspiracy.

    But that is neither here nor there. The fact is that Osama et al, in thier religiously soaked-western porn hating minds think God will intervene on thier behalf. Not an unusual belief amongst the devout. Even you agree that those who worship Lucifer are acting on his behalf to take over the world - in fact its the core of your conspiracy. You find that to be an understandable motivation. You don't doubt it, nor do you question their motivation.

    Why then the doubt about some folks wanting to re-establish a Caliphate and taking steps towards that end?

    Are only Luciferians capable of intricate planning?

    The threat is not the pie-in-the-sky idea of a re-established Caliphate. The threat is the willingness of some to kill to achieve thier ends.

    Of course, to you, No non-Luciferian worshipper is capable of these things. Because, I guess, Lucifer worshipping Illuminati types have an ace up thier sleeves: Black Magic.

  13. Its hard to imagine how it [a Caliphate] would be practically implemented - Arabs are not known for their nuclear submarines.

    Yes, Polly, it is very hard for you to imagine. Remember the Caliphate existed in various forms from the 7th century right up to the end of WWI. The Caliphate, up to the 1500's was the 'Golden Age' of Islamic civilization...and those crazy Islamists established it without any knowledge whatsoever of the construction and use of Nuclear submarines.

    Is it surprising that some extrememly devout Muslims would like to return to the age of the Caliphs? The good ol days when Islam was respected and feared by the West?

    I understand, the whole concept isn't dealt with on Youtube or Rense.com or Hawks cafe.

  14. Nonsense.....Canada had nukes until at least 1984 (Genie AIR-2).....being very coy to claim that they were on American bases in Canada. I know this from personal experience. Nice try anyway.....

    true, the RCAF had nukes for air defense purposes, certainly not talked about for fear of the horrendous political brouha that woud've probably resulted if they did talk about it....but then thats neither here nor there in the point trying to be made: Appeasement has its uses along with sabre-rattling. The fact that a nation may/does have nukes doesnot obviate the use of appeasement as diplomatic tool as MadMike has pointed out.

    I do agree that Canada is definately a two-faced nation when it comes to foriegn policy or even internal policy.

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