Eldrick Woods

Yes it did. But guess what. here's the full story. We can go through each point in the movie and it will shredded to pieces. I guarantee. This isn't California Court doubt doesn't apply here. This is science. I'm not sure what the gun registry has to do with this debate, but I can see why you find this video so compelling it too is filled with erroneaus references that have no place in the story. And BTW 100% YES The reputation of the scientist is important in this case because many of the 'scientists' in this video have not produced a peer reviewed paper on Global warming. We have nothing else to go on! You asked for it. http://icebubbles.ucsd.edu/Publications/CaillonTermIII.pdf Good luck.

Yes the facts are generally meaningless to those who are easily duped. Correction. misleading facts are meaningless to which you're the standard. I said it earlier. Increased scrutiny would happen once this crockumentary took hold. Guess what. it's already happening. HAHA. Among of few notes. Old Data, Old Graphs, Incomplete Graphs, Incomplete explanations. The Great Global Warming Swindle is a complete crock. Now that all the 'facts' have be shredded all you have is hyperbole. I'm a bit surprised at how fast it happened. And how easy it was. LOL The truth will prevail. It always does.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. This statement like everything else you say is meaningless.

I've been away a few days and I've done so much reading and research my eye balls are fried. I'm not participating anymore. This isn't a debate about science or saving he planet or truth. It's the same discussion being held on political shows. There's no point people will believe what they want to believe. The fact is it's very difficult for the avg person to understand all the science around GW. Makes it easy for a PR machine that represents The largest CO2 emitters to create a debate. Now the facts are the vast majority of peer reviewed papers on GW support the CO2 fact. The globe is warming and we're very likely responsible. I've gone through every expert on this video. Some I couldn't find much info on. All have not published a peer reviewed paper on GW in the last 10 years. I'm not sure how you can claim to be an expert, but I digress. Judging from this board, it appears like the tobacco companies the well funded energy machine is creating a ton of noise. The difference is it was obvious to everyone that smoking caused cancer. Just a side not on one of the 'scientist' Fred Singer in the documentary, he denied second hand smoke caused lung cancer in the past and still denies it. If you want get into the corner with this guy on the GW issue. all the power to you. Anyway. I'm going with the scientists who have spent their lives studying it.

Not really it's only seen by about 15k people. it's a relative blip on the radar. I'm sure it will get more play. The problem with more exposure is more scrutiny. We'll see if it holds up. "insanely left wing world" LOL. Some of the stuff that gets posted here. Those darn lefties. with their clean air and conservation ideas. Communists! hehe Cheers

Good so it's clear I said this at the beginning it's big on hyperbole and grand claims. I was shot down for not watching the movie. The movie is filled with fluff. Ok I think you're being a little over dramatic. This is hardly the Nazi-Germany and/or the Inquisition. No need to get crazy. We're adults. This reminds me of the Cancer debates. There are people who believe there's a cure for cancer and it's being bottled up by the corporations. To ensure a profitable health care system. After all, treating Cancer is BIG BIG money. Do you really think such a secret can exist? No way. There's too many people involved something will be leaked. If there's a 'secret' about global warming being suppressed. The 'smoking gun' if you will, It would be leaked? An internal memo instructing these scientist to follow course would make it's way into the news. Like the memos from ICE and tobacco companies in the past. Until there's evidence of foul play you can't claim foul play. And those anecdotal accounts are not evidence they are hearsay. I'm looking into the CO2 rise following the Temperature rise point........

HAHA You're not dealing with an amateur nice try. Debating 101. The first problem is we haven't confirmed whether the Co2 rise followed the temperature rise. It was a claim in the movie but I haven't read a peer reviewed paper on this. Again. I'm not denying or confirming at this time. I'm doing my research. Here's an example or your strategy. Let's say we're debating the merits of gravity. And I say. Well If I find an Object that doesn't fall to the earth that means there's a problem with the law of gravity? True or False? Of course the answer is true but you haven't found that object. Therefore, both the question and answer are pointless.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I'm assuming this is an innocent mistake. 1) This is not by the BBC 2) Some of the facts have been very loosely presented. 3) The Director has a shady past of misrepresenting facts and footage used in his 'documentarys' Carl Wunsch appeared in the film here's his story. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/sto...2031455,00.html Don't believe everything you watch!!! Do your own research including the motives of some of the people who appear in this film. It doesn't take much. Most of them are associated with some very right-wing lobby groups. Who happen to get funding from Exxon Mobil and other energy corps. Just a thought. Cheers I've done some research and there's over 17000 scientists documented around the world who have spoken out to date. I've seen some of this evidence before and I think this is pretty well put together. One of the scientists in the film admitted to having been paid by an energy company but I know that Richard Lindsen of MIT is a legit scientist and he was on the IPCC. Dave Rutherford also had another scientist from UVic here in Canada that is on the IPCC and he was talking about the implications of sunspots on climate change and how it affected the "global cooling scare" of the 1970s. This is all in the video but it's elsewhere too, and I think that's what these people are trying to say is that the body of science is wider than what is being presented by socialist lobby groups. The alarmism is overkill. After the interview with the UVic scientist I went and did some looking around for information on this subject and I found a growing consensus that this is indeed happening. Nobody is saying that CO2 doesn't have any impact but that it's a very minute impact compared to the effect of the sun on climate. I've also seen an argument that the CO2 being released by the burning of fossil fuels is simply the re-releasing of CO2 into the atmosphere that was absorbed by plants millions of years ago while those plants were alive. This makes sense because matter isn't created or destroyed but absorbed and released by the earths ecosystems. The carbon in the fossil fuels came from somewhere and it's quite possible that it came from the atmosphere. Thanks for the post. I agree 100% the alarmist are coming on strong. But they're fighting a very strong misinformation campaign by energy companies. Which is not a theory it's a fact. They're ( Energy Companies ) fighting and with good reason. Can you imagine a world without fossil fuels? Can you imagine Exxon, Shell, BP? Without fossil fuels? The knee jerk reaction is part of the history. We all know what happened when tobacco companies started to feel threatened. In spite of all the evidence they convinced people smoking was not harmful. I admit, there are extremes on both sides. But this video... come on. It's so ..... Well, I'm lost for words. Amzign I know.

Well I see you've done your reseach on the science of smear. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...2-25717,00.html No where does Carl Wunsch say CO2 causes global warming nor does that seem to be his field anyway. Whether he likes it or not he was not there to prove anything, but only to speak about oceans and their part in CO2. Carl Wunsch makes it very clear. He believes humans are "likely" responsible for Global Warming. I quoted likely for a reason. There's no way to be absolute about the climate on the earth ( parts of the earth are still a huge mystery to us ) all we can do is analyze the evidence and make sound conclusions, but we also can't dismiss the notion that we have an impact. Certainly not after watching this piece of trash. If the evidence was so sound! Why not just do a presentation and film it like Gore? Why all the glitter and anecdotal claims about corruption and greed? All you need to do is put together a slide show. Don't even mention Co2. Make a 90 presentation about sun spots and weather data etc. Put the facts our there in plain view. from start to finish. Make your case. What makes me skeptical of this movie is the amount of anecdotal accounts it should raise a flag.

Wow. Are we watching the same film. This Video is NOT claiming there are 'other ideas' and trying to present them in fair way. There's a very clear agenda. - Co2 is not the cause of global warming - Man is in no way responsible for Global Warming - The Co2 "theory" is a conspiracy of communist and money hungry scientist trying to fund themselves If you want to make documentary about alternative views on the subject then do so. But I watched this piece of propaganda and of the roughly 75 minutes. 55 of minutes is dedicated to opinions and speculation about everything from the mass conspiracy to the leftist organizations trying to hold us down to anecdotal stories about every thing the from sun spots to scientist who won't speak out of fear for their jobs. Mysteriously, no one mentions a name. The claim - "I know a few personally". Sure you do. I can say that too. Anyone can say that BS. It doesn't mean it's true. The whole Prime Minister Thatcher portion LMAO!!!! Man. It's pasted together rather poorly I might add. You can say what you want about Gore's film. at least, It's not excerpts from interviews edited and patched together. Gore's film is a presentation put to film. From start to finish. Builds his case and presents his conclusions. He gets a little out of hand at the categorical declarations or doom and gloom, but all in all it's what you expect from a documentary. "The Global Warming Swindle" on the other hand is slick marketing and nothing more. This is not just a caring citizen trying to bring out the truth. Listen to music and look at the camera angles used. It's marketing and manipulation 101. I have no doubt there's some well meaning people in the video. And some make good scientific arguments but that's a very small portion of this crockumentary. It makes Michael Moore look like a professor.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. I'm assuming this is an innocent mistake. 1) This is not by the BBC 2) Some of the facts have been very loosely presented. 3) The Director has a shady past of misrepresenting facts and footage used in his 'documentarys' Carl Wunsch appeared in the film here's his story. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/sto...2031455,00.html Don't believe everything you watch!!! Do your own research including the motives of some of the people who appear in this film. It doesn't take much. Most of them are associated with some very right-wing lobby groups. Who happen to get funding from Exxon Mobil and other energy corps. Just a thought. Cheers

Not really. It's been cold here too South Western Ontario as well. The one thing that annoys me is I get the feeling people are choosing sides on the GW issue based on political loyalty. I realize that statement is somewhat anecdotal considering my sample size, but i think you'd agree in political circles this is certainly the case. Not to this extent. I know there's a few scientists and people with strong resumes representing a different view. However. One of the best is Carl Wunsch. This is the most reasonable analysis of Global Warming I've read. I'm not into the hype. I like Gore's movie but he stretches the limits as do many on both sides. Here's his take from last year. http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=4688&tip=1 Read the last paragraph.

These mooks at the IPCC are not to be trusted. ANYONE who tries to shut up alternative opinions a la David Suzuki is an econazi. There's nothing wrong with an opinion. There's a million of them. Opinions disguised as facts are my problem. This is history repeating itself. The energy companies have a ton to lose here. They're not prepared for a world without fossil fuels. It's in THEIR interest People like you question the affects of global warming. It's a PR campaign. In HS. I wrote a paper and convinced 8 of the 30 students in my class that the holocaust was fictional. It was based on Hyperbole and Theory. Very few facts. it was historically inaccurate but the correct story teller can convince you of anything. The energy companies have launched a massive campaign to stop this threat to their business. Just understand what you're reading. This notion that these scientist are creating a problem to get some funding is foolish. There's way more money in attempting to prove GW is a hoax. Follow the money!

Except when, if there wasn't a problem, the "science" and thus the "scientist" wouldn't be funded. That creates a lot of pressure to find a problem to solve. There's lots of money to be made in finding a "crisis" hear, even though it has the look and feel of a science fictio novel. Which is perhaps why Michael Chrichton, a sci-fi writer himself, recognizes "man-made global warming" as fantasy. There's a whole lot more money for energy companies to make if we continue down th fossil fuel road. Which source do you trust? The Scientist claiming GW is a man made problem and needs to be addressed by creating cleaner burning fuels and more energy efficient products? OR the energy companies saying. There's no such thing as GW. Let's just keep doing what we're doing. We need to make that 100 trillion dollars!!!! What about our stock holders?? doesn't anyone care about them?

At least Canada (over your opposition) believes that people can recover from depression, or at least its conservatives do. Better than the way compassionate lefties (link) </ sarcasm> treat their own when they've had issues. Can you keep the Fox News left vs right BS out of this. I'm taking a stand I refuse to let my country get drawn into this f&&king stupid ideological insultfest. where nothing gets solved and good ideas are lost because sarcasm rules the day. Lefties? What are you some kind of cheap version of Ann Coulter?

This is about the worst comment I've ever read. Sounds like Ann Coulter to be honest.

Finally an interesting Political Board. Here's my dollar fifty. 1) I'm not sure why there's a debate on whether the earth is warming. It is. It's really not an opinion. It's either warming or it's not. We have ways of measuring it. And it's warming. 2) The term Global Warming has been taken in some circles to mean. Well The earth is warming that means everyone will have Caribbean weather at some point. That's possibly true. That would make this planet uninhabitable in locations. The idea is that the warmer temperatures will melt the land based ice on Greenland and Antarctica. There will still be cold weather on parts of the planet 3) Co2 IS causing the warming the correlation is stunning. But you can ignore if you wish. After all the effects of this won't effect you or your kids. But future generations might be a little pissed. 4) Kyoto is a fraud. Plain and simple. 5) The great Global Warming Swindle is a viral marketing fraud. It's crockumentary. There's very little facts involved it's all hyperbole and theory. If you don't understand the science of Global Warming. You're likely to grab on to this. If you look at it with an open mind as I have. You'll see this. Just clock how much time is actually spent on perceived facts. It's 90% hyperbole and theory. 6) Not everything in Gore's movie is a fact. The facts turn to theory when he starts anticipating what will happen when the land based ice plates on Greenland or Antarctica melt. We're not exactly sure what happens. But all the information about the core drilling and samples from the past are indeed facts. Those ice bubbles are like tiny time capsules. They're reliable. 7) C02 levels have climbed in sequence with the industrial revolution. And will get worse once China and India start theirs. Who knows what will happen. I'm not sure why everyone is so dead set against cleaning up our environment. If everyone used 30% less electricity that would make a huge difference. What do we have to lose? I use to drive an SUV it's not that nice. It's slow, handles like crap and gets dinged at the mall because it takes up so much parking space. I prefer my sports sedan. Cheers