Figleaf
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... occupying conquered territory is not a violation of international law.
You put that in strange terms, but it's not the topic here anyway.
Claiming ownership of it is iffy, since 'right of conquest' is out of vogue,...That puts it rather too mildly, as I think you know. It's illegal under international law as it stands today. Do I take you to mean, however, that there is no basis for Israel to claim part of the West Bank in a peace settlement?
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Figleaf, in all honesty I didn't think you would find one thing wrong with her rude obnoxious comments.
I didn't read the chain of events, I did a word search on 'asshole'.
Stick to the point: Why did you say she called you an asshole when she did not??
I don't know why you spent so much time on refuting the asshole comment when I plainly stated in my post I realized she didn't specifically call me one...Because I want to know why you said she called you that when she didn't. I hate posters making up crap about eachother that isn't true. It interferes with discussion and taints the whole forum.
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Oh well, it saves the Nobel Committee having to issue one to Hamas.
Alright, that was funny.
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"Man" created God.
"Man" created 'God'.
Touche! How did I miss that one?
Come to think of it, how did both of us miss this one?
"Man" `created` 'God'.
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The Arabs attacked from that land and so put it at risk;
When you say 'Arabs' there, which do you mean? The Arabs whose families had lived in that territory for generations, or the armies of Arab state governments. I think history confirms it was the latter, not the former.
International law is not a suicide pact.?
?Further, it does not restrain actions against non-governmental entities that don't adhere to international law themselves.What support would you offer for that assertion?
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"Man" created God.
"Man" created 'God'.
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Because they were attacked from that land and those who attacked were defeated. You don't get to go back to square one and start over again until you win if you were defeated.
Those of you who hold this view, are you aware that it is contrary to international law? If you are aware, how do you reconcile that position?
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The other opinion is that Khadr is an undesirable who should remain in Guantanamo and be put on trial by US authorities; the government should not intervene, other than to ensure he is treated humanely while in US custody.
If we have an interest in seeing him treated humanely, how would we draw the line that allows him to be incarcerated (at age 15) without trial?
I think Khadr's hate for the west has intensified since his incarceration in Guantanamo. His own father was killed by the US military. He is on record as saying he is more committed now than ever to the cause. If for some reason he is set free, I don't relish the thought of having him on the loose, anywhere. He also has a supportive family waiting for him in this country whose matriarch advocates turning her sons into martyrs (read suicide bombers). Someone will eventually pay the price for what he and his family have been put through. The question is, who might that be?I always thought we lived in a free society, where a person's opinions, no matter what, were permitted. And we only punished someone for their actions and only when those actions were wrongful. So far, Khadr is accused of killing someone in a firefight. The rights and wrongs of that alleged action, in a criminal justice sense, are anything but clear. When he is released, I see no reason to treat him any differently from other Canadian citizens -- judge him by his deeds, he's entitled to his opinions.
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Enough with the hypocrisy Buff. You called me an asshole this morning on another thread,....
Funny the Search function can't turn up any evidence of that.
Care to explain?
I'm sure you'll jump to her defence anyway, but I will show you the post in question:
The only instance of the word 'asshole' I could discern was in post #30 on that page. The specific quote is:
There are Assholes in every group on this planet -...Which is not remotely the same thing as 'calling you' an asshole. So if that is what you were refering to, then you're strangely mistaken.
As for jumping to her defence, your complaint is utterly unfounded, so I'm proud and happy to defend against it.
Upon review, she wasn't referring to me specifically with the term asshole, but it is still against the rules.No, it's not against the rules, although it IS discouraged.
How is it you got the impression she was referng to you? Do you not read the posts you react to?
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Already their money is devaluing and China is getting more powerful economically, militarily and otherwise. Iran, North Korea, Russia; nobody fears the U.S. anymore. What a difference a decade makes.
Decade? No, less than that.
What a difference just one very terrible president can make.
Think bigger figleaf. During Clinton's terms, many U.S. government properties were attacked, and 9/11 was plotted and partially carried out before (the terrorists were already in the U.S.) Bush came to power. As was the first WTC attack.
Same was true before Clinton, going back several decades really. It's not whether you are being attacked that makes you weak, it is how you can deal with it. Bush's bad strategies have reduced American power and influence, and have encouraged US enemies. Bush's loses represent a diminishment in kind, not merely quantity, of US power.
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Enough with the hypocrisy Buff. You called me an asshole this morning on another thread,....
Funny the Search function can't turn up any evidence of that.
Care to explain?
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Would it surprise you that most of Israel's early support came from the Left? It was only with the invention of a "national" group, the Palestinians that left-wing sentiment swung against Israel."Self-hater" is yet another slur invented by the Jewish pro-Israeli right to silence any members of the Jewish community who might disagree with them. Anybody who has followed this business for some time will know that these folks specialize in the sound bite. They have sound bite slurs, sound bite hate claims, sound bite over-simplified historical facts....
No, it was only when Israel obviously became an oppressor in violation of international law.
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I have one simple question about past and future negotiations:
In principle, why should Israel be allowed to keep ANY of the West Bank?
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Secifically, by explaining why a strong Taliban is in Iran's interests now when it was not the case six years ago. Also why Iran's support is more significant than the support the Taliban is getting from our allies in Pakistan.
I would have thought that would be glaringly...nay, startlingly...obvious to even the most obtuse and sedentary armchair general. Do you really have no answer to your own question?
Seemingly you have no answer -- at least none you cared to share in preference to launching peurile slights. Why DO you post here?
Anyway, what is increasingly obvious is that there is a hawkish whispering/media stealth campaign to build Iran into the big villain of the day. The hawks responsible seem to have little sense or sensitivity to the rhymes and reasons of international realities and so their campaign continues to produce such easily puncturable miscues as Iran arming the Taliban, or drug growers in pickup truck amounting to government convoys. The only people who buy into such crap are the ignorant or those ideologically predisposed.
The funny thing is, you'd think it would be enough to paint Iran with things it is really known to do ... detentions without trial, religiously motivated repression, torture of prisoners, intervention in the internal affairs of other countries in the region, ...
Hm... maybe there would be too much irony in criticising them for those things.
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When people come to the realization that the pre-emtive war on terror will in no way at all prevent the next terrorist attack in the mainland USA, it is doomed to fail from the start. And that is the bigger picture I have always been looking at.
Bingo.
The sheer ease with which a terrorist who cares not for escape or his life could kill dozens of people in a spectacular way makes a mockery of the ludicrous ineffectuality of the supposed 'enhanced security' our governments have been playing about with.
Rent a pickup truck, put a barrel or two of gasoline in the back and drive it into a bus or a theatre lobby. Film it all with a cellphone and slap it on YouTube with a jihadist soundtrack and you've struck your blow for Allah! Or poison a civic water supply (which are usually totally unprotected). Or empty a bagful nuts and bolts out of a tall building over a busy street. Or attack a daycare with axes (three workers and a dozen little kids aren't much a challenge if you bring a couple of determined jihadis and have the element of surprise). Or dress up like contractors and pump carbon monoxide into an apartment building or nursing home for a few hours late some winter night.
My point is this ... none of the security measures we've rolled out so far would do anything to prevent such attacks. And they never will. So, why aren't we seeing slaughter such as this on an ongoing basis? If there is nothing stopping our implacable, fanatical, remorseless, suicidal, freedom-hating enemies, why haven't they done these things yet? Answer: Maybe they aren't all they are cracked up to be.
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Already their money is devaluing and China is getting more powerful economically, militarily and otherwise. Iran, North Korea, Russia; nobody fears the U.S. anymore. What a difference a decade makes.
Decade? No, less than that.
What a difference just one very terrible president can make.
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Dion has time to make it work out. Steve and the gang will be held to a minority at best in the next election, so Dion will be safe for the next election, win or loose. If he doesn't get a good showing next election, the Liberals will nevertheless allow him another try.
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Are they all 'self-haters'?
Naw, what they are is trying to fit in with their surroundings. When you're a minority in a country, it's a lot easier to just echo what is being said, even if it's against your own people, then to try to stand up against it.
That doesn't hold water, given the plethora of people who are obvioulsy quite free to stand on the other side of that issue and be as vocal as they please. Indeed, if anything, among Jewish people it is more likely that the opinions expressed by the boycotters will bring them vilification than full-on support for Israel would.
No, it seems much more likely that they are reflective people whose consciences direct their choices, rather than prejudices, partisanship or peer pressure. Good, wise people who I applaud.
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I can't wait for Michael Bluth to give us the scoop on this from inside the CPC. Is Steve responsible, or is it some jumped-up underlings?
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I find it frankly horrifying that a majority of people in the world's supposed leading liberal democracy can be so devoid of reason.
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You don't appear to understand his argument. He is not saying Y is good. He is saying Y is troublesome, and X is catastrophic (and includes all the troube of Y plus more misery).
X being catastrophic is not a rational justification for Y (which is less catastrophic).
Why on Earth not? Your choice is between terrible and merely bad. Unless you can convincingly assign some probabilities to one outcome or the other, acting to avoid the worst is rational.
Comparative merit.The other proposal has to have merit in of itself.Not really. Take two random outcomes that I'll pick kind of like he did... killing 100 babies or just 50. Obviously killing 50 is comparatively better. Is that the morally correct choice then? That horror of killing 100 babies justifies me killing 50?
If the defined consequence of not killing 50 babies is that 100 babies are killed, then as horrible as the choice is, it seems to me that it is better that 50 die rather than 100.
It's a logical fallacy, completely invalid argument. It's called denying the conjunct...This argument does not fall into that fallacy. The fallacy requires that double conditions fail to exclude eachother, however in this case they are sufficiently distinct. Nice try though.
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Why are you importing such references? I have no interest in indulging your anti-semitic urges.... the Jews, huh? -
At some point, when your urge to contradict reason and good sense overwhelms you, I predict you will indeed claim to know more about Britney Spears, chemicals, road construction, plumbing or geology than someone else. And you will be as right about that as you are in your self-aggrandizing about those other subjects. I think I'll just save this URL for the occassion. Now, back to the subject that you were so eager to derail...
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Iran's leadership. Cunning. If you believe they are working toward nuclear arms (you do, don't you?), then it is obvious that they are succeeding. Has anyone so far been able to stop them? No, so, they are succeeding, which required cunning. Furthermore, they now have their implacable enemy Saddam laid low, and are watching their fellow shiites take over Iraq and stymie the 'Great Satan' USA.
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Well I know more about the various philosophies involved in WW II than you do, if that's what you mean.
There, there, ScottSA. Of course you do. And you know more about plumbing than I do, and more about fishing, and more about Marx, and more about road construction, and more about publishing, and more about geology, and more about Britney Spears, and more about the Manitoba Liquor Control Commission, and more about Thai food, and more about chemicals, and more about all sorts of things you imagine you are brilliant at. There is, in truth, no field in which you are not a genius and an expert. If only you were less selfish, you would have saved the world by now. Oh well.
Peace in Occupied Palestine
in The Rest of the World
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You seem to be incompletely informed about the terms and conditions applicable to Palestine in the final rounds of negotiation. The restrictions, losses, and controls proposed went far beyond a cap on military size.
I also wonder what your answer to the OP would be.