Leafless
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Bullshit.
It is difficult to take you seriously using language like that.
It is also evident you support fascism, or better still Nazism.
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The Official Languages Act did no such thing. It stipulated that all federal department headquarters were to offer services in both official languages and the percentage of either language used in branch offices was to reflect how language was used by the local population.
It is much more than that: Pay special attention to (
.The purpose of the Official Languages Act:
(a) -ensure respect for English and French as the official languages of Canada and ensure equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all federal institutions, in particular with respect to their use in parliamentary proceedings, in legislative and other instruments, in the administration of justice, in communicating with or providing services to the public and in carrying out the work of federal institutions;
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-support the development of English and French linguistic minority communities and generally advance the equality of status and use of the English and French languages within Canadian society; ©-set out the powers, duties and functions of federal institutions with respect to the official languages of Canada.
(snip)-Responsibility for delivering services in both official languages falls to the federal institutions and NOT to Canadians requesting services.
(snip)-The federal institutions covered by the OLA are responsible for its implementation. The commissioner of Official Languages is responsible for ensuring compliance with the OLA within these institutions, safeguarding Canadians’ linguistic rights, and promoting linguistic duality and the equality of English and French within Canadian society. The commissioner is empowered to hear complaints, conduct inquiries and intervene in the courts and he or she tables an annual report to Parliament on the activities carried out by the Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages.
(snip)-The minister of Canadian Heritage and the president of the Treasury Board also have specific responsibilities with regard to official languages. The former coordinates the commitment to “enhancing the vitality of the English and French linguistic minority communities in Canada and supporting and assisting their development; and fostering the full recognition and use of both English and French in Canadian society."
(snip)-The Department of Justice is responsible for advising the government on legal issues relating to the status and use of official languages, preparing the government’s position in litigation concerning official language rights and, at the federal level, administering justice in both official languages.
(snip)-Approximately 200 departments, Crown corporations and other institutions must table an annual status report to the Treasury Board Secretariat on the implementation of objectives relating to Parts IV, V and VI of the OLA. The Treasury Board Secretariat is responsible for monitoring and auditing the federal institutions for which it receives an annual status report.
Where does it end?
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/prb0423-e.htm
This doesn't infringe on the rights of any English-speaking Canadian; if they desire a job in the service area of a federal department and the position requires knowledge of both official languages, they can learn French the same way the French-speaking Canadains employed there learned English.
Francophones were never forced to learn the English language via government language policies. Francophones learned English to gain access to the English job market especially in the province of Ontario. That is why there are so many bilingual francophones as in comparison to English speaking Canadians. And this is why the OLA is so corrupt.
And speaking of bilingual Canadians in a democratic society, since when do 17% bilingual Canadians, (percentage of bilingual Canadians in Canada) mostly Quebecers who control or are responsible for the formation and direction of a bilingual federal government when the opinions or demands of the other 83% of unilingual Canadians, relating to bilingualism are ignored.
Canada is not much of a democracy and resembles a totalitarian state, as the people do not seem to politically count.
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as long as it was English, right?
There are many languages spoken in Canada but the English language is the primary language of buisness and communication in Canada.
Except laws and regulations banning French or First Nation languages from schools, to name one example. You applauded them, remember?
Language is the reponsibility of provinces in Canada and should be and which I may add, without federal interference.
The propagation of the English language in Canada is simply nation building. It seems you are against unity and approve of troublesome segregated, fractionated linguistic cultural societies.
That Canadians be able to decide what Canadian language they are educated in, and communicate with their government in. Something neither the PQ or you wany.
Other than the English and French languages, all other languages are officially ignored. I don,t approve of this. It is either a single official majority language or have all languages officially represented, rather than be discriminated against. Don't you agree with this?
Actually, some have. You yourself have demanded that English be made "the sole official language.
Absolutely. Why should English speaking provinces be denied the linguistic right of not making themselves officially English and not be forced by federal linguistic interference to cater to minority French concerns? Quebec is provincially officially French and ignores the realities of the majority English language in Canada/Quebec and get away with it.
The difference being simply that other Canadians can now choose another Canadian language. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Certainly, and that difference is simply made possible by racist language laws.
BTW, there are still more English-speaking Canadians than French-speaking Canadians in this country, but then maths (like logic) has never been a strong suit of yours.
Numbers mean nothing when you have racist language laws working in the favour of francophones.
Correction... The only english-speakers in this country whose rights are being violated are those in Quebec,
Says who....you? Dreaming in colour again CANADIEN.
thorugh the same kind of òne-language only accepoted`policies you have saoid you want for Ontario.
And why do you find this so strange? Quebec started it and benefited from it and get away with it. Why shouldn't all other provinces have the same benfits?
Not surprinzingly, you have not demonstrated that anyone's right is violated by federal language legislation. For a simply reason - none are violated.
I have demostrated many times throughout this thread the existence of Quebec provincial and federal language discrimination.
You just refuse to comprehend and are miffed because the French language does not have the same all around importance as the English language in Canada.
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Feel free to indicate whose rights have been violated by the federal Official Languages Act.
Firstly, prior to the implementation of the federal OLA all Canadians had the same rights pertaining to language. There were no laws relating to language in Canadian society. Some Canadians had to learn the majority English language in order to become functional in Canadian society. What else would one expect in a free democratic society. Outside of some federal entities there was nothing within the BNA Act that stipulated that English and French languages, or any other languages are to be used throughout Canadian society.
English speaking Canadians never demanded that the English language in Canada be officialized. The English language was and still is the language of choice that serves the large majority of Canadian citizens despite the federal 'official status' which does little to propagate the English language throughout Quebec.
What the federal liberal government OLA accomplished, was that it created an elite minority group (French Canadians) transforming them into a majority group.
Now at that time, the federal liberal logic was French majority + English majority = equality. This is outright discrimination and is laughable if it was not so serious. There are many other groups in Canadian society that would certainly enjoy the same linguistic advantage as francophones.
The high cost associated with the maintenance and protection of any language makes 'language' a national issue that should be decided by Canadians (referendum) and not by governments. Up to now some estimates range around the 1-trillion dollar figure to support federal and associated cost of the OLA and associated official bilingualism in Canada.
It is English speaking Canadians that had their rights violated (freedom of expression) with the implementation of the Official Languages Act/Official bilingualism, reducing them to second class Canadians in order to gain employment in the federal public service, provincial government, municpal government and spilling over into private industry.
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Interesting that for his efforts to "appease Quebec" Trudeau is still viewed today by the separatists as the greatest ennemy their cause ever had. Even the naming of an airport after him was seens as an insult to Quebec.
What Quebec wants is nothing short of being a official independent French nation-state in North America, otherwise known as a country.
To bad the federal government does not have the fortitude to tell them once and for all.....
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Firstly, the laws were voted on by democratically elected representatives in parliament. So, you can drop the "imposed" and "totalitarianism" bullshit.
ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES-bullshit! You are making it ABUNDANTLY clear democracy ends at the ballot box in Canada. We are no better off in Canada politically than the people in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan they have to contend with the Taliban. In Canada we have to contend with the political disruptive antics of Quebec and a federal government that caters to Quebecs extreme forever ongoing cultural fantasies at the expense of the English speaking majority of Canada.
Firstly- the language laws were imposed, as no one should have the right in a free and democratic society to implement laws of this nature without a national referendum. These language laws were well thought out by Trudeau who very well knew what the end result would be.
Secondly-Those language laws laws were NOT implemented all at the same time and no one at that time had any idea what the end result would be at a later date, outside of Trudeau that is.
Secondly, English Canadians are not a race. You can quit twisting the word "race", as well.
I gave you the definition of race and you continue to deny it. What are you a freaking dummy?
No, what you mean is: you don't want to get into specific clauses. Why? Because you know there's nothing in any of the laws you call "Nazi-type" to justify your hyperbolic frothing about them being akin to what came out of the Office of the Führer und Reichskanzler.
There is nothing to get into.
Official Languages and Official Bilingualism ARE of the 'JUST SOCIETY' type, SOCIALIATIC LANGUGE LAWS that have been also CONSTITUTIONALIZED again WITHOUT the consent of Canadians by way of a national referendum.
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Not bloody likely...
Then it is clear you supported a traitorous government.
I just don't buy your paranoid,and quite idiotic,theory that Pierre Trudeau was some Leftist dictator in waiting....
Then I will make it simple for you.
Trudeau was a traitor who worked for the province of Quebec, unless of course you can prove otherwise.
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The use of the term "Nazi" always sidetracks and cheapens discussions. It's Godwin's law (link) at work. Generally I confine the use of the term "Nazi" to such policies as Einsatzgruppen, gas chambers, and inevitably fatal "medical experiments".
Why don't you move out of the past. Ancient history is done and over.
Any reference I made To Nazi or Nazism is the dictionary definition and has nothing to do with genocide or your ancient history or Godwin's law.
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as everybody else on this thread, inlcuding people with no love lost for official bilingualism, has made abundently clear, you have no clue what the word Nazi really mean.
Word Web definition of Nazi:
"Relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology and practice of Nazism or the Nazis"
Nazism:
"A form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader"
Correction... you won't because you can't.
I did.
Actually, it is to YOU to prove your absurdist claims. I for one have been waiting for almost three years for what could amount to even a shadow of a proof.
You are blind to facts.
BTW, I thought you didn't care about culture.
I don't care about culture, but it seems the feds and people like you do care about the culture of a previous foreign enemy of Britain. So in turn I have to defend the rights of the majority culture of Canada that mostly all English speaking Canadians take for granted and normally could not even take the time to talk about it.
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And what about those is it, exactly, that leads you to call them "Nazi-type language policies"? Specific clauses from the law or official policy guidelines are what I'm looking for here.
I call them Nazi-type policies because the three Liberal imposed policies, Official Languages/Official Bilingualism/Official Multiculturalism mimic Nazi Germany's totalitarian principle of government relating to racial superiority and or authoritarianism.
I don't have to get into specific clauses since the three policies together could very well be considered a French conspiracy to advance the political fortunes of Quebec by utilizing culture to combat the natural majority English speaking language of Canada.
Unless you can prove otherwise, these policies could have been designed to reduce the importance of the majority English language/society/jobs, by greatly over emphasizing the importance of French culture, with language laws relating to the French language and by flooding the country with third world immigrants, thus further diluting the importance of the majority English language/customs and culture.
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Thank you for removing any illusion anyone may have had about the fact you are nothing more than a sad pathetic loser racist.
Which only proves how stupid you are in not knowing what a racist is.
So now Francophones are a majority in Quebec& About time you finally remember your math classes.
I will say it again.
In calculating racial majorities and minorities in Canada, your calculations must include races from the entire country.
You will find that Francophones are a sub-majority (minority) in Canada. Use another word to describe your friends in Quebec.
More seriously, your ideal majority rule, namely the majority treating the minority like second class less-than-citizens, would have gained you many white robe-clad friends in Mississippi 50 years ago. Unfortunately (for you), this is 2010.
Our political system to-day is based on minorities/majorities. Majority rule.
We all know you loathe and envy Quebec's language laws yet view them as a model as to how things should be. I view them as a model to be scrapped.
Then why to you put such emphasis on culture...CANADIEN?
If you seriously think that a Canadian who kows his identity and rights as a Canadian, namely me, is a traitor, why don't you phone the police right now to be arrested?
That is water under the bridge.
We all know what has politically transpired in this country, with federal politicians playing their personal little games while laughing in the face of English speaking Canadians. That is why you will not be arrested.
Or better still (from a comedic point of view, that is), come to my place and try to make a citizen arrest. Don't worry, I won't hurt you... I wouldn't want to contaminate myself.
See above!
We are in 2010 and my duties to my country, Canada, most definitely DO NOT include giving up my Canadian language, culture and identity. You don't like it? Then move back to Jurassic Park.
Strange, I see myself as Canadian but could not care less about my culture, language, identity since I see myself as being more American than anything else.
I think you are the one that should move back to France.
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I must admit that I am surprised. I had figured you out as a low-life, but gay? Nope. But don't worry, your crap is highly productive... it sure produce laughter.
You are the catalyst in my thread,
I am simply rebutting your never ending moronic extreme socialistic replies.
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All over your face buttercup. Your complexion will improve. Go to the nursing station , they'll tell you.
It is obvious the best part of you ran down your old man's leg, which accounts for you being such a low bred moron.
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Still waiting...
Again!
Wait no more.
Official Languages,Official Bilingualism, Official Multiculturalism.
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Imagine if you had been alive when the federal Government created residential schools...
Someone has to teach savages the English language and a little math so they can compete for jobs like other educated Canadians.
Or when provincial governments where virtually banning the French language from schools and public institutions.
Majority rule was the thing in those days and should still be the thing to-day, like in Quebec.
The good you could have done by making them understand that this kind of LANGUAGE POLICIES was not needed.
It works in Quebec so why should other English speaking provinces be denied the same opportunity.
Makes me wonder what would have happened to those who didn't "freely" comply...
They found a Quebecer who used to drive his motorcycle throughout the Quebec countryside dressed in Nazi garb named Trudeau who fixed that up.
After all, French-speaking Canadians did not need to assimilate to be what they already were... Canadians.
Sure, traitors need not assimilate, right?
If I remember correctly the French lost the war on the Plains of Abraham and Quebecers therefore had a duty to contribute to Canada like any other Canadian utilizing the culture of the majority.
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Oh wait a minute...
You're serious!!
You gotta be a French!
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No shit Sherlock !
Bears crap in the woods too. News at 11.
The low life gay boy is back spewing another load of non-productive crap.
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What Nazi-type language policies?
The type of linguistic policies Trudeau imposed, which was a form of socialism featuring racism,imposing country wide cultural laws and obedience to a strong leader.
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Thanks for confirming once again that Quebec language policies would be just fine with you if it was English-speaking Canadians doing it to French-speaking Canadians.
Natural majority English speaking Canadians NEVER required any type of language policies prior to Trudeau's imposed totalitarian language policies and if not for Trudeau's draconian language policies would not require any to-day.
Most Canadians simply accepted the existing majority cultural situation and freely complied to assimilation.
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I'm still waiting for Leafless to explain why he thinks the fact that there are more English speakers than French speakers within the Canadian population, as a whole, is of some significance.
Explanation:
If it wasn't for Trudeau's Nazi type Language policies the natural English speaking majority would rule....just like they do in Quebec.
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Indeed, it is a pleasure to read yet another example of your uncanny capacity to make a fool of yourself.
Look in the mirror CANADIEN, look in the mirror.
Nope, what I have said is that thre is no example of the word submajority (regardless of how you spell it) being used or defined on the way you define it on the Web (outside of this thread, that is).
The spelling makes a difference. One is a prefix to a word the other is simply a word.
As for the existence or non-existance of official submajorities (no matter how you spell it), in the sense you invented for the word, feel free to show an official text where the word is used as an official designation for any group.
I already told you that it is a new word.
which is different from the meaning you invented for it in the Leafless language.
The definition I gave you is correct.
Since it has been proven, and admitted by you, that I am Canadian, not French,
Franco-Ontarian= French
I must assume that the person you are directing this little (and quite frankly hilarious gem) is, like about all your claims, a product of your imagination.
"Hilarious gem"---- sounds kind of frogish to me.
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Care to translate that into ENGLISH?
You already did and without using the word 'majority'.
Oh surprise, you missed an opportunity to learn something. Actually, a simple google search would have indicated that there is nothing ressembling the definition you give of sub-majority on the Web.
Then you must realize I created a new word for your reading pleasure.
Here we go anyways... In the paper I gave a link to, "Submajority Rules: Forcing Accountability upon Majorities" (Journal of Political philosophy, 2005), Professor Adrien Vermeule (Law Professor, Harvard Univeristy) describes submajority rule (that's the term he uses) as being
Examples Prof. Vermeule uses refer to legislative and judicial boies, not election or referendums, in case you wonder. And you may want to read the stuff before you misuse the term further.
I am not misusing the word submajority, you are. The word I use is sub-majority. And besides that you have previously claimed, using a simple google search, that there is no official 'submajority'.
That definition comes from the Leaflish language. sorry, I speak only English and French.
The word sub-majority is an English word and has meaning and it is clear you do not understand the use of a prefix.
The only people who think the FACT that a majority of people in some parts of Canada speak French is confusing are those who do not know Canada and you.
Sure!
And the only one on this website who thinks that fact is in and by itself a source of conflict is you.
Surely you cannot believe that a twerp French supremacist troll like yourself gains any level of respect from members of this site...that is of course excluding other French sympathizers who think like you.
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And everybody else's grasp of maths tells them that in any place there are more Francophones than Anglophones, there are more Francophones than Anglophones. Simple.
Yes it is simple when you use that type of terminolgy that avoids confusion and conflict as with the word majority.
Perhaps you should know what the term sub-majority means before misusing it. For your reading displeasure
Your link contains no information other than to download unspecified material which I do not do.
Feel free to post your official definition of the word sub-majority.
I am using the prefix (sub-) to modify the word majority to indicate that sub-majority means that this type of French majority is secondary in nature, in order to avoid confusion and conflict with the large English speaking majority of Canada.
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I have heard about them. what would be too bad if it wasn't so hilarious is that you have never heard of English-speaking minorities - which anybody with a CLUE knows exist - and that you have no graps of basic mathematical concepts.
My basic mathematical concepts tell me that English speaking Canadians are the large majority in Canada.
According to the 2006 census, English and French are the preferred language ("home language", or language spoken most often in the home) of 67.1% and 21.5% of Canadians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Canada
If you wish to continue using the word 'majority' as applicable to groups of Francophones in areas where they outnumber English speaking Canadians, you can at least use the proper terminology and use 'sub-majority'in reference to French speaking majorities.
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Yeah sure, maybe in Quebec that is.
The English language is the Lingua Franca of Canada and of the world.....get used to it.
What provincial rights are those?
It will be a long time if ever, I get used to Nazism and racist language policies.
English never infringed on the rights of Canadians to chose another language. That is if you are stupid enough to chose another language other than the English language.
If you think troublesome segregated, fractionated linguistic cultural societies are the right of Canadians, then I think Canada is headed for major problems, if we are not already there to a large extent.
Most immigrants come over to Canada to work and contribute to the Canadian way of life unlike the French who have been nothing more than a cancer on society.
And that is the official problem ....OFFICIAL STATUS dictated by mere politicians rather than decided by Canadian citizens themselves by referendum.
Because the federal government will not allow it. The federal government has been shackled by Trudeau's language policies since they were implemented and must uphold them ..for now that is.
But I predicate when the feds abolish costly transfer payments and the provinces will have to look after their own programs and policies, bilingualism will no longer exist and French will be contained only in Quebec.
And if that fails look at all the English kids in English speaking provinces in French immersion ....they will have the jump on anything coming out of unilingual Quebec. Think of all those federal jobs out of reach from unilingual Quebecers.
And only the stupid meaning you would not recognize a language policy as corrupt and discriminatory because your minority French and think that is perfectly acceptable.
A lot of this has already been covered in this thread and a reply would be quite lengthily. There are also other threads on the same subject.
Why don't you initiate a new topic on the subject.
It is not that I am envious but am angered and disappointed, as to why the federal government would allow Quebec to flaunt their own linguistic rules while disallowing English speaking provinces the same right.
You better see some one about your serious inferiority complex as it is apparent you cannot handle topics of this nature.