granny

I know that is false. The gov't (especially a conservative gov't) would never reverse its position on such an important issue because of a few protests. It is not because of the protests. It is because the land surrenders are not valid. Like the surrender for Toronto, it does not contain a valid description of the property, etc. The surrenders were very sloppy! But of course the government is NOT going to go in to negotiations saying that! What you are reading on their site is just their initial negotiating position. Apparently they have progressed beyond that... but since negotiations are ongoing, there is no public announcement yet. However, developers are getting the message, and the Haudenosaunee are certainly all aware of this development!

Is this how Six Nations have peaceful protest? http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/peaceful/myth1.html The vehicles burned were their own, and were used as temporary blockades on roads, rail, etc. . All of this happened in ONE DAY, the day following the OPP raid when they erected the blockades to prevent further attacks. wakeupcall is a tabloid style site with a personal agenda. I would not trust their news reports unless it is a link to the original source: They have falsified a news reports in the past by adding their own line to implicate someone from Six Nations incorrectly.

Saga, you need to get your fact right:This is the federal gov't position as of April 2006: http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/nr/prs/j-a2006/snjsbk_e.html Negotiations have been in progress since April. There have been developments. Tsi is sharing with you that in negotiations, the Haudenosaunee title to the Haldimand Tract has been recognized.

It was the white men who wiped out the buffalo and the fish stocks and the forests ... and sent them to England. Now Canada sends them to the US. It is unfortunate that some Indigenous people are now imitating the white man's methods, but that will evolve over time as they become more skilled. I find it a bit ludicrous that indigenous people are criticized for doing the same thing that white people did for a century, and continue to do wherever they can! I read about an Indigenous community that lived near a defunct mine that was used as a uranium dump. Needless to say, the entire community suffered illness, birth defects, etc. Canada is certainly no paragon of virtue in environmental concerns!

But as you said, she doesn't act except on the advice of her ministers. I can't think of an example in recent years where she has personally used Prerogative on something. www.whitlamdismissal.com is one example where Buckingham Palace may have been involved behind the scenes. I read ... somewhere ... can not find it now ... that there was a case ... might have been Oneida ... not sure ... where the Queen was informed that a treaty was being broken so she intervened and made a new and more specific proclamation to enforce her wishes. I think her intervention at this time is unlikely, so long as the government negotiates in good faith.

It is very doubtful anyone's getting evicted despite your claims to the contrary. You'll just have to accept that. Nor are they likely to be clamoring for a lesser form of citizenship in the Six Nations. I think you probably speak for no one but yourself and that's fine. However, it isn't going to change the fact that the claim is disputed and that negotiations have been going on since the 1990s. You can peacefully protest one subdivision but the land in question are enormous and you can't be everywhere all the time. Homes will be built, roads constructed and municipal, provincial and federal government operations going on unfettered. 500,000 people will eventually be 600,000 people. And they will call themselves Canadians and will not be moving anywhere. I have read that a subdivision, a pipeline and a wind farm development in the Haldimand Tract have been put on hold. Word is getting out that Six Nations has title. Developers would have to be pretty stupid to go ahead at this time, and in the process of government approvals for their projects, I think they will be informed of the risk, since the government itself knows they have ceded title to the Haldimand Tract to Six Nations. Also, I just read in Enskat's thread that it has been revealed that the developers in Caledonia falsified their archaelogical report ... they scraped the land clean of artifacts before the study was done. I hope that message gets out too ... pretty creepy behaviour, and a crime of course, and unfortunately all too common. Of course, the large indigenous settlement that was there for a very long time left deeper artifacts too, which are being studied now.

The gov't argues that Six Nations legally surrendered the Grand River lands a long time ago. Furthermore, even if those lands were acquired unfairly means those lands are not treaty lands since they were a 'gift' by the crown to Six Nations. i.e. the Grand River lands are not the traditional territory of Six Nations - Six Nations people are just another group of settlers on those lands. So when you talk about booting settlers off Six Nations lands you must be referring to yourself - correct? As I understand what Tsi said, he said "the government has already acknowledged our title to the lands". Thus while the government may have initially argued that the surrender was valid, it appears that they now accept that it was not valid, so the title to the Haldimand Tract is Six Nations'. I think it is not accurate to say they were "just another group of settlers". The land was granted by the Queen via a royal proclamation ... the Haldimand Proclamation.

I think they feel that Canada must honour the treaties made with them as sovereign nations ... and they want to return to being sovereign nations. Traditional Indigenous nations do not want to be part of Canada and do not consider themsleves Canadian. They want the land that Canada took from them illegally, and they want proper compensation for the loss of use of their land for almost 200 years. Canada tried to force them to become Canadians, but they do not want that. They have a legal right to live independently on their land with their own form of democratic government, as they did for centuries before Canada existed. Indigenous people are not like immigrants (like us) who chose to come to Canada to become Canadian. They did not come here but they were here because it was their land. They were our allies and helped us become Canada by winning the war of 1812 against the US. Without them, we would be American now. But they never chose to become Canadian.

The OPP attacked them. Until then it was peaceful, and now it is again. They are not trying to threaten anyone, they are just defending themselves and their land and their rights I think. Their treaty gives them the right to be sovereign nations so many of them do not consider themselves Canadians and do not want to be. Canada has treated them rather horribly, taking their land and putting their kids in some pretty horrible abusive schools. They are not very grateful for that First Nations communities receive funds the same way municipalities do ... except they receive a LOT less. I believe their intention has nothing to do with violence ... its just that they want their land back, and they have legal rights that Canada has ignored for a very long time. There is no more violence now ... they are in negotiations with the government for their land.