[Un And France - In Bed Again]

The UN and France, both of whom raped Iraq during the 1990's while thousands perished, are now kissing and fondling again. Both want an immediate return to Iraqi control all functions of gov't, and security.

To say this is crass, childish and unnecessary is obvious.

Why then do they state it and what is behind this policy ? After all, neither the UN nor France gave a whittler's damn about the Iraqi people during the 1990s while they were tortured and murdered. Why the sudden sentiment and concern ??

NO, they want a quick return of control to Iraqis. NOT IMMEDIATE. BIG DIFFERENCE. It appalls me how Craig twists everything, including the english lanaguge to suit his biased cases.

Neither did the US. Your point?

[Is America In It's Final Days?]

Superior in what sense? We've already established that the legionnare is a superior overall weapon.

They both had different functions, OBVIOUSLY.

The elephant was used in battle because of its immense size and great strength. When the Romans encountered the elephants of Pyrrhus “some (Romans) were killed by the men in the towers on the elephants’ backs, and others by the beasts themselves, which destroyed many with their trunks and tusks and crushed and trampled under foot many more (Zonaras VIII, 3).” Aelian recorded Ctesias as saying that he has seen “date-palms completely uprooted by elephants.”6 Also, Mago’s elephants “trampled to death twenty-two sons of nobles serving in the Roman cavalry (Livy XXX, 18).” Once one of Scipio’s wounded elephants was “crushing a sutler underfoot when a veteran in Caesar’s army distracted the beast which then lifted him in the air with its trunk; whereupon the soldier kept hacking at the trunk with his sword until pain caused the beast to drop him

War Elephants

War elephants somewhat effective aganist Roman armies.

The elephant was a serious fighting machine in antiquity. Elephants could (and often did) almost solely determine the course of battle. After Antiochas had won an elephant-victory over the terrified Gauls, he wept and called out, “Shame my men, whose salvation came through these sixteen beasts. If the novelty of their appearance had not struck the enemy with panic, where should we have been?”9 Had Antiochas not possessed his sixteen elephants, he might well have lost the battle.

HMMMM

Actually a few of Hannibal's elephants did fight in a battle or two.

In fact, most of the 34 elephants he started with died during the mountain passage or during the severe winter that followed. The last few died after the battle of Trebbia, leaving only one (Serus?) to carry Hannibal through the Etrurian marshes.

War elephants weren't superior weapons

When faced aganist infantry and cavalary not specificially trained and armed aganist them, it often became a rout.

[Terminator As Governor/saviour ?]

KK, I see your point, and under other conditions, I would agree with you, but with the largest debt in the nation, large unemployment, many minority issues, and major economic downturn, I cannot agree. There is simply too much to risk on 4 years with a green politican. Perhaps if the risks were smaller, and the time more forgiving, but I simply see that the risks of another 4 years (or is it 2?) with a green is asking for disaster.

I really can't believe the brought up that crap Nazi thing. Seriously people, with someone who has tried to stamp out intolerance, a NAZI? For crying out loud, please get something better. No one in the race has Davis's mug slinging abilities.

leftwinger: Please, the right is making itself look like a fool by supporting Craig Reed. Please do not make yourself a left-wing Craig Reed. I'm begging here.

[Islam Is A Failure]

Provide evidence to contradict the thesis that the totality of Islam is successful.

Why should I? It never worked before. You simply disgard the evidence or say that the source, even if the rest of the logical world respects it, is false. Or you simply just ignore it and say I never post any evidence.

As always your posts are so educational.

As your posts are always to hateful, intolerant, pro-oblivion, and anti-peace. I have no problems seeing you banned.

The purpose of such a system of belief should be not only spiritual succour but life NOW not only when they die and get 72 virgins

Because the beliefs of 1/10,200 of the overall muslim population applies to the rest of the 10,199/10,200 people ? Have you ever spoken with anyone from that area?

My post, was to give you two options: Answer that it, the pure religion was failing and look like a complete idiot, or answer that it isn't failing and contridict yourself.

[Is America In It's Final Days?]

How about "better" as in "how well it does the job it was designed for"? As in, "an M16 is better than an AK-47" - remember that one?

Um, US troops prefered the AK for numerous reasons even when they had use of the M16. They prefered its stopping power, reliability (it's not a uzi, but it's got better reliability then the 16), ability to fire many type of ammo, and ease of obtaining. But let's just forget that as well?

The War elephant and Legionnaire were obviously use for different things. However, when a war elephant stomps/tramples legionnares, it obviously has a advantage. Yes, a War elephant cannot patrol or search house to house, but a legionnare cannot stomp or trample infantry by the dozens.

What, like the Big Red One (US Army 1st Infantry Division)? Of course - but the fact remains that in its day, the legion was the superior "weapon".

Yes it was a superior weapon overall, but when faced aganist a unit of war elephants, they are inferior.

FastNed: Tell Craig to stop his lying, fabrications, sweeping generalized insults and otherwise actions that Greg has already warned him about. Then come talk to me.

[Terminator As Governor/saviour ?]

LOL. Your attempts to make yourself look like the victim are horrible. If you bothered to put the amount of effort that normally goes into your intolerant posts, perhaps you could have some resembalance of a victim, until then, stop trying.

I have no idea why you post. You state nothing. You add nothing. What is the purpose of this post ?

If your opinion, anyone who does not follow your beliefs is morally wrong and automatically immoral.

The purpose of the post was to show your idiocy is comparing slander to political history that one lacks. Obviously, you cannot see that.

This thread is about Arnold being elected Gov in Cali. Are you adding anything to this thread or just slandering me to hear yourself ?

I'm disagreeing with you that he would be a good candidiate due to his severe lack of any and all political experience.

You are the king of useless and hateful slander.

[Terminator As Governor/saviour ?]

Well then i suggest you know your topics before posting. You are not adding value just slander with arm waving and shouts that I and others are stupid. This is childish.

Practice what you preace. Then talk to me.

Such as his non-existance political expierence?

It's far too interesting how you think clear observations ANYONE can make when examing Arnold's political history is slander.

You are the one who throws hundreds of mindless anti-liberal, anti-progress, pro-genocide, pro-oblivion, anti-tolerance, anti-peace, pro-fear, pro-hate, pro-intolerance, anti-freedom, anti-logic, PURE LIES, and fabrications around.

Don't even try to take the higher ground from that deep swamp of immurity and hate that you are so deeply sunken into.

Every one here can read the hundreds of posts that you preach hate and intolerance.

Just shutup.

Remember, you got warned with the threat of a ban. Not me.

[Iraq And Wmd's]

my whole point is that to think that the US is completely without any blame is ludicrious.

[Abortion Debate]

and latin is dead

[Is America In It's Final Days?]

Regardless, you are wrong anyway, since just because a weapon fails to win a battle or a war does not mean that it is not the best available.

When a weapon can utterly stomp an other into oblivion it is inferior?

However, we need to define better in what sense. Better in attrition wars? better in training? Better in overall combat? better at sea battle?

Yes, a legionare is better at sea, training and attrition, but in a certain battle(s), when faced aganist something that can better adapt or has a signifigent advantage, it will take a inferior stance.

My question is (which you people will probably answer strangely) does one thing apply to everything else that is shares something with?

[Iraq And Wmd's]

I have no idea what he rants on about KK. Vile, spite, stupidity. Best to ignore it. To people like that guy, freedom has meaning, history no lessons, pre-emption no cause.

Because you are blind to your own ignorance and your own hate.

Everyone here has seen hundreds of your vile, spiteful, hateful, intolerant posts clammoring for severe change that will hamper and harm the world. Do not even try to hide that.

STOP LYING. Fricking stop. I was the one, in a thread, KK asked me to write, who argued that without a understanding of the past, the fundemental causes and beliefs, this war will never end. Unless you'd like to change the past and edit the archives, STFU.

Freedom in your mind is genocide of all people who dissent from your views.

Pre-emptiveness with no evidence, pre-emptiveness to move the mind of the public from their wallets to a war, pre-emptivenss to get re-elected, that I do not condone.

Apparently you do.

[Iraq And Wmd's]

I would like to point out that there are people for whatever reason who desire to kill us in the most painful manner possible.

There are always people like in both sides. In America there are people who condone genocide of all Muslims (a few of the right-wingers were represente that view), and some that would like to see many of them die a horrible death. Likewise, that attidue exists in the middle east.

I would argue that my family's safety immediately is of more concern to me than any terrorist's feelings and for that matter any other nation or person on the face of the planet.

Of course, but do you want to live in fear your WHOLE LIFE? Changing their attitudes will ultimately change the problem, and in a good dirction, get rid of the fear.

Once we have safeguarded that then by all means let's address misunderstandings, injustices and so on and forth

Then we will be safeguarding forever. For every defense, there is a way to circumvent it. For every barrier, there is an achilles heel. I do not want to live in fear forever. I'm sure you do not want to do the same.

Craig believes that 9/11 is completely not America's fault. He believes that America has done no wrong to anyone. Thus, he thinks we should get rid of all muslims states and all muslim people. Right....because have genocide on our records is always a good thing. 9/11 is heavily America's fault for many reasons. The amount of damage and hate we have caused over there, the inability to rectifiy that hate before it happened, the ignorance to their cultural beliefs. If we fricking paid ANY attention, we wouldn't have this problem.

[Btw Craig, Clark Did Push For Troops]

No. So i assume you agree with my argument that I made.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm beginging to think that you are dillusional.

Thanks for quoting what I quoted.

Um...you do understand WHY?

Did it disagree with the source I quoted

No, it disagreed with you, and most of the quotes are from your post on what you typed, not what you quoted. Cherry picking and selective reading along with fabrication, are those your majors you recieved in college?

I really don't understand why you post the things you do - you make no contributions

You are dilluisional.

Brilliant. Well done. Now cite reasons, sources and the rationale for this.

And have no ability to pick up on sarcasm.

However, you did prove something, that when you cannot admit that you are wrong, you simply regressive to 5th grade insults and ignorance.

[Is America In It's Final Days?]

They were not destroyed by elephants, either, they were destroyed because their original strengths were forgotten and the politicians in Rome did not fund them adequately or have the will to use them properly anymore

You're missing the point. He earlier said that Rome, like the US had all the best weapons. During several battles in Africa, Roman legions were trampled and annihilated by War elephants. They did not have the best weapons.

The Roman navy was sometimes weak but after Rome controlled the entire Meditteranean coast there was not much call for a large fleet.

After they produced a navy centered around boarding ships, their fleet became the strongest in the Meditteranean, however, before that, their navy was seriously lacking in comparsion to the Carthagians.

By all means, make historical comparisons, but let's keep them accurate or the conclusions we draw will be incorrect.

By all means, read the question and answer before you comment on either.

Craig Read, like his usual self, misses the point as well.

Rome was not destroyed by war elephants

No one ever said that. I simply said legionniaire were destroyed by war elephants on several occasions. going to selectively read and fabricate what I said like you always do craig?

Rome was going to fall, just like the US and every other nation in this world.

[Iraq And Wmd's]

Yay, craig shows his ignorace again!

RS, the liberals view the US as the ENEMY. In their world view, any dominant power is bad, nefarious, corrupt and greedy. Any society that is wealthy is perforce morally crippled. Any nation that supports the freedom of 35 countries directly through its money, defence systems and markets is ergo an evil empire.

NO, Liberals view US foriegn policy and acts of aggression as the enemy, not the country. It's always amuzing how you leave out the horrible things America has done.

These apologists praised the Soviet Union as it murdered 35 million people,

Because EVERY LIBERAL IS THE SAME! Every conservative is the same! Thus everyone thinks in one of two IDENTICAL thought patterns. Stop with the sweeping generalizations that don't apply to anyone.

They don't understand the basic premises of US power, its constitution, the morality that the US displays in its dealings with lesser powers, and the fact that the US is the most active contributor to UN and other international agencies that give relief to millions of poor the world over.

That's bull. The US consitution and its "all men were created equal" was written by SLAVE HOLDERS. WHAT MORALITY? The US seeks to exploit other countries for its self interest, just as other countries do to everyone else. Just as the US exploits markets around the world, such as china, mexico does the same to the US. We HAVE NO morality with other countries. How about Belgium Congo? King LEOPOLD's skeleton the size of a brontosaurus that we helped create and hide? That was moral and ethical too right?

Lovely contridiction you just made there. You HATE the Un, think it should be either abolished or massively reformed, yet praise the US for giving to it. You call me a hypocrite when you are the supreme example of it.

These general depictions are wrong, meaningless, and filled with hate and spite. They say more about the authors than the intended target. Something as significant as 9-11 totally escapes their capacity of comprehension.

Yes, there wrong because Craig doesn't like anything that doesn't share his views! You have posted far more hateful and spiteful posts then most of Europe combined.

You miss the fundemental basis of 9/11 yourself. You shouldn't be talking.

[Terminator As Governor/saviour ?]

Craig Read: You've got to stop lying. Greg already warned you that contiuned actions like your previous ones will get you banned.

You contradict yourself, you are very funny.

I can contridict my support of isolationism that I NEVER SUPPORTED. I can contridict something I NEVER SAID. Stop lying.

As for SK no it can't defend itself. Ask a SK that question. There is a reason why the SK gov't has US military defending it.

Ask a ROK officers. He'll tell you they can. However, he won't say they won't escape unscathed. The US forces in the area are negliable. A removal of 37,000 troops will see no change in the entire defensive structure of the ROK. The US has very, very, very little military assets in SK.

Clinton was wrong not to confront terror more forcefully in the 90s. As many of my Posts outline he wanted to be considered a peace maker not a war mongerer.

Perhaps, but history has seen warmongeres who fail are scorned with more fury then a angry woman. Which would you rather be, a peace maker or a war monger?

Candor is good, Eves should have watched Arnie more carefully perhaps

Such as his non-existance political expierence?

[The Only Two Days That Matter In The Future]

Ethics and real morals have left the stag of the world long ago.

[Btw Craig, Clark Did Push For Troops]

Facts are inconvenient things.

And you ignore them as much as possible.

It's amazing how many soruces you will declare useless and false when you refuse to admit you are wrong.

Clark by the way was fired as NATO commander.

Thanks to clinton. Wait that's something you like, but it';s by clinton, is your head exploding right now?

Because no one likes working with him, and his ideas on military campaiging are basically wrong.

Because EVERYONE thinks the same way Craig thinks!

You don't win wars bombing civilians from 30.000 feet.

His military credentials are a sham.

because all the instructors at West point are stupid! West point is stupid! We don't need it!

Let's ignore that his hands were tied and he had no choice. Thus the next time someone does something and they had no choice, you will blame them anyway?

But Chevy Nova, don't let reality get in the way or your pre-determined viewpoints.

Everytime you say something like this, the facts that you cherry pick, ignore the other evidence, and down right start name calling get embedded in everyone's mind here deeper. Every time.

[Is America In It's Final Days?]

As many cultures do, it experienced a Golden age and then slowly declined till it was over-run by barbarians and the sort.

Such as the internal conflicts that run strange parelelles today?

. All of armed forces have the latest in weapons, and our taught the newest of strategies.

Rome's Legionnares were destroyed by war elephants. Their navy was weak during several wars.

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that I am living in the Golden Age of this great nation. Yet, I am fearful that this society is soon to peak. While reaching the top of the mountain is great, the only direction to go after you reach the summit is down.

You mean the end of the golden age. That ended around 2000. 8 years of the best economic prosperity the world has ever seen, great cultural achievements, and no longer term wars. That's all going down the tubes at the moment

greedy politicans hoping to acquire votes have turned America into a pure democracy...This is a terrible occurance that should disgust every single American. Yet, the majority stands silent. Elie Weisel once stated, "Silence is tancent consent", indeed he was a very wise man. The majority is consenting to losing their say in gevernment. Why? The majority (by majority I am referring to any of the following:white, middle class, hetrosexual, or the rich) are fearful of appearing racist or hateful. So now, the biggest dog has a muzzle and the smaller dog rules the yard.

Where do you live and where did you go to school? Deep racist, confederate South?

When the minorities of America have wiped away the last of the mjority resistance, they will continue pilagaing our freedoms till there are none left.

Right because it wasn't a black person who got the UC system to disband their use of AA!

Did you go to school in a extremist religion, pro-rewriting history with much bias aganist non-whites?

[The "gay Gene"]

Sorry, It you quoted Ned. my bad

I was like, "WTF, i never talk about child abuse anywhere."

I'll try not to do it again

[Iraq Is On Track]

However your basic idea that the US people are not behind the rebuilding of Iraq is wrong.

Likewise as your idea that people are for pre-emptive war on false evidence.

oe and Jane six pack has a more intuitive and realistic assessment of what must be done than the Liberal gad fly's at Harvard .

Then you're one of the few people who believe with terrible education, a joke for popular culture, dumbed down newspapers, and little knowledge of the world gives someone a better realistic assessment of what must be done then one who has studied under the best professors in the world, who has more resources avaliable then the average US agency, who are some of the brightest people in the world, who have been hand picked to lead the world.

I don't understand how you can trash some of the best higher learning instutions on the world. According to your belief, the Ivys, Oxford, Amherst, and a whole slew of the most sought after schools are simply piles of garbage.

If that doesn't show your complete hypocricasy nothing does.

Some Iraqis know that they are getting a precious gift and are grateful. Others are snobish and don't know any better.

Perfect uneducated, arrogant western opinion with NO influence or touch with ANY middle easterner. Pathetic.

[The Only Two Days That Matter In The Future]

That's ok. You don't need to apologize.

Just practice what you preach. I find it amusing that the Chinese are laughing at the US about not practicing what they peach.

Communists are laughing at us for not donig what we preach!

[The Only Two Days That Matter In The Future]

Locke, you forgot hypocrite too

If you want to get back at him so bad, give him so much proof against one of his ideas that he can't find anything against it.

I've tried. Believe me, i've tried. He simply responds that the quoted news source should be/is shutdown/stupid/wrong/incompetent/false/moronic/propaganda/drivel....anything but credible and possibly correct, all at the same time saying his links (the few that he does post, opposed to my 50+) are always correct and can never be wrong.

I think Craig has made himself out to be intolerant, hateful, pro-oblivion, anti-dissents, anti-progress person who has never spoken to anyone outside of the Western World.

[Iraq Is On Track]

China needs to get away from the whole, Taiwan thing, then i will be okay with them.

That may take a few hundred years.

Here's a fun new poll:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most Americans now believe the Iraq (news - web sites) war was not worth it, according to CBS News/New York Times poll released on Thursday which showed a sharp fall in public confidence in President Bush (news - web sites)'s ability to handle foreign and economic policy issues.

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The poll found new lows for Bush's foreign policy performance, which garnered just a 44 percent approval rating. Among respondents, 50 percent lacked confidence in his ability to handle an international crisis and 53 percent said they now believed the Iraq war was not worth it.

Bush's overall job approval rating was just above 50 percent, almost back to the level before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and down sharply from his 89 percent approval rating after the attacks, the poll said.

"Landing on the carrier, declaring the conflict over, this Romanesque sort of victory parade, certainly did raise the stakes," historian James T. Smith told CBS News. "And now those expectations are falling because people are seeing that the Iraq situation is not going according to plan."

The poll found most Americans are critical of Bush's ability to handle both foreign and domestic problems, and a majority said the president does not share their priorities.

Just over a year before the Nov. 2004 election, a solid majority, 56 percent, of Americans thought the country was seriously on the wrong track, the poll found.

The nationwide telephone poll of 981 adults has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points and was taken from Sunday through Wednesday.

Fifty six percent of Americans lacked confidence in the president's economic decision-making, compared with four months ago when 54 percent voiced confidence, the poll found.

Eyeing the presidential election, voters were split 44 percent to 44 percent between Bush and an unnamed Democratic opponent. But respondents by a 50 percent to 35 percent margin believed Bush would be re-elected.

Almost two-thirds of Americans viewed Bush as a strong leader, but the majority felt his leadership was not focused on priorities that mattered to them.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../bush_poll_dc_6

[The Only Two Days That Matter In The Future]

Granted what the things of Reed's I've read are pesimistic, but he does have a valid view. At the same time Nova, you also have a point (please don't bite my head off). So can we stop name-calling like children and start talking about politics?

ME? You should have been here for the past two weeks to see Craig lie his butt off, make complete fabrications then say we said them, throw sweeping generalizations that really didn't apply to anyone.

It got so bad that the Admin had to give Craig a choice: Stop his current childish antics or get banned.

Greg (the admin) deleted my post detailing my greviances aganist Craig. He lies ALOT. He'll say you did said something that doesn't even follow your previous patterns and is nowhere in any of the threads.

Nova, stop being a liberal and debate. Topic headings offend ? Ah boo hoo hoo. As opposed to the heading of this thread 'Killing Arafat" by Chevy Nova. Great title boys - brought tears to my eyes.

Stop promoting the road to oblivion. Every time I post an link or article, you say I never provide any proof. Every refutation that is proven, you simply ignore.

it also seems to think that the majority of the rest of the world thinks the same way you do, and that everyone else who dissents is obviously wrong.

Libbies, some concepts. You take the point and refute it with evidence and with facts, not emotional flights of fantasy.

See, my point has been proven.

You actually READ others ideas. You TRY to counter them. When you are wrong you say so. When you disagree you can say so.

Comming from you, who selectivly reads posts, refuses to acknolwdge any links or articles or any non-extremist right-wing supporting evidence, who cherry picks his own articles, thinks that all respectable news sources he disagrees with are scum, avoids refuting or even touching the subject, refuses to say when he is wrong when all the evidence points to it, and throws mindless, childish insults at people when he knows is wrong and cannot admit it.

Hypocritie.

Another idea - stop the anti-American anti-Jew racism. It means your head is a block and that your thinking processes are clogged

Another of my points has been proven.

You can disagree with US policy based on facts without calling Bush or Americans in general slanderous names.

So who has been calling Clark and all democrats horrible names?

Hypocrite.

and I don't support dumb spending.

Such as cutting taxes and spending $87 BILLION?

Hypocite.

There is that okay dears ? And of course one last point, please keep a box of kleenex at hand.

I will, as long as you keep your dictionary of slanderous, mindless, pathetic, sweeping insults that don't apply to anyone and only prove your inability to see the other side handy.